I would like to talk... About obselete Trainz versions

[steve123]

Bring back Elvis please Auran,,,,,,he's passed so has 2004 deal with it ,you have had 6 years to update your computer ,you say just make the game better, Auran have what part of ts 2010 didn't you understand ,stop being so tight and upgrade your computer ,the world is not going to stop spinning and wait for you . For God sack suck it up

 

[gp792]

Well, I don't have all the money in the world to upgrade. Have you even considered that? I don't have $800 laying around to blow away to buy the proper computer to upgrade.

 

[JRT]

Well, I don't have all the money in the world to upgrade. Have you even considered that? I don't have $800 laying around to blow away to buy the proper computer to upgrade.

Then use the older versions and buy a FCT!

JRT

 

[sparky15]

Oh, please, please, please...... If you're going to drop support for older versions could you at least put something new and supported in those new releases? I'm tired of the same old content and lack of supposed gains caused by the lack of content built for it. All we need is some of that efficient content we keep hearing about. You raised the bar, how about you give us some.

I promise to download all those routes you put in the latest from the DLS. All I need now is the new and improved content to go with it. Maybe then I can get the whole Trainz experience. Or, I can just wait and hope all the creators do it for you after the fact.

Dave....

 

[steve123]

how long have you been using trainz 2004

 

[gp792]

For a year or more
EDIT: how can I download TRS2004 content after September if it's gone?

 

[MrScott2006]

In the case of some users, they have had free DLS access since TRS2004 came out, and may not have purchased any further copies of Trainz. That's near to 7 years of free access. However, the actual access is not free for us to provide. It does cost money to run a server, and provide access to the server. This is offset by First Class Ticket sales, however the more users who use the free service, the more FCT sales we will need to make to cover them, so as to off-set the cost of operating the DLS. Otherwise we would either have to close the DLS down (not preferred), or block free access for users who only have TRS2006 and older (remember, having a supported serial number means that you will still have access to the DLS).

The problem here is that some of those folks still using and creating in TRS2004/2006 are contributing content to the DL Station. In some cases, a lot of content! This is the same content that shows up in later Trainz versions. Now, these people are being shut out. Your shuting out many quality content creators buy doing this.

 

[steve123]

i need to know your computer specs are,tell me what hardware is in your computer

 

[JRT]

The problem here is that some of those folks still using and creating in TRS2004/2006 are contributing content to the DL Station. In some cases, a lot of content! This is the same content that shows up in later Trainz versions. Now, these people are being shut out. Your shuting out many quality content creators buy doing this.

They are making the same mistake as they made during the development of Fury. They think they can replace people; read here.

Cheers,
JRT

 

[gp792]

As per the Trainz Life Cycle Policy the end of support for TC1/2 is September 2011, and the end of support for TC3 is 2012.

But why are TC1/2 & 3 not for sale anymore? Also, I would be willing to upgrade to TS2010 if the price was lowered. Because $40-$50 is too much for me to spend on games.

 

[MrScott2006]

They are making the same mistake as they made during the development of Fury. They think they can replace people; read here.

Cheers,
JRT

Interesting reading.

I can sum this up in a few words...At one time this was all about trains! Now, It's all about the money!

 

[WindWalkr]

The problem here is that some of those folks still using and creating in TRS2004/2006 are contributing content to the DL Station. In some cases, a lot of content! This is the same content that shows up in later Trainz versions. Now, these people are being shut out. Your shuting out many quality content creators buy doing this.

We've been through this discussion before many times, but the short short version is- we don't really want any more of the old-version content. There's plenty of it around, and we're really glad that those creators have been willing to share throughout the years, but as a company we're moving on.

I don't mean that to sound harsh or ungrateful; it's just a reflection of reality- our customers don't want "old content" so the current benefit of "new old content" to the company is minimal. When something costs a lot and brings little, it's time to consider letting it go.

I'm not going to argue this one out again. You're welcome to have a different opinion, but that is the company line. If you want a detailed view then please go and read the many forum threads about this subject.

They are making the same mistake as they made during the development of Fury. They think they can replace people; read here.

Then after you're done, read the bottom of this post to get a bit of background.

But why are TC1/2 & 3 not for sale anymore?

Because they're obsolete and will be unsupported in a few years. If you're interested in the content from those versions, then you should take a look at the TS2009/TS2010 addon packs which include much of the same content.

Also, I would be willing to upgrade to TS2010 if the price was lowered. Because $40-$50 is too much for me to spend on games.

And I would be willing to buy a Ferrari if the price was right.

Some things we want just cost more than we are wiling to afford. That's life.

kind regards,

chris

 

[sparky15]

Hi All
In regards to helpdesk support, this has not been provided for TRS2004 since early 2008 ( see the announcement here ).

Having to provide support for TRS2006 and older is a huge task. That's 10 'base' editions of Trainz/paintshed (not including international), of which some are extremely old, and are not supported under current operating systems. Although this doesn't sound like much, having to remember all of the little 'tricks' for issues with each one is not easy. It's hard enough to remember TRS2006+, which is 5 'base' versions. Still a lot to try and remember. However, that is manageable.

In regards to the DLS. Please see my previous posts regarding this. One of the main issues is that, with the requirement to still support older editions, we cannot make any real changes to the DLS functions. As was seen after the server upgrades. At the time we upgraded the servers, we made some security upgrades. These upgrades, which were intended to make the servers more secure, blocked access to the DLS for older editions of Trainz. To fix it, we had to remove the security upgrade.

Would you feel safe if a server had to be held at a 7 year old security 'state' so as to allow older editions of Trainz to function?

As such, from the 1st of September, any changes to the DLS will not be tested with TRS2006 and older. You will need a FCT to continue accessing the server (or have a supported edition of Trainz registered). In the case of some users, they have had free DLS access since TRS2004 came out, and may not have purchased any further copies of Trainz. That's near to 7 years of free access. However, the actual access is not free for us to provide. It does cost money to run a server, and provide access to the server. This is offset by First Class Ticket sales, however the more users who use the free service, the more FCT sales we will need to make to cover them, so as to off-set the cost of operating the DLS. Otherwise we would either have to close the DLS down (not preferred), or block free access for users who only have TRS2006 and older (remember, having a supported serial number means that you will still have access to the DLS).

As such, we will ask that users with unsupported editions either have a FCT, or register a serial number for a 'supported' edition.

To re-cap. After September 1st, you will need to either have a registered serial number for TC1/2 or newer, or you will need an FCT, to access the DLS. We will also not be supporting the use of the internal download tools in unsupported editions from September 1st onwards. However, this does not mean we will block these editions immediately. It may be some time before they actually stop working (apart from the requirement for a newer serial number in your account, or a FCT).

You will still be able to use your edition of Trainz, for as long as you have a computer that can run it (you may find that older editions do not run under newer operating systems). You will just not be able to use the online functions in Trainz, or may need to use alternate methods to access these (such as the DLS).

How is server security different from a base 06 user or an 06 user with a FCT. Surely that same security has to exist either way. You admit to not supporting 04 for at least two years now. How does access translate to support? Are you going to change protocols that may exclude older versions from accessing the DLS but make acceptions for those same versions as long as a FCT is involved?

Dave......

 

[steve123]

what price would you think was ok for you,for 2010 trainz.
if i remember correctly trainz 2006 was over $60.00 and is really knowwhere near as good as trainz 2010, good but not as good,
so could you please tell us what it is you want for nothing

 

[sparky15]

We've been through this discussion before many times, but the short short version is- we don't really want any more of the old-version content. There's plenty of it around, and we're really glad that those creators have been willing to share throughout the years, but as a company we're moving on.

I don't mean that to sound harsh or ungrateful; it's just a reflection of reality- our customers don't want "old content" so the current benefit of "new old content" to the company is minimal. When something costs a lot and brings little, it's time to consider letting it go.

I'm not going to argue this one out again. You're welcome to have a different opinion, but that is the company line. If you want a detailed view then please go and read the many forum threads about this subject.

chris

Then, why don't you provide it for a change instead of relying on all those creators you don't need anymore to do it for you after the fact? If your customers don't want "old content", why do you keep stuffing it into your new releases. How much build number 2010 content was out there when you released TS2010? Yet you keep on throwing these releases out full of that old content while saying you or your customers don't want it. Which is it?

Dave.......

 

[ZecMurphy]

How is server security different from a base 06 user or an 06 user with a FCT. Surely that same security has to exist either way. You admit to not supporting 04 for at least two years now. How does access translate to support? Are you going to change protocols that may exclude older versions from accessing the DLS but make acceptions for those same versions as long as a FCT is involved?

Dave......

This has been gone over many times.

By having an FCT, you will have DLS access. From September 1st, we will also not be supporting the use of the internal download tools in unsupported editions. This means that, if a change that we make to the DLS blocks internal download tools in those versions, we will not be making any efforts to fix this for those editions.

As such, from September 1st, if this does happen, you will need to use an alternate download method. This means either using FTP downloads (using the 'FTP' links on the DLS website), or via a supported edition of Trainz.

 

[leeferr]

Then, why don't you provide it for a change instead of relying on all those creators you don't need anymore to do it for you after the fact? If your customers don't want "old content", why do you keep stuffing it into your new releases. How much build number 2010 content was out there when you released TS2010? Yet you keep on throwing these releases out full of that old content while saying you or your customers don't want it. Which is it?

Dave.......

You sure hit the head on the nail there. They don't want old content; however, some of my 2004 content is included in 2010 as built-in. If they don't want old content anymore, why make such widespread use of it. Has anyone checked lately on the availablilty of 2010 content on the DLS. Less than 300 pieces of content and 2010 has been out how long?

I think Chris stated the company line very clearly. They don't want my 'old content' (although most of it uploads into 2010 with no errors) and that's exactly what they're going to get, none of it.

Mike

 

[gp792]

You sure hit the head on the nail there. They don't want old content; however, some of my 2004 content is included in 2010 as built-in. If they don't want old content anymore, why make such widespread use of it. Has anyone checked lately on the availablilty of 2010 content on the DLS. Less than 300 pieces of content and 2010 has been out how long?

I think Chris stated the company line very clearly. They don't want my 'old content' (although most of it uploads into 2010 with no errors) and that's exactly what they're going to get, none of it.

Mike

I couldn't agree more leeferr, my SOU Green F7s are history because of this decision. They were due for release in September, but Auran doesn't want our old content anymore. But the old stuff was the fun stuff.

 

[steve123]

see now all this talk about old stuff makes me think that in order to get rid of the old there is something new coming ,i like a lot of older games by other companies but i don't, do not, never would, expect them years after to keep making patches for them just because i liked them,no no no if poeple cant understand the simple understanding to why it will not happen then shut this thread down for it is a foolish and selfish arguement.
update your computers you have had years to do that and buy 2010 trainz ,by the sounds of it you need 40cents to phone someone who cares,
i really dont mean to be harsh ,,,,,but come on

 

[sparky15]

Zec,
Sorry, but it hasn't been gone over correctly.

I can understand completely lack of CM? access. Are you saying that even though Content Manager doesn't work, FTP access will still be available to those with earlier versions?

Dave....