My main system specs:-
CPU Intel Core i7 10700F @ 2.90GHz
RAM 16GB
GPU 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
I have no problems such as stuttering running high density routes in TRS22PE
Trainz Update Announcement (SP6)
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CPU Intel Core i7 10700F @ 2.90GHz
RAM 16GB
GPU 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
I have no problems such as stuttering running high density routes in TRS22PE
Yes, that's the point. I'm really happy for those who is satisfied with the newest updates and I would like to be in your club, but many users, unfortunately, get rather bad experience. And many of us reported that.
So, currently, it seems N3V has even no intention to communicate anything about upcoming fixes (traditionally) to let all the users who bought the game to finally play. And that is concerning.
So, if somebody from beta testers or development team has any info on how it's going with upcoming fixes for TRS22 (I also have PE), it would be great to know when to expect them.
For now, it looks like N3V's business model is like breaking previous version of the game to make more users buy new TRS26. But does anyone guaranty that that new version is not worse then previous?
I don't blame them. It has always been they case that they are "damned if they release information about an upcoming update and they are damned if they don't". But that said it would be nice if they could give a "heads up" on what is happening but without the product details and definitely they should NOT make the mistake of giving a release date, no matter how vague - if they are a day late there are those who will scream "blue murder".
I have the beta version of Trainz Plus (build 134634) and it does have some nice features that are sadly lacking in the retail (subscription) version. I test it out on work I have developed in the non beta version.
A business model that is used by many in the software and other industries. Not a bad tactic.
Did you file a bug report or an helpdesk ticket? Creating a post in this forum is not reporting anything. N3V has made it very clear they do not monitor this forum as a normal part of their business activity.
If you are not filing bug reports then this is normal for them. They do not respond to random posts in this forum. I have in fact after filing a bug report been told that the bug is fixed and will be in the next release or that the team is working on the issue and it won't be in the next release. That is about as specific as they get. Of course, this process can be greatly sped up by supplying a repro case that shows how you can cause the bug to happen but most users don't want to do that.
BTW, I was a private beta tester for TS2009, TS10 and TS12. They never told us about new features until they appeared in a test build and we had all signed a NDA.
There is a performance hit with the current retail build and it's related to the new to the new tree engine. In addition to the new trees, which are flipboard objects, the game engine now converts all assets to billboards and flipboards including SpeedTrees. When there are a lot of objects, this can impact the performance as the assets are flattened out, figuratively speaking.
The developers have since worked on improving the performance and this is apparent in the current beta.
There are some system-level things you can do to improve your graphics performance and this definitely helps with TRS22/PE and PLUS. Go to your BIOS and make sure the Resizable Bar is enabled.
There used to be an option in the NVIDIA control panel to enable this, however, the option is now missing. To enable this you need to use the NVIDIA Profile Inspector.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=00eb...3dubG9hZC9udmlkaWEtaW5zcGVjdG9yLWRvd25sb2FkLw
After enabling the option here, I used the profile for Red Dead Redemption 2 because that seemed to work best for my RTX3080.
This resizable bar is also available for AMD systems but is called something else and does the same thing.
The developers have since worked on improving the performance and this is apparent in the current beta.
There are some system-level things you can do to improve your graphics performance and this definitely helps with TRS22/PE and PLUS. Go to your BIOS and make sure the Resizable Bar is enabled.
There used to be an option in the NVIDIA control panel to enable this, however, the option is now missing. To enable this you need to use the NVIDIA Profile Inspector.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=00eb...3dubG9hZC9udmlkaWEtaW5zcGVjdG9yLWRvd25sb2FkLw
After enabling the option here, I used the profile for Red Dead Redemption 2 because that seemed to work best for my RTX3080.
This resizable bar is also available for AMD systems but is called something else and does the same thing.
Of course. We had long chat under the ticket with performance statistic, video recording, system configurations, etc. I provided all possible information, shared DLS map where the issue is reproducible as well. Eventually, they just closed the incident and left a comment "passed to QA for investigation". So, I cannot even see the actual status, investigation results or any other updates on that...
That normally means that the devs believe that there is an issue but they can't reproduce so it gets passed to QA because they have a wider collection of hardware to test on. At least that is positive. But you aren't going to get feedback until QA has something to report. It is a slow process.
Yep. This issue has been mentioned by many a Trainz members on this forum. Thanks John for providing that summary and also the possible solution.
From AI:
Resizable BAR is a PCI Express interface technology that allows the CPU to access the GPU's entire video memory (VRAM) at once, rather than being limited to small 256 MB chunks. By enabling the CPU to efficiently map the full framebuffer, the technology facilitates concurrent data transfers of textures, shaders, and geometry, which reduces latency and eliminates bottlenecks in communication between the processor and graphics card.
When enabled in the NVIDIA Control Panel (indicated by "Resizable BAR: Yes" in System Information), this feature can improve gaming performance in supported titles, with benchmarks showing frame rate improvements of up to 10-15% in specific games. However, NVIDIA utilizes a whitelist system where the feature is only active for specific game profiles where performance gains have been verified, meaning it may be disabled by default for many applications unless manually forced via tools like NVIDIA Profile Inspector.
I have enabled the bar via Nvidia Profile Inspector.
I will investigate the performance improvements, if any. Thanks.
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The Profile Inspector has to be downloaded and installed (after running an AV scan of course) from the link given by @JCitron above.
In the Profile Inspector list of controls/settings it is in Section 5 under the somewhat obscure label of rBar - Enable. If the entry next to this label, in the second column, is showing Disabled then click on the Disabled entry, delete it and type Enabled. Then click the
Apply changes on the top right corner of the app window.I wish I had that option. That's an NVIDIA RTX4000 series option.
Yes, that's the profiler.
Is this what you are referring to JCtron?
I have a 2080ti Nvidia.
I don't think this works the same as it does with the 3080 series and up.
AI:
Currently, Smooth Motion is a beta-level feature available on RTX 40-series GPUs via GeForce 590.26 Preview Drivers (or newer), and its activation is done via the Smooth Motion - Enable flag in Nvidia Profile Inspector. There is no official documentation confirming the existence of a built-in "debug bar" visual aid for Smooth Motion in the standard NVIDIA software suite; any such visual is likely a custom overlay or a misinterpretation of the Flip Metering data.
Currently, Smooth Motion is a beta-level feature available on RTX 40-series GPUs via GeForce 590.26 Preview Drivers (or newer), and its activation is done via the Smooth Motion - Enable flag in Nvidia Profile Inspector. There is no official documentation confirming the existence of a built-in "debug bar" visual aid for Smooth Motion in the standard NVIDIA software suite; any such visual is likely a custom overlay or a misinterpretation of the Flip Metering data.
That would explain why it did not seem to have any effect on my RTX 30 series GPU. Thanks for the update.
Perhaps worthy of a separate thread, but I'm wondering what exactly contributes to performance? I'm fully aware of the need to watch out for polygons, lack of LOD, etc and I have deleted assets in the past that have certainly resulted in improvements, but I've just looked at a collection of fairground assets in a route of mine, which seem to be at the centre of a bit of a hotspot for poor performance.
6 of the assets are by austin316hockey. None have LOD. One, 'Skywheel', has, under preview Inspect mode, a Triangle Count of 4496 and Draw Call Count of 7. Change the preview mode to Performance Analysis and that Triangle Count becomes around 150,000,000 and Draw Call Count 230,000. It stutters on my screen.
So I then disabled this asset along with the other ones by austin316hockey. I rebooted and ran the same session again from the start.
Performance difference = zero. Not what I was expecting.
6 of the assets are by austin316hockey. None have LOD. One, 'Skywheel', has, under preview Inspect mode, a Triangle Count of 4496 and Draw Call Count of 7. Change the preview mode to Performance Analysis and that Triangle Count becomes around 150,000,000 and Draw Call Count 230,000. It stutters on my screen.
So I then disabled this asset along with the other ones by austin316hockey. I rebooted and ran the same session again from the start.
Performance difference = zero. Not what I was expecting.
It's the on the fly conversion of content to billboards and flipboards that causes the awful performance. There was a remarkable difference between how things were before the current versions when this was implemented. The good news is the latest beta performs better. You'd think that this should be done during the precaching process because static assets such as trees and buildings don't move around.
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Without wanting to sound as if I am mocking, the next update will be released when it is ready and, hopefully, not before it is ready. As I have noted in a previous post, even announcing a vague release date will generate angry posts if its release is even a day late.
I know that we were originally told that Trainz Plus would be getting quarterly updates with new features. This was a schedule that I thought, at the time, was probably too ambitious given the history of software projects. Since the last Trainz Update, according to the date of this thread, was August 2025, 8 months or 2.5 potential update releases ago, then one could conclude that perhaps they have encountered a major problem with a new feature (TLR or something else) and do not want to release an "update" that would generate howls of protest just to keep to an impossible schedule (remember the original release of T:ANE). That would be a wise decision, in my view.
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