Are you sure about scale? With the previous calculations the route should measure 13 x 7 km, 91 sq km or 91 basemaps. Deduct around 50% which don't carry track, you would still need about 40 tiles, not 16. Or did you reduce scale?
Importing a track diagram as a track laying guide
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cascaderailroad
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As Google Earth measures it ... The land on which your RR sits is small, only 1.5Km x 0.68Km, which would only require @ 2x4 baseboards (even less 1x2 baseboards, minimum).
You only need 4 basemaps, to cover that small tract of land
13 x 7 km, 91 sq km or 91 basemaps would cover most of Pheonix AZ :hehe:
You only need 4 basemaps, to cover that small tract of land
13 x 7 km, 91 sq km or 91 basemaps would cover most of Pheonix AZ :hehe:
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Switchbuilder1949
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I found a scale that looks right to me . I ended up with 2000x2000 pixel squares. Ive set up 3 already and things look good so far. At the scale of 999 / 1000 pixels, the trains look too small for the route.
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
If you would read the posts instead of trying to make funny comments all the time you would probably have a better understanding of what is going on.
Switchbuilder1949
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Well Ive realized that the 2000 pixel squares aren't looking right. Ive reverted back to 1000x1000 squares from my original map and laid the first 2. This looks alot better now. This makes the map divided into 24 x 6 squares and I'll be making 53 basemaps. See ya in a week or so. This is gunna take some time.
Bill
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cascaderailroad
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Kindly tell me exactly what is going on then ?
The man has a a property 1.5Km long, by 0.68Km wide ... that only require 4 basemaps, and 2x4 Trainz baseboards ... why would you need 91 baseboards to get that small plot of land on Trainz baseboards.
91 baseboards would cover the entire city of Pheonix, AZ
24 x 6? Compare with my image and its 1000m grid again, which yielded 13 km x 7 km:
Why is yours so much wider?
@cascaderailroad: Factor 8. The model is 1:8. See post #4.
Switchbuilder1949
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OOPS - 12 x 6. You nailed it Phil.
Cascade, if I make it with 2 basemaps then its 1/8 scale. The park is 1/8th scale, so I multiply by 8 to get prototype.
Ive laid track on 12 tiles and tested it. Its looking really good now. This is a very involved and detailed process and will take time. But i'm a details guy anyway. I build and maintain all 430+ switches at the park, so this I think I can handle.
Cascade, if I make it with 2 basemaps then its 1/8 scale. The park is 1/8th scale, so I multiply by 8 to get prototype.
Ive laid track on 12 tiles and tested it. Its looking really good now. This is a very involved and detailed process and will take time. But i'm a details guy anyway. I build and maintain all 430+ switches at the park, so this I think I can handle.
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Just wondering Roland, is there a way to build this process into the next version of Transdem so it becomes a simple few clicks process.
1. Here's my map/diagram of the model/miniature railway.
2. Scaled up it's 1500 metres x 500 metres.
3. Real world projection - no thank you.
4. Use DEM - no thank you.
5. Create a flat route with sufficient tiles to accommodate the plan and as per existing extraction, the desired number of additional tiles around the core route, with choice of map painted on the terrain or UTM tiles.
Thanks!
1. Here's my map/diagram of the model/miniature railway.
2. Scaled up it's 1500 metres x 500 metres.
3. Real world projection - no thank you.
4. Use DEM - no thank you.
5. Create a flat route with sufficient tiles to accommodate the plan and as per existing extraction, the desired number of additional tiles around the core route, with choice of map painted on the terrain or UTM tiles.
Thanks!
Vern, I added a note to my to-do list. The way I see it, without confusing the user with new workflows, is to add a new pseudo georeferencing function for fictitious routes and a new option when generating the pseudo flat DEM.
Pseudo-georeferencing would only require a single value: Track diagram image width in metres (or even imperial units). Height would be calculated automatically by pixel dimensions. TransDEM would then position this image at an arbitrary point somewhere in the real world, simply to fulfil TransDEM's own geo-location requirements.
The pseudo flat DEM generation would receive one additional option, to add an amount of margin space to make the pseudo DEM larger than the track diagram image. This seems the easiest and most consistent way to create enough room preventing baseboard or UTM tile clipping, and not losing part of the track diagram when exporting to Trainz.
Pseudo-georeferencing would only require a single value: Track diagram image width in metres (or even imperial units). Height would be calculated automatically by pixel dimensions. TransDEM would then position this image at an arbitrary point somewhere in the real world, simply to fulfil TransDEM's own geo-location requirements.
The pseudo flat DEM generation would receive one additional option, to add an amount of margin space to make the pseudo DEM larger than the track diagram image. This seems the easiest and most consistent way to create enough room preventing baseboard or UTM tile clipping, and not losing part of the track diagram when exporting to Trainz.
For what it's worth, I came up with a baseboard count of 103. My method was to measure the number of pixels in the length of the the scale included in the image, and calculate the size of an Auran Baseboard. I found that the image was too large to fit on two baseboards, overhanging on all four sides. I therefore centered the image in six baseboards. Then because the OP specified 1:1 scale, I subdivided each of the six baseboards into 64, and omitted any baseboard around the edge that did not contain track or other assets.
One thing I noticed in my preliminary survey is that the property is not flat. Acording to Google Earth, Waylost is at an elevation of 1358 feet, while Adobe city is about 20 feet higher. and Sahuaro Central museum is at 1382 feet. Scaling the vertical dimension by the same factor as the horizontal will result in a change in elevation over the route of 192 feet (24 actual feet multiplied by the scalar value of 8).
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One thing I noticed in my preliminary survey is that the property is not flat. Acording to Google Earth, Waylost is at an elevation of 1358 feet, while Adobe city is about 20 feet higher. and Sahuaro Central museum is at 1382 feet. Scaling the vertical dimension by the same factor as the horizontal will result in a change in elevation over the route of 192 feet (24 actual feet multiplied by the scalar value of 8).
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Switchbuilder1949
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Ive completed track laying but I have alot of smoothing out to do. I'll start adding scenery and structures now. Im going to attempt to upload it if anyone wants to check it out.
Thank you all again for your assistance.
Bill
Thank you all again for your assistance.
Bill
Switchbuilder1949
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From my E-mail today 
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Hi Switchbuilder1949,
Your uploaded content listed below has been approved and will be available for download within 24 hours.
Maricopa Live Steamers <KUID:7652:100111>
Regards,
The Trainz Team
This is the 1st draft. It needs alot more work.
Again, thank you all for your assistance.
Bill Lowe
Switch builder
Maricopa Live Steamers
Phoenix, Az.
)Hi Switchbuilder1949,
Your uploaded content listed below has been approved and will be available for download within 24 hours.
Maricopa Live Steamers <KUID:7652:100111>
Regards,
The Trainz Team
This is the 1st draft. It needs alot more work.
Again, thank you all for your assistance.
Bill Lowe
Switch builder
Maricopa Live Steamers
Phoenix, Az.
Switchbuilder1949
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Hey Andrew,
Thanks, but Ive put more hours in on track work. Smoothing out things and making additions where I can remember them. I have plans for stations and signs for all routes as the project progresses.
I'll be uploading 'Update - 1' soon as Ive made several additions and corrections in the last 3 days.
Have fun.........
Thanks, but Ive put more hours in on track work. Smoothing out things and making additions where I can remember them. I have plans for stations and signs for all routes as the project progresses.
I'll be uploading 'Update - 1' soon as Ive made several additions and corrections in the last 3 days.
Have fun.........
Downloaded and after a first look, very impressive for a first effort. Fast work too. Had a look at Google maps to see what it eventually might look like, lots of potential. The landscaping doesn't look too complicated and and not too many buildings either. Is the real one signaled prototypically?
Switchbuilder1949
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Thank you Martin. I think I have the track smoothed out now. On to shrubs and desert foliage. Dont forget to print off the parks track plan from - http://www.maricopalivesteamers.com/system_map.html Yes, the park is signaled prototypically with train detection. During our annual meets we have had well over 30 trains running in the park simultaneously. Youtube has numerous videos of the park submitted by members and visitors. Well back to my gardening.
(whats cactus called in surveyor?)
Enjoy
Bill
(whats cactus called in surveyor?)
Enjoy
Bill
Go to the Download Station (DLS), check the boxes for the earlier versions of Trainz and search on cactus in the title. You should get about 30 hits. If you don't mind paying a little $ for some great quality content by Jan Kvis see: http://jvctreez.com/pw_mega_packs.html#jvc_st5 and scroll down to the desert set.