Told you also so (joking)

I'm guessing it's different now to how it was in the late 80's early 90's when I was watching, diesels where known as deceasels, and the Fact Controller was known as Fat Sir topin hat or something like that, lol.
 
I'm guessing it's different now to how it was in the late 80's early 90's when I was watching, diesels where known as deceasels, and the Fact Controller was known as Fat Sir topin hat or something like that, lol.
Diesels were called 'Diseasels' for one episode only, and The Fat Controller was still known as both The Fat Controller and Sir Topham Hatt. Now only the latter is used, thanks to a thing called 'political correctness'. What a shame. :(

For those wondering about the 'Thomas The Tank Engine had to shut the hell up...' article, here it is: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/22/thomas-the-tank-engine-children-parents

Kieran.
 
That woman is just unbelievable. I know this is not a place for politics but some of her criticisms are absolutely ridiculous to the point where the article reads more like satire than serious journalism. That point about Sodor being stuck in the "Colonial Era" is particularly amusing as the series is set long after most British colonies became independent, somewhere between 1960 and 1975 to be precise.
 
That woman is just unbelievable. I know this is not a place for politics but some of her criticisms are absolutely ridiculous to the point where the article reads more like satire than serious journalism.

This reminds me of my ex-sister-in-law (note ex as the prefix). She banned her children from watching Sponge Bob too because that wasn't healthy for them.

Give me a break here. Some people have absolutely no sense of humor or imagination, and always take things literally.

John
 
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Have you seen Anime? some shops here put that in the Children's section when it has cursing, nude, sexual references, or even sex scenes, lol
They see it as a Cartoon and think it's for Kids.
 
Have you seen Anime? some shops here put that in the Children's section when it has cursing, nude, sexual references, or even sex scenes, lol
They see it as a Cartoon and think it's for Kids.

Even I'm offended by Anime, but things like Thomas and Sponge Bob, or Bugs Bunny cartoons? Yeah, the old Warner Brothers cartoons are considered "too violent".

John
 
Excuse me, can one of you fellas tell me where to find some "Anime"? Sounds interesting!

Cheers .. Rick ... just joking
 
Some people are crazy. What kills me the most is the racial part in where the steam engines puff out white smoke and the diesels puff out black smoke, and the steamers hate the diesels because of that and that it is somehow racist. Well if you know that their purpose was to replace you, wouldn't you hate them too? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out LOL! Some people really need to go find something better to then sit around and find issues with everything. I really think that some people don't have a brain at all. This woman is one of those people.
 
The Reverend Awdry must be spinning in his grave the way a simple tale has been turned on it's head these days. I miss the old cartoons myself, especially Yogi Bear.
 
I agree with her.

I'm like to know where the GLBT engine is. Perhaps it should be based on the gas turbine engine GT3 as its not diesel or steam but looks like a steam engine.

"Down with this kind of thing!" as Father Ted would say.

Regards.
CaptEngland (Non-ist, as I hate all the same). :eek:
 
I thought it was okay until they started using CGI, then it suddenly got cornier.

It got corny around Season 8 - long before they dabbled with CGI around Season 11 or 12!

By the way, judging by the road vehicles I'm lead to believe that The Island of Sodor is stuck in the 1950's, still after 'colonial times' though!

Kieran.
 
This is possibly just me but I think the person who wrote those to articles was probally insane. I have watched both the CGI and model TV shows and I have to say this, I do not find TTTE to have any racisim, sexism, and all the other things.
 
Annoying that the OP double posted on this forum for some reason. As I posted on the other thread:
'Thomas' is a story that was created in the 1940s/50s by an upper middle class Anglican vicar and embodied the attitudes to race, class, gender and sexuality of that era. It has become a multi-million pound/dollar business in the 21st century without really moving on in cultural and social terms from its roots. On one level that appeals to those of us who are nostalgic about the past ('the lost days of steam'). But I can understand how this may not appeal to a modern generation of parents concerned that their young children are being exposed to cultural and social standards that are 60 years out of date. That the outrage against this Guardian article is coming from entirely predictable reactionary media outlets like Fox rather makes the case.

For what it's worth, I loved Thomas as a kid, but, like a lot of 1940s and 50s children's stories, it's a bit outdated now. I'm not really familiar with the TV series (perhaps they've tried to adopt some more 'modern' elements like not talking about the 'fat controller') but I'm concerned about a storyline that involved James being mocked because he was painted pink. That kind of stuff can have an effect on young children.

Finally, as a person with Aspergers, I find this article by (UK) National Autistic Society extremely interesting in relation to Thomas: http://www.autism.org.uk/about-autism/our-publications/reports/our-policy-and-research-reports/children-with-autism-and-thomas-the-tank-engine.aspx

Paul
 
Just come across this excellent comment to the original Guardian article:
When I was a child, I had all 24 of the original books and I loved them desperately (and the beautiful, technically detailed paintings facing every printed page). However, I did later note that:
The Fat Controller, in his tailcoat, is a caricature of the Victorian capitalist.
The locomotives were all male.
The carriages that they pull around are female (Annie and Clarabel), and they are submissive and girly.
There is a female diesel railcar in one story (I forget her name) and she stops in her tracks because she is afraid of a cow. She is eventually towed away as a result.
The goods wagons (our only contact with industrial labour apart from the paternal and benevolent engine drivers and guards) are dirty, ugly, disobedient and like to create trouble for its own sake.
In one story, Henry and Gordon (and maybe James) go on strike and refuse to pull any trains. Edward, however, continues to pull his trains normally. In the shed at night, the striking engines conduct a whispering campaign against him and call him a "blackwheel". Edwards tells the Fat Controller about this, and the Fat Controller tells him to carry on working and not take any notice. Eventually, the strike collapses and the other engines resume work. As a reward, the Fat Controller gives Edward a fresh coat of paint and a branch line of his own.
Finally, there is a story where some schoolboys throw stones at Henry from a bridge. To get revenge, the next time they are there Henry's driver teaches Henry to blow a cloud of filthy ash and cinders at them. And (said my edition, printed in the late 1960s, and amended in biro by mother), "the boys ran away black as n#####s."
That's quite a lot of subtext (and in the case of the n-word, its not even sub-text, it's right there in print).
Still, I guess none of this can have done me any lasting damage. After all I grew up a good bleeding-heart leftie ....

Even when I was 5 I was on the side of those dirty working class wagons! And the striking engines!

Paul
 
...still after 'colonial times' though!


Actually not - most African and Asian colonies were not liberated until the 1960s and the 1950s featured the infamous 'Suez crisis' when Britain and France invaded Egypt to 'secure' the Suez canal after inciting Israel to invade to create the 'crisis' to justify their invasion (sound familiar?) Not to mention the UK fighting colonial wars in Malaysia and Kenya and other places that led to thousands of civilian casualties and widespread instances of torture and crimes against humanity. So not really 'after colonial times' at all! Which may explain some of the social undertones in the Thomas books....

Paul
 
"liberated", eh? I would argue that the Suez crisis was justifiable in that it was (and still is) a major international shipping lane and leaving it to the mercy of an unstable, Soviet-aligned Egyptian government was not on. With all the trouble in the region lately it's a pity that the operation was not successful. As for Africa, it was a much safer place then than it is now, the British colonial government may not have been perfect but the threat of annihilation by Imperial forces at least kept local warlords/factions/communists in check. Back on the railway side of things, the British also constructed the engineering marvel that is the East African Railway, famed for it's gigantic Beyer Garratts. One for T:ANE, I wonder...
This thread won't last long I feel with all this political debate. Ooh, isn't it exciting...
 
Actually not - most African and Asian colonies were not liberated until the 1960s and the 1950s featured the infamous 'Suez crisis' when Britain and France invaded Egypt to 'secure' the Suez canal after inciting Israel to invade to create the 'crisis' to justify their invasion (sound familiar?) Not to mention the UK fighting colonial wars in Malaysia and Kenya and other places that led to thousands of civilian casualties and widespread instances of torture and crimes against humanity. So not really 'after colonial times' at all! Which may explain some of the social undertones in the Thomas books....

Paul
Oh, alright. Thankyou for the correction, Paul.

Kieran.
 
Given the historic overtones of the stories, this is typical of the smarty-pants, know-it-all psychology major, broads who make blanket statements without looking at the whole picture. Where was her so-called critical thinking that she is supposed to be using? Instead these statements do more damage than good and again actually create a more uneducated society.

I have some choice words for broads like this, however, I would be absolutely banned permanently from these forums if I were to post them!

John
 
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