Alert: Content theft on DLS

[skipper1945]

By screen shots, I mean this one that I posted of my modified version of your old version TC3 (I Think?). I hope that makes sense?

Off topic but, ahh ok I`m with you,although the King has now had a total makover including all bogeys so what is now on the DS will become obsolete.

 

[johnwhelan]

If you post a photo of yourself on Photobucket, Imageshack, Facebook ... etc ... etc, your photo is free to be used and viewed, as public property, and can be copied and posted by anyone in the world.

If you create a freeware asset, no matter what you state in the config file about copyright ... anyone can take such freeware and do with it what they please ... unless they are selling your freeware asset, and making profit ... but even then: "Lots of luck prosecuting the offender".

Publish and upload something as freeware to the interwebs' ... and it is now in the public domain.

Copyright is copyright and I question the authority which denies it.

Cheerio John

 

[CaptEngland]

If you post a photo of yourself on Photobucket, Imageshack, Facebook ... etc ... etc, your photo is free to be used and viewed, as public property, and can be copied and posted by anyone in the world.

If you create a freeware asset, no matter what you state in the config file about copyright ... anyone can take such freeware and do with it what they please ... unless they are selling your freewre asset and making profit ... but even then: "Lots of luck prosecuting the offender".

Publish and upload something as freeware ... and it is in the public domain.

Hi Cascaderailroad.

That may be true in certain country's, but not all. Look at it this way... A record company makes a pop video that you see for free on music shows. They may also allow you to download it from the bands web page but they say that it is only available for free from their web page. Someone uploads it to a video site and then the record company goes nuts about copyright misuse. Who's right or wrong?

Also, how about free to air tv? You watch the program and maybe record it off the free to air channel. Does that then give you the right to upload it for free when the tv company that made the program sell's the DVD of the same program?

The one thing that people who make stuff for free need to watch out for is that some chancer may try to make out that they own the original copyright and that, let's just say for argument's sake, George copied him and that George will not get a penny when this chancer sells George's hard work and that George should pay for damages to the chancer because (George's) is available for free and cost sales.

I know of one former pop artist who is facing the above situation at the moment because of a record company (with no right of copyright to his work) using his songs and the fact is he did not even produce anything for this company (and they have no connection to his own label). The only way he found out about the situation was that as a thank you to fans, he released for public domain some songs and got a very nasty letter from the said record company lawyers telling him that he did not own the copyright to his own written songs! . Court Case is still pending so I can not say too much.

That's why some people put copyright notices in freeware, my friends.

Best regards.
CaptEngland

P.S. I would guess that a word to N3V would soon get the item removed. As a second guess, perhaps the person who has done this is a kid who does not understand about copyrights. In my own view, if they said (A public) sorry and promised not to do it again then end of story.

 

[skipper1945]

If you post a photo of yourself on Photobucket, Imageshack, Facebook ... etc ... etc, your photo is free to be used and viewed, as public property, and can be copied and posted by anyone in the world.

If you create a freeware asset, no matter what you state in the config file about copyright ... anyone can take such freeware and do with it what they please ... unless they are selling your freeware asset, and making profit ... but even then: "Lots of luck prosecuting the offender".

Publish and upload something as freeware to the interwebs' ... and it is now in the public domain.

In general the Trainz community rely on integrity and creators help each other out where possible so we don`t need lots of luck in prosecuting when very occasionally someone chooses to go against the guidelines.

 

[nexusdj]

@ Cascaderailroad :
That may be so in the US but UK law is different .
I suggest that you get your facts right before giving the newbies on here the impression that it's a free for all , which it most definitely isn't !!

http://www.humphreys.co.uk/copyright.htm?gclid=COCZ0Me6xKgCFcUMfAod7VdgrQ

 

[cascaderailroad]

Copyright is not an automatic thingy ... and in a config file, pretending to be claiming copyright is not a legal document ... Copyright is a legal process of filing legal copyright documents, on each particular asset, in a court system or database.

 

[malikrthr]

I think this should be the last warning for anyone that does that again. They should get banned from the forums permanently and not have the ability to upload anything to the dls if possible.

 

[johnwhelan]

Copyright is not an automatic thingy ... and in a config file, pretending to be claiming copyright is not a legal document ... Copyright is a legal process of filing legal copyright documents, on each particular asset, in a court system or database.

I think you are expressing a personal opinion.

Copyright laws are different in practically every country. However following your opinion it would be necessary to file for copyright separately in every country in the world.

Patents are different.

Cheerio John

 

[Red_Rattler]

Copyright is not an automatic thingy
Copyright is a legal process of filing legal copyright documents, on each particular asset, in a court system or database.

You don't really have to file anything for it to be copyrighted. If you take a picture, make an object, such as a chair say, then you automatically own the copyright, with or without the wording copyright.

and in a config file, pretending to be claiming copyright is not a legal document.

It is a contract is it not?

PS: I note the model in question was uploaded on the weekend, Australian EST. Now tell me that wasn't deliberate to avoid the office hours?

PS-2: The offending item has the UK Branch Lines logo on the bottom, but a username that possibly isn't a member of that group. That is one more reason why EVERY upload to the download station needs to be check before being approved for download.

 

[aardvark1]

Here is the profile for Isims:

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/member.php?u=535335

Located somewhere in the UK.

While it is sad that a new user violates content creators work, I hope that additional posts do not turn into a legal debate. We have seen many threads with various legal opinions posted.

These legal debates are pointless "opinions" made by people who are not lawyers.

I would hope the creator of the content discussed here contacts N3V and asks for action to be taken against Isims.

Regards,

 

[Red_Rattler]

UKBL team &/or Skipper1945, have you asked or demanded that ISims delete the item ASAP?

 

[aardvark1]

UKBL team &/or Skipper1945, have you asked or demanded that ISims delete the item ASAP?

Hi Red,

Would it not be better for N3V to delete the content and then permanently ban
Isims or cancel his personal kuid so that no additional content be submitted?

Regards.

 

[leeferr]

Copyright is not an automatic thingy ... and in a config file, pretending to be claiming copyright is not a legal document ... Copyright is a legal process of filing legal copyright documents, on each particular asset, in a court system or database.

I'm not sure what you're claiming as your expertise on this subject, but you're completely wrong about a Copyright having to be filed here in the US. You may be confusing this with a Trademark. A Copyright is in force at the moment of creation of the object. Filing a copyright will assist in proving ownership in a court of law, but is not a requirement. As an Architect, I dealt with Copyrights and infringement for 30+ years and have been to several classes and seminars taught by lawyers on the subject. Your misconceptions on copyrights are leaving the wrong impression with the newbies around here and in the long run will only reduce the number of creators willing to spend hours upon hours on a piece of content only to have it stolen, well intentioned or not.

 

[Vern]

Freeware does not mean "free for all". Whether you call it copyright or something else, the act of making it available for distribution at no profit to oneself does not give other little scrotes the right to upload it as their own.

I was actually the victim of this over at TS.com a couple of months ago, when some little irk put his name to one of my Railworks routes and uploaded it to the file library there. A complaint to the librarian got it removed but the little twerp was at it a few weeks later with someone else's content. So they obviously didn't think to ban or at least put on a watchlist the person responsible.

However CascadeRailroad is right that there is little that can be done in practice to defeat the determined plagiarist. I sent the person a "cease and desist" email (they were using Hotmail so virtually untraceable), got no reply but a few days later various Viagra, Cialis and invitations to porn site emails starting bombarding my Inbox.

 

[tommylee3010]

"The above is this licence that was copied from the config of the stolen item. What is it with TTTE fans that think they can do what they like with our content"

Ok, am I reading this right?
Your saying all Thomas Fans do this?
We have our issues too! Their are members like the one in this incident that actualy do this. But not all, some TTTE fans become enraged when someone does a horrible reskin, calls it their own, and refuses to coperate! Their are some that make their own Thomas models only to get ripped off by cheap skates! I know the basics of Copyright, enough to distinguish right from wrong and our fandome gets discriminated for users like these who don't(or do but just don't care) understand copy rights! I don't get why all the fanbase gets discriminated for these types of users? Even though I did not want to jump in this band wagon, I just had to put my two cents in.

 

[skipper1945]

"The above is this licence that was copied from the config of the stolen item. What is it with TTTE fans that think they can do what they like with our content"

Ok, am I reading this right?
Your saying all Thomas Fans do this?
We have our issues too! Their are members like the one in this incident that actualy do this. But not all, some TTTE fans become enraged when someone does a horrible reskin, calls it their own, and refuses to coperate! Their are some that make their own Thomas models only to get ripped off by cheap skates! I know the basics of Copyright, enough to distinguish right from wrong and our fandome gets discriminated for users like these who don't(or do but just don't care) understand copy rights! I don't get why all the fanbase gets discriminated for these types of users? Even though I did not want to jump in this band wagon, I just had to put my two cents in.

I have for my part made comments on this thread in respect of how I feel concerning this particular issue and have subsequently sent a ticket to Auran in the hope that they will resolve it.

However , I refer to a line in the above quote ----( Their are members like the one in this incident that actually do this.----,) I`m sorry if I have misread it and it is not refering to me , but I would point out that I have NEVER at any time created for or had any involvement with TTTE.

 

[honeymonster1971]

No Flames ... Merely stating a fact

"The above is this licence that was copied from the config of the stolen item. What is it with TTTE fans that think they can do what they like with our content"

Ok, am I reading this right?
Your saying all Thomas Fans do this?
We have our issues too! Their are members like the one in this incident that actualy do this. But not all, some TTTE fans become enraged when someone does a horrible reskin, calls it their own, and refuses to coperate! Their are some that make their own Thomas models only to get ripped off by cheap skates! I know the basics of Copyright, enough to distinguish right from wrong and our fandome gets discriminated for users like these who don't(or do but just don't care) understand copy rights! I don't get why all the fanbase gets discriminated for these types of users? Even though I did not want to jump in this band wagon, I just had to put my two cents in.

Tommy I am making that statement from the history of UKBL and TTTE, We used to have a heck of a lot of TTTE content but the copyright holders asked us to remove it so we did, Then we had 6 months to a year of people bitching about us getting rid of it.

Since then I have found our TTTE content on several third party websites under other peoples names, Hence my comment. to further back up my comment there is the fact that out of all the UKBL content that has been made the only time it is stolen is when it has something to do with TTTE.

I hope now the comment is clearer

Andi

 

[BLACKWATCH]

Here is the profile for Isims:

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/member.php?u=535335

Located somewhere in the UK.
Regards,

But are they really in the UK ?
According to Cascaderailroads profile, he's in Antarctica :hehe:

I also think that profiles should be mandatory & checked to be factual.

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

Call me 'old fashioned' but doesn't common courtesy and manners come in somewhere?

Rob.

Your old fashioned, you moany old git. :hehe:

But i fully agree with you. There should not have to be a reliance on laws of copyright, in regards freeware.

We should all have the common decency to respect the wishes of the respective creators and think ourselves lucky. That these models are made available to the community.

The old saying is "don't sh!t on your own doorstep".

IKB.

 

[Beattie]

Hes how I look at it, if its just for you only and your not going to give it to anybody else you have the right to. Its when you cross the line in giving it to others, as soon as you do that you can get in trouble without permission. I'll tell this is I will be very mad if we have to have permission to change it just for our own use is when I will say thats stupid. Now if they say in the description you can change it then you can do it if not then you can't change it and give to others.

The copyright side of Beattie who knows