I would like to talk... About obselete Trainz versions

gp792

Butner Lines Railroad Co.
Dear Auran,
Please oh please don't discontinue TRS2004-TC3. These are my favorite games and I can't stand to see the same choice that Railworks choose. Keep them in production, or upgrade their graphics or make them in a bundle to attract more buyers. Just please consider my request as this is why I am into Trainz is because of TRS2004. I need support for it and I don't want to be cut off because I don't want to buy TRS2010 yet. I need time to prepare to upgrade. But just don't discontinue those games.
Thank you,
gp792
 
These are my favorite games and I can't stand to see the same choice that Railworks choose. Keep them in production, or upgrade their graphics or make them in a bundle to attract more buyers.

That's exactly what we've done. The current upgraded version is titled "TS2010".

kind regards,

chris
 
But it would be stable (It would be like TS2010 but less demanding on graphic though)
 
But it would be stable (It would be like TS2010 but less demanding on graphic though)

TS2010 isn't overly demanding on the whole. Yes, it's more demanding than TRS2004 when you take the new content into account. If you want improved visual quality and larger routes, it's going to require a faster computer.

kind regards,

chris
 
Dear Auran,
Please oh please don't discontinue TRS2004-TC3. These are my favorite games and I can't stand to see the same choice that Railworks choose. Keep them in production, or upgrade their graphics or make them in a bundle to attract more buyers. Just please consider my request as this is why I am into Trainz is because of TRS2004. I need support for it and I don't want to be cut off because I don't want to buy TRS2010 yet. I need time to prepare to upgrade. But just don't discontinue those games.
Thank you,
gp792

Not to be rude, but what exactly do you "need support" for? Auran hasn't released a service pack for 2004 in a very long time!

The only thing that you may lose when Auran ceases active support for TRS2004 is DLS access, and even that can be easily fixed by purchasing a First Class Ticket - as I understand it, anyway. Even without one, the program itself won't stop working and you can always download content from other third party sites if a FCT isn't an attractive option for you.

Personally, although I do intend to purchase TRS2010 at some point, I'm happily sticking with 2006 for the moment, and I'm not really sure what the big deal is about Auran's decision. It seems as though a lot of people are worried about nothing, but that's just me though.:)

Patrick
 
But if those games are discontinued, then they'll force everyone to upgrade.

I think that is what the idea is, besides you all ready have TS2009WBE so you don't have to worry about the change in support.

Cheers,
JRT
 
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I plan do download all the present DLS content that I can prior to Sept 1st...then I will have all that I ever need. And I can upgrade to 09/10 and run all my library of 06 content in native mode.
 
But if those games are discontinued, then they'll force everyone to upgrade.

How? Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You still haven't explained why this is such a big issue for you. What exactly is going to "force" you to upgrade to the newest version?

As I said before, I'm not trying to be rude here. I'm also sticking with an older version, so we're in the same boat. I just dont' see what the big deal is! My versions of Trainz 2004 & 2006 are certainly not being discontinued, nor do I feel that I am being forced to upgrade. That's just me, but maybe if you could be more specific about your concerns, they can be addressed.

Patrick
 
Are we really going to go through this debate again? As much as I don't like it, Auran (N3v) isn't going to change their mind.
Mike
 
Dear Auran,
Please oh please don't discontinue TRS2004-TC3. These are my favorite games and I can't stand to see the same choice that Railworks choose. Keep them in production, or upgrade their graphics or make them in a bundle to attract more buyers. Just please consider my request as this is why I am into Trainz is because of TRS2004. I need support for it and I don't want to be cut off because I don't want to buy TRS2010 yet. I need time to prepare to upgrade. But just don't discontinue those games.
Thank you,
gp792

TRS2004 will continue what it has done since its release, no more or no less. If you are happy with it continue to use it. If you want to use some of the new features then you should upgrade to TS2010. My experience has been that all my routes run better on TS2010 than they did on 2004. Yes there are some assets that don't work on 2010. Just replace them with ones that do.

I still have an old Toshiba laptop that is running Windows 95. It still does today what it did 15 years ago, but Toshiba and Microsoft have moved forward and I don't expect them to support my old laptop. Same with Trainz.
 
Oh boy...

Chris has made very valid points here, although I do not support Auran dropping all support on the older versions, it is absurd to 'keep them in production'. I believe Auran should continue to allow access to the DLS for member in older versions, keep Helpdesk support for all versions and accept creations from users of older versions.

As far as making older versions, that conversation was over before it started.


Cheers,
Woody
 
I think I understand what the OP is saying but alas you can't expect much support for a six year old product like this, especially almost half a dozen newer versions later. As people have said, feel free to continue using whatever old stuff you like but the manufacturer has to move on with the new stuff.

So long as the DLS support remains (and there's no reason why it wouldn't) then that's fine. MS supported old pre-360 games over Live for online play for five years after the 360 came out, which was good. EA, meanwhile, withdraw their servers for their games whenever the mood takes them (sometimes within a year) which is bad. And I think in this circumstance, Auran falls into the 'good' category.
 
Hi All
In regards to helpdesk support, this has not been provided for TRS2004 since early 2008 ( see the announcement here ).

Having to provide support for TRS2006 and older is a huge task. That's 10 'base' editions of Trainz/paintshed (not including international), of which some are extremely old, and are not supported under current operating systems. Although this doesn't sound like much, having to remember all of the little 'tricks' for issues with each one is not easy. It's hard enough to remember TRS2006+, which is 5 'base' versions. Still a lot to try and remember. However, that is manageable.

In regards to the DLS. Please see my previous posts regarding this. One of the main issues is that, with the requirement to still support older editions, we cannot make any real changes to the DLS functions. As was seen after the server upgrades. At the time we upgraded the servers, we made some security upgrades. These upgrades, which were intended to make the servers more secure, blocked access to the DLS for older editions of Trainz. To fix it, we had to remove the security upgrade.

Would you feel safe if a server had to be held at a 7 year old security 'state' so as to allow older editions of Trainz to function?

As such, from the 1st of September, any changes to the DLS will not be tested with TRS2006 and older. You will need a FCT to continue accessing the server (or have a supported edition of Trainz registered). In the case of some users, they have had free DLS access since TRS2004 came out, and may not have purchased any further copies of Trainz. That's near to 7 years of free access. However, the actual access is not free for us to provide. It does cost money to run a server, and provide access to the server. This is offset by First Class Ticket sales, however the more users who use the free service, the more FCT sales we will need to make to cover them, so as to off-set the cost of operating the DLS. Otherwise we would either have to close the DLS down (not preferred), or block free access for users who only have TRS2006 and older (remember, having a supported serial number means that you will still have access to the DLS).

As such, we will ask that users with unsupported editions either have a FCT, or register a serial number for a 'supported' edition.

To re-cap. After September 1st, you will need to either have a registered serial number for TC1/2 or newer, or you will need an FCT, to access the DLS. We will also not be supporting the use of the internal download tools in unsupported editions from September 1st onwards. However, this does not mean we will block these editions immediately. It may be some time before they actually stop working (apart from the requirement for a newer serial number in your account, or a FCT).

You will still be able to use your edition of Trainz, for as long as you have a computer that can run it (you may find that older editions do not run under newer operating systems). You will just not be able to use the online functions in Trainz, or may need to use alternate methods to access these (such as the DLS).
 
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