TS10 Installed Trainz on more modern computer: ALL the track is missing/ faulty items

[Red_Rattler]

NOTE: Not well enough to search at the moment

We had to install Trainz on a more up to date computer, but ALL the track is missing (that's built-in track). It shows the white dashed lines for the track. This is a fresh install, or in other words, NO other items added to the Trainz install.

But what I am also concerned about as well, is that many, many, many items are shown in the red text meaning faulty.

The main specifications are Windows 7, i72600, 8GB, 1GB Graphics Memory, ATI HD6570 Graphics.

We were told it was dedicated graphics, but we now have doubts if it is or not.

PS-1: Do those specs sound above the recommended specs for TS12 (We based on TS12, even though our highest is TS10)?
PS-2: MSTS (which I think is slightly older) works fine on it.

 

[whitepass]

Do a full data base rebuild in CM.

 

[Red_Rattler]

Okay thanks
But before we do that, are the specs okay, especially in relation to the two graphics specs.
How long (on average) should we give it, and doesn't a repair delete stuff?

And why should you have do a repair on a fresh install of Trainz?

 

[RRSignal]

It's a pretty low-end card, but you still should be able to consistently get 30 fps on most routes.

And, yes, it's quite common to have to do an EDR on a fresh install. You might even want to do the validation procedure that Zec Murphy talks about in the TS2010 forum on assets incorrectly marked as faulty.

 

[Red_Rattler]

It's a pretty low-end card, but you still should be able to consistently get 30 fps on most routes.

Low end card??? But we showed them the various simulators, and they said it was ABOVE the specs. Now we are angry - at the store.

Still loads quicker, and MSTS has got up to 60 on default routes.

Had another look, and found that all the track - except N3V's default "track" was missing.

For some reason it didn't do a full install. Haven't had a chance yet to check the non track items

But probably off-topic, how come you can save a session on the UK ECML in a computer with lower specs, but it only attempted to on a computer with higher specs?

But we did not something last night, it gave a warning of an "old driver" because it was 15 months old - but the computer is not meant to be that old?

 

[RRSignal]

Low end card??? But we showed them the various simulators, and they said it was ABOVE the specs. Now we are angry - at the store.

Still loads quicker, and MSTS has got up to 60 on default routes.

Had another look, and found that all the track - except N3V's default "track" was missing.

For some reason it didn't do a full install. Haven't had a chance yet to check the non track items

But probably off-topic, how come you can save a session on the UK ECML in a computer with lower specs, but it only attempted to on a computer with higher specs?

But we did not something last night, it gave a warning of an "old driver" because it was 15 months old - but the computer is not meant to be that old?

Well, don't be mad about it. It's low-end, but that doesn't mean awful. It's close to the nVidia GT240, which is pretty old, but served me very well until I bought a new gaming computer last month. That card was pretty well-matched to my CPU on the old machine. I probably could have notched up to a GTX250 for an ideal balance, though the power supply couldn't handle it.

Remember that Trainz is especially CPU-dependent, so you'll see diminishing returns as you move up the ladder on GPUs.

It's conceivable that your card shipped with old drivers. I see the release date of April of last year. My rule of thumb is that if it ain't broke don't fix it. Remember that there are a lot of logistics that go into the production and sale of things like a card and that they often don't ship with the latest drivers. CD discs are pressed in batches - my guess in the case of videocards is in multiples 10,000 or so, since larger batches are much cheaper. Unfortunately, that means customers may get oldish drivers. Again, if they work properly and perform pretty well, it's probably more hassle than it's worth to upgrade them. If you do, however, I recommend doing a Windows System Restore checkpoint before installing the new drivers and restoring the system to the old state if needed.

Sorry, I can't answer the issue with the ECML as I've never had a problem with it. If it's the same funky installation as the new install, I'd suggest being absolutely sure the program is being run as administrator and being sure the database is in good repair. I do know that Trainz can get a little strange when you don't install and/or run as administrator.

 

[clam1952]

Just in case as you haven't posted what OS you are using, if you already know all this just ignore me.
If this is a new PC and it's Win7 Home Premium, don't forget you need to install, patch and run as Administrator, this is in addition to whatever account you are using even Admin, otherwise things don't always work as expected, blame Microsoft for restricting the actual Admin account and putting write restrictions on the Program Files folder. see Shanes tutorial.
http://trainz.shaneturner.co.uk/tutorials/index.php?page=running-as-administrator

If not running Trainz as Administrator you can, not always though, get problems such as EDR's don't work as although appear to have finished it can't write to the Trainz folder or things won't save or take several goes.

You get less problems by not putting Trainz in any Microsoft created folder.

 

[Red_Rattler]

Just found out that when I patched it, it didn't do a full install of the patch either, without knowing it, it was the previous verison, BUT

now during EVERY attempt at patching, the patch stops about halfway through, and just remains there. Last attempt the progress bar remained at about half-way for over half an hour.

Any ideas please?

 

[shaneturner12]

That's normal. I've had it in that position for a few hours.

Whatever you do, do not cancel the process. It will finish when it is ready to. (The reason it pauses like that is due to the large size of the .ja files, which it is processing at that point)

Shane

 

[Red_Rattler]

It seem to patch okay, but now when I copy save a route (be it mine or not), I still get the missing track white dashes.

When you save a route as a CDP, do you have to do that to every item that the route contains, or would it automatically include the items included in the route?

I'm just wondering whether it might be easier just to copy the whole Auran folder over (or the "back up" I made of the Auran folder)

 

[clam1952]

It seem to patch okay, but now when I copy save a route (be it mine or not), I still get the missing track white dashes.

When you save a route as a CDP, do you have to do that to every item that the route contains, or would it automatically include the items included in the route?

I'm just wondering whether it might be easier just to copy the whole Auran folder over (or the "back up" I made of the Auran folder)

You need to make a cdp of any dependencies that are not on the DLS as well as the route, in fact unless you want to download a lot of stuff again make a cdp of all the dependencies, just don't overwrite any builtins when installing.

Don't copy anything into a new install, use the import content it safer and installs it properly, doing a copy will mean a full EDR will be needed, maybe a couple of times if you have a lot of content as 2010 doesn't seem to get it all first time!

This simplest unofficial method is to just copy the original install to the new PC and set up the shortcuts and file association or delete the new install and replace with the original, easier as you don't have to set up shortcuts and file associations as te registry entries are already in place and its patched up to date and contains everything you had to start with.

 

[Red_Rattler]

You need to make a cdp of any dependencies that are not on the DLS as well as the route, in fact unless you want to download a lot of stuff again make a cdp of all the dependencies, just don't overwrite any builtins when installing.

So you mean get the desired route, then use show all dependencies in the main list, then select all that are in the main list, and then save as a CDP?

This simplest unofficial method is to just copy the original install to the new PC and set up the shortcuts and file association or delete the new install and replace with the original, easier as you don't have to set up shortcuts and file associations as te registry entries are already in place and its patched up to date and contains everything you had to start with.

I just did a install direct from the Trainz DVD (or CD whatever it is). I put a copy of all the Auran folders to another drive. Are you saying to use that instead?

Edit: Forget, perhaps I should install PaintShed as well.
Edit: Now that is odd, I just checked the dependencies (is their another word to use for that?) and it says a few are on the download station, but I've already have those items.

 

[Red_Rattler]

So you mean get the desired route, then use show all dependencies in the main list, then select all that are in the main list, and then save as a CDP?

I did that just in case, and it comes up with "Failed to save CDP to disk."

 

[shaneturner12]

That sounds like a 'insufficient rights' issue to me. Make sure Trainz is running as administrator if using Vista or 7, or that it is not running from a Limited account if using XP.

Shane

 

[Red_Rattler]

It's XP, and what do you mean by a "limited account"? It's a full version of Trainz of TS2010, or so we thought.

 

[shaneturner12]

XP has two types of user accounts - computer administrator and limited.

Shane

 

[Red_Rattler]

Okay thanks (I think!)

Can you please show me how to correct it?

 

[Red_Rattler]

Well that's done - I thought new was meant to be faster than old!