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    Lightbulb Bit of Help route building / making it download station worthy. (UK fictional Route)

    Hello all

    I'm looking for some guidance and perhaps assistance with a route I've been building since Trainz 2006.

    I am constantly losing focus with the route as it is now pretty big. Lots of tiles with nothing in and lots of unfinished scenery / trackwork. But lots of areas which I'm very happy with!

    It is purely fiction, so this proves problematic in that I tend to add things, but never finish sections off, come back and realise that I'm making too many "busy" areas.

    My plan is to have a large circular route to allow AI to populate mainline and make sessions which I hope to release at some point.

    For those of you who are interested. The route is a complete mix of UK Steam, Diesel and Electric. Certain sections lend themselves to a more "modern" feel whilst others lean toward late 1960's. I know to many this may not be "correct" or even "frowned" upon. But I wanted to take the best of British Railways.

    Can anyone suggest how I can build landscapes quicker? I find that I can't get the hills, slopes and to get away from the flat landscape.

    I've posted some screenshots elsewhere in the forum, but any help would be great.

    I'd love to release this route. 13 years in the making and think it's about time it was finished, sessions created and trains running!

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    I use the copy and paste tools a lot, helps speed up the building
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher824 View Post
    I use the copy and paste tools a lot, helps speed up the building
    Yes I use that a lot. But landscaping I find difficult. I've tried copying and paste for it but doesn't seem to work well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beep55 View Post
    Yes I use that a lot. But landscaping I find difficult. I've tried copying and paste for it but doesn't seem to work well.
    I have a route like that as well I started back in December 2003 and has followed me through the various Trainz iterations I have installed. It's at a standstill right now until I get up the energy to work on it again. I actually have a lot of routes like that, but anyway...

    Have you tried the displacement maps? These will give you quick terrain that you can then smooth out as needed. It works pretty well for filling those areas you don't know quite what to do with.
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    Building large amounts of terrain is more difficult more needs to be - I wish the terrain tools could operate on larger chunks of land. But here is a more detailed description of what JCitron just suggested so you can create your own displacements.

    Somewhere off to the side, build a miniature of the terrain - maybe a ridge, or a hill. Now go to Topology/Advanced/Select area and select your miniature terrain. Then click "get Displacement" and your miniature terrain will appear as a greyscale in the window. Then select a large area that you want to have the terrain and press "fill area" Play with the displacement scale slider and press "fill area" once more. And if you want to save the greyscale image, press the checkmark and you will be prompted to give it a name and a description. Unfortunately you are limited on height I think around 300m and the lower areas (darker) will eat into the previous terrain which you may not want. I suggest learning this technique on a blank route until you understand how it works.
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    Like you and John, I have a large route that is making progress slowly with many cameo scenes.

    Landscaping can be tedious, but, have a look at this tutorial about using the tools to good effect.

    https://contentcreation.trainzsimula...-topology-tab/

    Don't worry about making mistakes, it's easy to set the land flat and start again.
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    British railways are a mix from diesel and electric on main lines with a growing number of interconnecting heritage steam lines so unless you are modelling a specific route really you have licence to create anything which you like.

    Likewise I have a historic route started in TS12, merged with another started in T:ANE with many gaps in scenery but no bare baseboards because once laid I tend to use the topology slope tool to create basic hills away from the intended line of my track outwards to the edge of the boards. Once the track is laid I'll contour these basic slopes into hills to compliment station, buildings, roads and so forth.

    I think seeing trains running has helped maintain the interest and to achieve this I've terminated open ended routes with portals to turn traffic back until I've been able to add the next length of track/section etc. I've also set one or two small achievable goals at a time. A village or hamlet, an industrial park, the scenery for what would equate to the next three or five miles of track. If its not going right I leave it alone or just spend the time driving or letting AI do its thing and enjoying what I've achieved to date because if you are not enjoying doing it, it sort of defeats the reason for purchasing Trainz in the first place. Peter

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    You could use Transdem to do a fictional terrain extraction and build on that, doesn't even have to be from the UK or where a railway runs in real life. For a circular route why not take one of the smaller Scottish Islands and then do a line circling the coast. Or in the case of one of my current WIP projects, I found a 32 mile branch line in western Victoria (Aus) but am building it as "Honeycombe Vale" a fictional ex GWR branch line set at the transition from BR steam to diesel so I can run Pannier tank locos side by side with Warships and Westerns. If you're struggling for track plan ideas, grab a few back copies of Railway Modeller or buy the Peco track plan books and something in there should fit.
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    Thank you for all your replies :-)

    I will post a few screenshots here later today.

    I certainly agree with everything said here. I struggle to concentrate at best of times.

    I would like to get opinions of actual route before a release, for feedback and to enhance any areas.

    This has given me a bit of momentum. Thank you for all your comments.

    I occasionally post progress screenshots on Instagram so if any of you are interested it's piano_guy87

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    I have much the same problem with unfinished routes. One reason is that I am easily tempted into content creation which I really enjoy - and never get around to using my own creations! Another is the discouragement brought by each new version of Trainz and the thought of having to do much of the work again. But as I don't aim to upload routes, perhaps I should continue any unfinished ones in their original version - after all, it's only for my own enjoyment.

    One of these days …

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    Thank you for all replies :-) I have taken advice on board and made some good progress!

    Here are a couple of screen shots below. Any feedback would be great. I've done a quick drive on the route from southern most terminus (Kemerton Central) to the main hub station (Stanford Bridge) this took approx 50 mins with a 9F Pulling 750 Tonnes. I will post some more screenshots of my next Quick Drive session so you all have an idea of the route. Shots below are a little all over the place.

    I know quite a few of them are lacking in the ground cover, grass, shrubs etc.

    This route has quite a few lines in it. So I can create a multiple of sessions using different routes rather than limited to "End to End" there are some sections which I find a challenge to maintain boiler pressure.

    I've certainly found the displacement tool helpful in creating less flat terrain. I am mastering the art of tunnel building. I find that constructing my own tunnels using digholes are much better than the ones you can just drop and place etc.

    I think it is slowly coming along... maybe another two years and it might be ready




















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    I'm quite happy with the construction of a motorway!

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    You've got some great looking stuff there! Worth keeping on with, I think!
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    I totally agree you really have put some effort and hours into creating your route, its brilliant and in such detail, thanks for sharing it. Peter

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    Keep going. Very well put together.

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