Why Make 2010 EE Content ???????

[timberdv]

If I sound angry, it's because I am.

I uploaded a route that took over a year to create. I created over 100 custom items of content for this route.

I made the mistake of upgrading my TS2010EE to SP3.
The DLS does not recognize SP3 content.

Therefore the only way it can be seen or downloaded is with Content Manager.

Auran, this is your problem.

You Broke It !!!


PLEASE FIX IT !!!!!! NOW!!!!!
Thank You For Your Prompt Attention.

P.S.
And I Don't Mean -- Auran(TM)Soon

Dave

 

[tardis626]

Shouting isn't going to help anything. If you want someone to care and be understanding don't shout at them like that, yes they may have "broken it" but they can also fix it, they don't need shouting at to do that. If anything they may fee put off by your post.

The sentence "Why should we, we try and make the game better and get shouted at!" comes to mind so try and be polite, they're only human


Oh, and If it took over a year to make, a few more days while they fix it isn't going to matter is it?!


Regards,
Phil

 

[NICKEL]

I can see your route on the DLS and it is set at 3.3. Of course that is with CM. Maybe the DLS is going the way of the DooDoo bird.

So far there are 10 items at the 3.3 level. Works for me.

 

[j_maybury]

I do think your going to regret writing that!
Because every one that see it will think you’re a bit of a hot headed fool,

Lash out in anger... repent at your leisure.

Auran have bent over backwards to get a product out that is as good as TRS2004 was in it's day, and just because they are still ironing out the wrinkles, and it affects you for a few days, is just showing how petty you are behaving, take it like a sensible human being and learn to see thing from there side.

 

[paulhobbs]

Therefore the only way it can be seen or downloaded is with Content Manager.

So what's the problem?

Paul

 

[timberdv]

So what's the problem?

Paul

It's the indifference of Auran or whatever they call themselves now.

Many people do not even use Content Manager.

Have you ever put together a route and created over 100 custom items for it?

I could have used many more descriptive adjectives to describe my frustration but I think I just decided to yell at them.

If you had this happen to you, you might feel differently.

Someone has to make them accountable

It probably won't do any good.

But I feel better.

Dave

 

[VinnyBarb]

So what's the problem?

Paul

If one does not wants to d/load with CM2 or any other Content Manager. As I guess some people do, like me. I d/load mostly via FTP as a CDP and hey presto, instant backup CDP which I can install in any version of TRS/TS I want to (providing this is made for several versions).

Nothing wrong with that?

Cheers

VinnyBarb

 

[tardis626]

he is right to complain, but right to post a post like that?

Look me in the eyes and tell me that his post was appropriate and isn't just going to make him look arrogant towards auran who have at least tried to make the game better



Regards,
Phil

 

[belkenn]

Oh come on; the guy has a right to complain, what do you guys do? Go into a cupboard and scream to yourself?
Hot headed fool my bum; he is right, but sadly Auran will not do anything no matter how hard you shout.

Good for you Dave; for at least trying.

Belkenn

 

[tardis626]

sadly Auran will not do anything no matter how hard you shout.

What so:
- SP3 didn't fix problems in SP2?
- SP2 didn't fix problems in SP1?
- SP1 didn't fix problems in the base game?

You really need to think about what you just posted, it's hilarious.


DAVE: Technically they didn't "break it", they just upgraded one thing and forgot to do the DLS too, your still better off now than you were before


Regards,
Phil

 

[sniper297]

Well, I gotta agree with the original poster, if SP1 did what it was supposed to do then why SP2 and SP3? How long has TS2010 been out now? I gotta call 'em as I see 'em, I LIKE TS2010 but there's some sloppy programming here.

Got the cart before the horse, TS2010 content mangler finds every picayune error and disables the asset, they SHOULD have designed an automatic FIX utility built in to the program BEFORE setting it to nitpick errors. Trying to do anything gets really really stupid;

You gotta be kidding.

 

[boleyd]

Auran got themselves into a corner. A big marketing plus was the ability to use legacy items thus thay had hundreds of ready-made assets available as soon as you bought the game. Wonderful. Well other games moved to new levels and the customers wanted more. The old stuff did not work well with the new designs so they tried to accommodate it but there were constructs that simply would not work due to prior poor management of the big store of old assets. Now Auran is forced to clean up, or toss out, things that do not conform to rigid standards. Something they should have enforced from the beginning.

 

[on30gn15]

... if SP1 did what it was supposed to do then why SP2 and SP3?

If the telegraph did what it was supposed to do then why the internet?

If a '57 Chevy did what it was supposed to do, then why a '65?

{that is probably not going to be well received initially, oh well, it was my choice to take the chance}
:hehe:

 

[Wessex_Electric_Nutter]

Got the cart before the horse, TS2010 content mangler finds every picayune error and disables the asset, they SHOULD have designed an automatic FIX utility built in to the program BEFORE setting it to nitpick errors. Trying to do anything gets really really stupid;

You gotta be kidding.

Did you manually add the tag by hand? If so, I think you find that you actually made a mistake, the " shouldn't be there, look closely. (Its a typo and CMP is not that forgiving over typos, as apposed to TRS2004, which was more lax.)

Either that, or you got the word "traincar" in there somewhere, where CMP is treating it as a tag, where it should be a string. (String is a long list of characters, before you ask. Often solved by putting in 2 quotation marks)

 

[RRSignal]

Well it looks like there's a single quotation mark after the first 'traincar'. So, you're probably right about it being a typo.

 

[sniper297]

Well, I figured it out and fixed it, but that's not the point - if it's designed to find that kind of error then it should know how to fix it. And yeah, I did add the tag manually and screwed it up, the reason I had to add the tag manually is because I cloned a working model, the clone came up with errors due to foreign language descriptions and wouldn't open in content creator, so I manually edited the config.txt to remove all the stuff it was complaining about. THEN it complained about the missing "Kind" tag so I added that, THEN it complained about the way I added the tag.

on30gn15, not sure if that's a good analogy, the '65 Chevy wasn't an improvement over the '57! :hehe:
Anyway the whole thing is like the recent "CLICK IT OR TICKET" seatbelt laws here in the US, not a big deal for most now, but imagine if they started that in 1957 when 99.99% of the cars on the roads didn't HAVE seat belts? Most people would say that was idiotic, wait until the means for complying with the law are available first - stupid for the cops to go around writing tickets for everyone not wearing seat belts when nobody has a car with a seat belt.

 

[bendorsey]

Hi Ya'll:

Ya know what I find so interesting about the 2010 thing? Over 3700 of my items were included as built-in items yet Auran couldn't be polite enough to ask my permission. I would have gladly given it but to my way of thinking they should have at least asked (even if they have the right to use them without my permission). Its just good public relations(because come Sept 1st I'm going to continue making TRS2004 compatible items and host them on the TPR site and try making TS2010 versions for the DLS).

Also interesting is my license specifically says not to be used in any product sold for profit. Last I heard TS2010 was supposed to be sold for profit (tho that might be questionable, at the moment, lol). So what has priority? My license or thier (apparent) right to use whatever is uploaded to the DLS?

Whats more interesting is all of them were for TRS2004. How come they work in TS2010? Its my understanding most TRS2004 items dont'. I certainly didn't upgrade them in any way so either most TRS2004 items do work in TS2010 or Auran has some sort of magic software routine that can convert older TRS2004 content to a format acceptable to TS2010 (and if so why stop accepting items made for TRS2004)?

Ben

 

[Mike10]

Ya know what I find so interesting about the 2010 thing? Over 3700 of my items were included as built-in items yet Auran couldn't be polite enough to ask my permission.

That's odd because my content manager shows 27 of your items built-in to TS2010, not 3700

So what has priority? My license or thier (apparent) right to use whatever is uploaded to the DLS?.

Since you asked, you gave Auran an actual (not apparent) right to distribute your content in anyway they like when you accepted that agreement on the upload screens. This is regardless of anything you put in the config file.

Mike.

 

[RRSignal]

Whats more interesting is all of them were for TRS2004. How come they work in TS2010? Its my understanding most TRS2004 items dont'. I certainly didn't upgrade them in any way so either most TRS2004 items do work in TS2010 or Auran has some sort of magic software routine that can convert older TRS2004 content to a format acceptable to TS2010 (and if so why stop accepting items made for TRS2004)?

Ben

I'm guessing because you designed them properly from the get-go. I've fixed 1,000+ pieces of content and I've noticed a lot of really serious, performance-nuking errors, like texture files that are in the wrong subdirectory. These may have worked in TRS2004 - and this is just a guess, because I assume the bad content worked - because the sim searched the entire directory and subdirectories in which the asset was located.

However, disk-searching produces an ENORMOUS performance penalty, so I figure this is why newer versions of Trainz don't allow this - at least not in Native Mode.

 

[bendorsey]

Hi Ya'll:

Like I said I'm not mad about it - I just thought they could have said something even if was just dropping me a note to let me know my content was going to be included in 2010. In a way I suppose it a compliment (but it certainly was a surprise when I saw my name on page 53 of the manual, lol).

When I click on my content it actually comes up with over 4300 items even tho I only have slightly less the 3800 on the DLS. I understand it counts previous versions so if the latest-n-greatest is version 5 it counts all 5. Not a biggie but a bit confusing (and yes a kind Trainzer explained it to me in another thread).

As for designing them properly in the first place I hope you are right since that might mean I can continue to make them as I am but upload things as 2010 content then (hopefully) all folks have to do is change the version number to 2.4 and they will work in 2004. I'll find out come doomsday (if I can ever figure out how to get content into 2010 - the manual doesn't say diddly).

Ben