Trainz Update Announcement (SP6)

[pware]

'Betas are not intended for users who want to do serious route building' is a confusing statement

Betas are always full of bugs and even CTDs - and that is true for all software, not just Trainz.

If you do some serious route building using a beta and encounter a bug or a CTD where your hard worked data cannot be recovered then you have wasted all that time and effort. I have certainly experienced that when I once decided to do some serious route building using a beta version and lost all the data. Fortunately it was for a new route that I had no intention of ever finishing - it was a test bed for the beta. I just thought it was strange that they recommend "no serious route building" with a beta when I thought that that would be the one sure method of discovering new bugs, which I did.

 

[JCitron]

Betas are always full of bugs and even CTDs - and that is true for all software, not just Trainz.

If you do some serious route building using a beta and encounter a bug or a CTD where your hard worked data cannot be recovered then you have wasted all that time and effort. I have certainly experienced that when I once decided to do some serious route building using a beta version and lost all the data. Fortunately it was for a new route that I had no intention of ever finishing - it was a test bed for the beta. I just thought it was strange that they recommend "no serious route building" with a beta when I thought that that would be the one sure method of discovering new bugs, which I did.

I agree! I have a duplicate of my Trainz data and database I use for testing. It takes me a day or two to get things settled down before I do any testing and as you've found out this is when we find the bugs. Testing using built-in assets doesn't always find anything.

 

[WestSideRailways]

I don't know why people using Trainz PLUS are complaining for......
N3V have NEVER said how long Train PLUS would be running for....

It is a BETA version and properly all ways will be....

If you can not handle that , then WHY are you using the BETA version.!!

I am NOT and never will be a rivet counter.

One of the things that I would like N3V to get working... is the TLR.

Everyone has a different reason for wanting this and that....

So this is my RANT.... you don't like .... Just keep scrolling....

 

[paulper]

I do not know what you expect to happen or even if you understand the software development cycle and how it works (most or some of the time).

The latest non-beta build for Plus is 132284 (the released version to use John's sensible terminology in his post above). My understanding is that build 133407 is the latest Plus beta version (the test version). I disagree that both are betas as you seem to be suggesting in post #376. Continued software development is different to betas in my view, with the latter being test versions.

Notwithstanding that, my point wasn't about the software (i.e. TRS22 PE or Plus, or whatever), but the features of whatever iteration of the software that have remained in a beta state (sometimes for years as amigacooke rightly points out), and if it isn't a beta version then the feature or change has ended up with additional limitations that reduce the benefits of it (as I discussed above).

The 'enjoy new features first' marketing highlight for Trainz Plus in the product comparison does not come with a warning that these will be in beta state only - either not working as intended, not the full feature or that Plus users are seemingly going to be responsible for testing it and submitting reports. It gives no impression at all that none of these 'new features' may forever be in a beta state as part of one's subscription to Plus.

I therefore cannot help but feel disappointed with the way that Plus has turned out and that the development of Plus is not what I expected based on N3V's marketing of it.

Can we at least agree that Surveyor 1 is not still in a beta state?