Ongoing Investigation: SP6 Route Performance & Redraw Issues

[pware]

That's one of PGuy's scripts. The code is trying to load a menu icon and it doesn't exist or, perhaps, not loaded at the time. You might call this to his attention.

Thanks for the heads up. I just checked and I have no assets by pguy in the route or the session, but someone else may have borrowed his script. I will look further in to it.

 

[nugget2225]

I wasn't able to cause my route to stutter after 5 hours of use, like i did the first time. Now i am 8 hours in, and no problems. The problems i have had with stutters has always been in surveyor, Not driving sessions. I also disabled memory compression in windows 11 with a script, And it seems much better.
I also use process lasso for all my sims and games to monitor every single background program. Hopefully it will stay that way.

 

[pcas1986]

Thanks for the heads up. I just checked and I have no assets by pguy in the route or the session, but someone else may have borrowed his script. I will look further in to it.

Hmm, that's interesting. I took a copy of that script for inspiration for my own work. The code line numbers in your earlier post did align with the copy I have.

We all learn from each other in the software jungle.

 

[JCitron]

I wasn't able to cause my route to stutter after 5 hours of use, like i did the first time. Now i am 8 hours in, and no problems. The problems i have had with stutters has always been in surveyor, Not driving sessions. I also disabled memory compression in windows 11 with a script, And it seems much better.
I also use process lasso for all my sims and games to monitor every single background program. Hopefully it will stay that way.

The first time through usually means content is being cached and compressed. Once that part is over, routes tend to load faster and run smoother later.

If you are seeing stutters in Surveyor, click on the three-bar menu in the upper-left corner.
Choose Show Launcher, or whatever it's called.
Click on Developer on the top of the launcher.
Click on Show logs.

If the log is busy moving along, it's doing something such as caching and compressing. It's not as vigorous as the first time through but it does still occur. Sometimes, you can see a faint pre-caching message in the upper part of the screen while in Surveyor. The text is a faint grey and is about 6 points in size.

While this is going on, moving about the route will be sluggish and various object menus may be missing items and are replaced by a spinning circle.

 

[Paulsw2]

I went back to build 129335. As far as I can tell. Whatever N3V has implemented with the foliage system has also messed up pretty much any speed tree assets in existence.

I'd like to check this: what is the impact on existing speedtrees from installing SP6? does it in any way impact on their appearance and performance?

 

[pware]

I'd like to check this: what is the impact on existing speedtrees from installing SP6? does it in any way impact on their appearance and performance?

All my trees and many of my bushes are SpeedTrees. SP6 and SP6 HF had no noticeable effect on them. I have now replaced many of the SpeedTrees with Plant Factory trees for which SP6 was optimised.

 

[AV3]

I'd like to check this: what is the impact on existing speedtrees from installing SP6? does it in any way impact on their appearance and performance?

Well, pretty much every route that has an abundance of speed trees, (For reference, I use the ST_RMM assets) is now no longer able to run at the smooth framerates I could get before SP6. Even when Tree quality is set to Low. It's still tough to get the game to 60FPS. Most the time I'm getting 30 or maybe if I'm lucky 40 FPS.

 

[bolivar]

Well, pretty much every route that has an abundance of speed trees, (For reference, I use the ST_RMM assets) is now no longer able to run at the smooth framerates I could get before SP6. Even when Tree quality is set to Low. It's still tough to get the game to 60FPS. Most the time I'm getting 30 or maybe if I'm lucky 40 FPS.

@AV3. Yeah thanks for the info. Others have commented and confirmed this situation. SP6 HF1 will not be installed on my game.

PS: The new plant trees look atrocious, compared to St_RMM & Mcguirel trees. I downloaded them out of curiosity. I suppose when you wear rose coloured glasses and believe that N3V can do no harm, you cannot see the wood for the trees.

 

[AV3]

I suppose when you wear rose coloured glasses and believe that N3V can do no harm, you cannot see the wood for the trees.

Yeah I think we've figured out the hard way that's just not the case.

 

[Paulsw2]

Thanks for the responses. This is quite an important point as my routes make extensive use of speed trees so I need to know if they're still going to work in SP6 with HF1 installed. Is it a framerate issue or is the appearance of the trees themselves also impaired?

 

[pware]

Further to my "bug" example in post #207:-

- <NULL> : File cdhelper.gs, Line 253, ER_NullReference
  ; <NULL> : Script callstack
    ; <NULL> : function $void@cdhelper::AddMenuIcon(), line 253
    ; <NULL> : function $void@cdhelper::UpdateMenuIcon(), line 215
    ; <NULL> : function $void@cdhelper::RegisterMenuItem(GameObject,string,string,string,bool,bool), line 135
    ; <NULL> : function $void@cdhelper::RegisterMenuItem(GameObject,string,string,string), line 140
    ; <NULL> : function $void@NamedObjectsCacheLibrary::OnWorldModuleInit(Message), line 313

This is probably one of the many bugs on the list to repair someday after the devs add some new feature we haven't seen yet.

As I noted that when a route and session that has this red bug warning in Trainz Plus is run in TRS22PE it does not have the error. Now I have discovered that if the session is edited in TRS22PE, saved and then imported back into Trainz Plus, then it runs in Trainz Plus without the error. As Alice once remarked, "Curioser and Curioser".

 

[pware]

I suppose when you wear rose coloured glasses

That only works for rose bushes.

 

[HPL]

my routes make extensive use of speed trees so I need to know if they're still going to work in SP6 with HF1 installed.

I have tons of SpeedTrees in 149 routes as I replaced every old billboard tree or bush in all of them. No problem in SP6 HF1 (they look exactly the same as before), except for 2 routes ("Muskanippee Valley Railroad" and "Gorges de la Loire") due to a dramatically dropped framerate (don't know if this is due to SpeedTrees).

 

[Paulsw2]

Thanks for the responses. Not hugely reassuring. Bit like spinning a roulette wheel. Hmm.