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KotangaGirl
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Thanks very much. Steve's lovely late 19th century engines have been a real boost for me with wanting to press ahead with Minehead and my 1890s version of the West Somerset branch. The project has been stuck in the doldrums for far too long and it's well time that I got back to it. I have heard from Steve about which GWR engine will be next on his virtual workbench and it's going to be perfect for pre-grouping London. No spoilers though. - sworn to secrecy and all that.
Your New Cross Gates screenshots are looking very good Tanker, - and trams! Really lovely to see those.
#6163. Thanks very much Ken. Minehead and the West Somerset branch 1880-1890 has been a long term project that I've been a bit on again off again about lately due to various issues, but I want to stop messing around and get back to it since it's been a long time love of mine ever since I purchased a copy of TS2009 WBE so long ago now.
And I'm really liking what you're doing with making the GCR live again, - more power to your elbow!
Thanks Annie! I really was surprised to discover that the tramcars of South London were still around in the 1950s, but once I knew they were I had very little choice but to add them. The tramways were ingrained in the streets like veins in the body so releasing South London without them wasn't really an option. I'll most likely be doing the entire tram network of South London and possibly a bit into West London. Given how Paddington Station found its way onto the DEM (Happy Accidents) I just might bring the tramline all the way up there. I'm also thinking of implementing invisible tracks on the road to allow people to operate driving enabled vehicles like Buses or Taxis just so people can get the full London Experience. There's a lot of options here and I'll change things accordingly as people tinker with it once it gets it's alpha release.
I've been talking with Barney and I very well may make a superdetailed version of the South London portion of the route in the future. The route is still missing Feltham, Reading, and half of Hither Green so I'll have to wait until Frank and I can get those added to the DEM before I pursue that. The London Wharfs had a very quirky 2ft Narrow Gauge Network that would make for a very interesting thing to tinker with. Maybe some boat or canal routes as well? I'm not sure yet. It could turn into a Dearnby and District like project if I keep pushing forward like this :hehe:
Hearing you say that makes me very, very, VERY happy Ken! I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out how I wanted to set up the overheads and you just saved me quite the headache. I don't do well with catenary systems at all. A Conduit System actually makes a lot more sense when you think about it and explains how the trams had such longevity in the crowded and ever-changing streets of London. Now I just have to worry about getting the proper tramway shed buildings made. Thank goodness for Andi06's Tram assets still holding up after all these years.
amigacooke
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My mother told me how the trams used to switch systems in 'The Dip' in Streatham. It seems the LCC went for the third rail system while Croydon (and maybe other) went for an overhead system. It's never simple is it?
Last London trams ran in 1952.
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Re post #6165 Tanker46
Hello Tanker, here's one I did in TANE a couple of years ago.
I used SAM SRS 1 Road + Sidewalk 23 <kuid2:132952:131385:11> to represent the road surface. Comes with the pavement as well.
As amigacooke mentions "It's never simple" there is the Trolleybus system as well, now that did need the overhead.
http://mappinglondon.co.uk/2018/trolleybus-tram-routes-1947/
Cheers, Ken
Hello Tanker, here's one I did in TANE a couple of years ago.
I used SAM SRS 1 Road + Sidewalk 23 <kuid2:132952:131385:11> to represent the road surface. Comes with the pavement as well.
As amigacooke mentions "It's never simple" there is the Trolleybus system as well, now that did need the overhead.
http://mappinglondon.co.uk/2018/trolleybus-tram-routes-1947/
Cheers, Ken
KotangaGirl
Pre-Grouping Railways Nut
For your delight and enjoyment Tanker have a look at <kuid:184001:100146> London Suburbia Transport by blackfingers. Trainz build 3.8, seen here running in TANE SP4. I didn't have much trouble finding all the dependencies and apart from some trees that had tried to go walkabout it's a beautifully put together piece of suburban layout building. A great place to visit for the joy of running around the streets.
KotangaGirl
Pre-Grouping Railways Nut
Our posts must have just crossed Ken. I remember your lovely tramway in TANE and it's nice to see it again.
My mother told me how the trams used to switch systems in 'The Dip' in Streatham. It seems the LCC went for the third rail system while Croydon (and maybe other) went for an overhead system. It's never simple is it?
Last London trams ran in 1952.
If they ran in the 50s then unfortunately they fall into the scope of the route Amiga. :hehe: You are absolutely right - it's never simple.
Initially, I was utilizing the late Euromodeller's road assets to serve as the primary asset set for all road travel on the route. However, as I worked my way towards London, I noticed that those assets were becoming more and more inflexible in terms of what I needed to create an accurate route the way I wanted. To that end, I switched over to Domsarto's Roadway Library as my go to primary. While certainly older than most of the equipment I currently possess, these assets hold up incredibly well and pair nicely with the buildings Paul has been making for me.
The only issue is the way the roads are layered makes it difficult to place Tramway Lines properly upon them. I'm starting to get the hang of it but it's been a VERY wide learning curve. Places like Forest Hill and Brockley are definitely the most difficult as the require sharp dips under bridges and immediate climbs making it difficult to clear low areas effectively without scaring the landscape. However I plan on eventually rigging everything up so Trams can have their own sessions as well.
This "Streatham Dip" has me curious though.. Was it near Streatham Hill or Streatham Common?
I always thought the Conduit system was very intresting modeled on Andi's trams, for those who don't know the pole was dropped as a person by the tracks sent a skid under the tram that was spit out at the other end and pole re-raised to get power back from the overhead
KotangaGirl
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#6170. A big tank engine working a a heavy suburban service under a threatening sky. A beautifully posed screenshot Ken.
KotangaGirl
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#6174. Some great screenshots there nobody. Somehow I missed seeing them before.
#6175. Speedy cement on it's way.
After leaving it to gather dust for too long I'm going to start work on 'Penzance to Camborne' again.
Armstrong Goods leaving Ponsandane and heading for Gwinear Road sidings. Still a lot to do, - I guess I'm about halfway there.
#6175. Speedy cement on it's way.
After leaving it to gather dust for too long I'm going to start work on 'Penzance to Camborne' again.
Armstrong Goods leaving Ponsandane and heading for Gwinear Road sidings. Still a lot to do, - I guess I'm about halfway there.
KotangaGirl
Pre-Grouping Railways Nut
Thank you kindly nobody. Pre-grouping and 19th century GWR are very much my kind of thing, - though I am keen on the GER as well. My Minehead branch layout is very much 19th century whereas 'Penzance to Camborne' is set in the 1930s. No doubt as I get back to working on my GWR projects you'll see some more hopefully interesting screenshots from me.
Gwinear Road.
Thank you kindly nobody. Pre-grouping and 19th century GWR are very much my kind of thing, - though I am keen on the GER as well. My Minehead branch layout is very much 19th century whereas 'Penzance to Camborne' is set in the 1930s. No doubt as I get back to working on my GWR projects you'll see some more hopefully interesting screenshots from me.
Gwinear Road.
Amazing screenshots of Minehead Annie!
And don't be so modest, everybody knows you're the board expert of the Great Eastern Railway! :hehe: Nobody does GER like you do!
Cheers, Ken
Excellent Cement Train Ken! Although something about that K3's Tender raises and eyebrow....
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More work on New Cross Gate and it's surrounding areas.
March 28th, 1951 - Ex-SECR H Class No. 31551 heads a three car consist of Non-Descript Saloons on a Railtour to Deptford Wharf.
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Starting in the 1950s, the Souther Region began upping the frequency of Steam Hauled Railtours in preparation for the Modernization Plan. In South London these Railtours would go to places that were not normally traveled by passenger trains - Deptford Wharf being one of them.
Despite being an Ex-LBSCR port, most of the Railltours to Deptford were hauled exclusively by H Class tank engines. Luckily, the locomotive from Nine Elms that hauled the 1951 Tour has been modeled by the famous Paulhobbs. The last tour to Deptford Wharf was also on March 28th 1958 headed by H Class No. 31518 on loan from Gillingham. Ex-GER J68 Buckjumper was also employed to top and tail the train with 31518.
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The Wharves in London (Particularly Deptford) are extremely interesting to me and I am looking forward to modeling them when I figure out how to set up dockyards properly.
March 28th, 1951 - Ex-SECR H Class No. 31551 heads a three car consist of Non-Descript Saloons on a Railtour to Deptford Wharf.
Starting in the 1950s, the Souther Region began upping the frequency of Steam Hauled Railtours in preparation for the Modernization Plan. In South London these Railtours would go to places that were not normally traveled by passenger trains - Deptford Wharf being one of them.
Despite being an Ex-LBSCR port, most of the Railltours to Deptford were hauled exclusively by H Class tank engines. Luckily, the locomotive from Nine Elms that hauled the 1951 Tour has been modeled by the famous Paulhobbs. The last tour to Deptford Wharf was also on March 28th 1958 headed by H Class No. 31518 on loan from Gillingham. Ex-GER J68 Buckjumper was also employed to top and tail the train with 31518.
The Wharves in London (Particularly Deptford) are extremely interesting to me and I am looking forward to modeling them when I figure out how to set up dockyards properly.
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KotangaGirl
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#6180. Tanker, my latest screenshots are from my 'Penzance to Camborne 1930s' route, but thanks for your nice comments all the same.
The ex-SECR H Class has been a favourite of mine right from the early days of Trainz and it's nice to see Paul Hobbs's model featuring in your screenshots.
Modelling London's wharves would be an entire project all by themselves so I'll be looking forward to seeing how you get on with that.
The ex-SECR H Class has been a favourite of mine right from the early days of Trainz and it's nice to see Paul Hobbs's model featuring in your screenshots.
Modelling London's wharves would be an entire project all by themselves so I'll be looking forward to seeing how you get on with that.
KotangaGirl
Pre-Grouping Railways Nut
I needed a bit of a cheer up so I decided I'd play some buffer clanging music in the goods yard at Milbourne James. Decapod.'s E2 does very nicely as a shunting engine even if it's a bit out of place in former LSWR territory.
