WCL2 (S2) Complete

[angelah]

Hi Angela,

thanks for the offer, but a route created in TS2010 would not be backwards compatible. I have noticed that a lot of the FMA assets in the WCML will not work in 2010, perhaps these errors are interfering with the merge? John.

Well, I have both, But would prefer to work in 04 as it is more stable on the merge.
The FMA assets :- Is that in Compatible Mode too? If assets are unstable then yes, it is very possible that this is causing the problem. I noticed after I tried to run the combined routes even in 04 that the AJS invisible stations had disconnected themselves from the track, all of them, during the merge.
I am wondering if the FMA person knows or realises about the problem....?

Blessings,

Angela

 

[john_goddard]

Hi Angela,

your mentioning working in compatible mode has given me something to think about! I only work in native mode in Ts2010, but suppose I was to try merging in compatible mode? I will give it a try and let you know later, John.

 

[Joe_T]

Sorry to hear of your issues with 2k10 Thanks for your effots to help me out on this

 

[john_goddard]

Well, merging in compatible mode certainly makes for a smooth merge but on re-entering native mode a lot of assets which worked before the merge have now ceased working and show in red. Most of these can be "validated" in CM, the big exception being a lot of the FMA assets.
At least we now know a decent merge can be made in compatible mode, John.

 

[angelah]

Be compatible!

Well, merging in compatible mode certainly makes for a smooth merge but on re-entering native mode a lot of assets which worked before the merge have now ceased working and show in red. Most of these can be "validated" in CM, the big exception being a lot of the FMA assets.
At least we now know a decent merge can be made in compatible mode, John.

Dear John,
If the merged went fine in Compatibility Mode won't it run it that too? Will it open in Campat?
I am not quite sure that if you are having so much trouble with these assets in Native Mode, why you go back to it? Is there a reason?
I have to ask as I have not used my 2010 much so am a bit of a dummy on it.

Blessings,

Angela

 

[john_goddard]

Dear Angela,
I always try to run in native mode because, as the name suggests, native mode is the default mode for 2010. As long as the assets meet the 2010 criteria things run so much better! Most pre-2010 assets will work ok in compatibility mode but not all are suitable for native mode, though many can be corrected to run there.

Hope I have explained it clearly enough, best wishes, John.

 

[angelah]

Thanks

Dear Angela,
I always try to run in native mode because, as the name suggests, native mode is the default mode for 2010. As long as the assets meet the 2010 criteria things run so much better! Most pre-2010 assets will work ok in compatibility mode but not all are suitable for native mode, though many can be corrected to run there.

Hope I have explained it clearly enough, best wishes, John.

Thanks Johm.
But one more point; as practically all the assets in these two sections are old, especially in the first part, I suspect many will not have been updated yet to suit Native Mode or even that latest versions of Trainz.
In that case it may only run in compat Mode (not Campat, my typo). Would that not solve the problem?
We all have to accept compromises at times and this may be one, brought about by reasons outside your control.
I agree it would be nice to get it running in Native, but I honestly feel that might not be possible in this instance. I see so many posts stating "I got it to run in Compatibility Mode" so it seems to be a fairly universal problem at the moment when using these old assets.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do,

Angela

 

[angelah]

Stooping route creation

Hi Angela,

thanks for the offer, but a route created in TS2010 would not be backwards compatible. I have noticed that a lot of the FMA assets in the WCML will not work in 2010, perhaps these errors are interfering with the merge? John.

Dear John,
After remarks made in the UK screenshots section I am stopping creating routes as of now, which means no more WCL sections. I am sure certain parties will be dancing round their totem pole at that news.....
If people prefer to run trains on bare boards then they certainly do not need the ones I have spend the last 6 years or so producing for them and for free.

And now I suddenly feel free!

Angela

 

[paul502]

Why give up something you love to do,(& do very well) just because of the opinions of others. I know from my own experience you have to have a thick skin to post or create for things for trainz. My advice, ignore them all, & carry on doing what you do best, there are many that do appreciate your work

 

[Stationbeem]

Hail the Quee of routes

Hi Angela.

It just shows how childish some people can be. Just ignore them. They think they are the bees knees at this game. They create routes on bare boards show them and expect praise for them. They criticise other peoples efforts,but when some one gives them any constructive criticism they spit their dummies out. If they can't take it they should not dish it out. I have always enjoyed your routes Angela and will miss them if you stop creating. I bet your tally of downloads could outstrip them any day. Which goes to show who is the superior route builder.

Regards Dave.

 

[boffin]

Angela, Please do not stop creating your routes. They bring hours of great pleasure and inspiration to others. Your skill at route creation and building should help others improve what they build because they show what is possible.

Regards Bob.

 

[angelah]

Thank you

Thank you all for those kind words. But I have been severly pained by at least two members of this community and don't feel I can go on. You can see their names on the posts.

Over the past 6 plus years I have spent sometimes 12 hours a day trying to make something worthwile and then get told it is far better to just lay tracks on grey boards and that's it, a brilliant route has been created.

They should go look at the Polish screenshots to see real routes, ones that have atmosphere and humanity in them, so good you can almost touch it.
That is route creation, not slapping bare board after bare board down and saying 'I have have got this far'. They haven't got anywhere because it isn't a route, just a kiddies but of track.

If that's what's expected on the UK scene then so be it. I am not going to be villified or insulted to such a level and let it go. This has hurt me deeply and I am turning my back on the UK lot, they mostly are not worth it.
Not all are like that I know, just look at the downloads of my routes, but it seems that over the past year a new feeling of 'can't be bothered' has hit the UK scene and that, frankly, is not the way I work.

I tried to raise the level of quality but plainly quality of any sort is not required.

I will tell you this, I was invited to join the Polish and Hungarian sites and I take that as a great honour. Why? Because of the very high quality of their work and for anybody to even think I might come anywhere near that is indeed a great accolade.

So I am going along a different path now in trying to fathom out gmax, and that might take a while.... if at all....

WCL routes have finished, right now! If you are unhappy about it, you know where to look and who to blame.

Bless you all for your thoughts,

Angela

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

Don't know why you are letting them get to you Angela.

I will always pull you up about "railway related" mistakes.

Like calling your route WCL and your reference to the track in the screen shots forum.

But in reference to your route building, ignore them.

You can do it and they can't and neither can i.

Edited because certain people are so fragile and insecure.

IKB.

 

[angelah]

Not offended

Don't know why you are letting them get to you Angela.

I will always pull you up about "railway related" mistakes.

Like calling your route WCL and your reference to the track in the screen shots forum.

But in reference to your route building, ignore them.

You can do it and they can't and neither can i.

Give me their names and i will find them and break their legs.

IKB.

IKB,
When you say something it has meaning, I am not offended.
I think I did explain how these came to be called WCL some time back, it is because they went west to the coast, or at least that was the intention. It's stopped at Bruton now. You can than nexus and a couple of others for that.
So you won't have to worry about WCL any more because there won't be any.
The track, well that was my ignorance of railway matters. I am not a buff so perhaps can be excused, and I did try to make it a joke rather than a criticism, just a point because it looked odd. Railway lines in my day sat on things called chairs I believe so I just expected that would continue; apparently not in this modern age.

Don't break their legs, just buy them a brain cell each, that will be one more than they have right now.

Blessings,

Angela

 

[NikkiA]

I think I did explain how these came to be called WCL some time back, it is because they went west to the coast, or at least that was the intention. It's stopped at Bruton now. You can than nexus and a couple of others for that.

I was a bit puzzled by it when I first loaded it up and couldn't find Euston, but then I checked again and saw it was WCL not WCML. If you'd called it that it'd have been a much bigger deal I think.

As it is, you can call it what you want

Besides, we both know that if you'd called it the GWML, IKB would be up in arms about the lack of 7' track on it (and complained about the stuff missing after reading

 

[stovepipe]

It's stopped at Bruton now.

That is a real shame Angela.

Your routes along with Harcourt's, ECML, S&C, Darkdan and Zieba111 are about the best of what is out there in my opinion.

Railbuffs can certainly be a pernickety breed alright.

So I hope you may reconsider one day.

regards
Charles

 

[john_goddard]

Dear Angela,
as an old friend, I am saddened by your decision to abandon your WCL project. I have the dems for the unfinished sections but I could never match your skill for creating such detailed scenery. I have not seen the offending posts, but I would put them down to their ignorance and continue your brilliant work.
As for the naming of the WCL, as I said at the time this was first brought up, I have always taken it to mean West Country Line!!
Please reconsider, there will be so many disappointed Trainzers if you don't!

All the best, John.

 

[angelah]

IJB

Our dear friend, IKB. I mean the one with the top hat of course, the great man himself. What a remarkable person and what a remarkable railway he built. Sadly he worked himself to death, literally, and far too early IMO.
An icon for us all. And the railway wasn't the only thing, there is an enormous list of amazing achievements to go with it.
So one reason I felt unable to call my efforts at recreating his edifice, GWR, GWL or anything similar, I haven't got that much cheek! WCL or west coast line it had to be as it went from Paddington (bows reverently) not Euston.

Route creation: I try my best, but now that reads tried my best. The love affair is over. And I am seriously thinking about packing it in with the forum as well.
This place has changed a lot recently, for the worse I have to add, and that really is a sad situation. There is a group of people that are so selfish it is unbelieveable. The 'Me, me, me' syndrome strikes again. I want to do what I like and to hell with everybody else. No respect is shown nor does there seem to be, in the UK screenshots anyway, nor for a general consensus to improve quality. There are a few that post super shots but in the minority, and many are being actively encouraged to post any sort of rubbish and then be praised for it, and by long standing members who should know better and be aiming higher. There also seems to be a tube vision effect on locomotives, so as long as one is in the shot it doesn't matter what else is. Well all trains run in a real world. If you go to a railway and stand next to it (as I have done at Dawlish at a private beach) you cannot see any grey base board, the ground is covered in some sort of a texture called grass/soil/sand or whatever.
Yet these same people want better Trainz versions and better content but are happy to run on bare boards and minimal track. So what is the point of the continued efforts of Auran to please them?
There really is no point and indeed no excuse at all, for posting a shot of a train on a bare embankemt with a fence along it, no point in laying miles of track along bare flat boards and claiming to have 'built' a railway. Sorry, I cannot buy into that mindset.
So it came to me in a flash, what is the point of being on the forum at all, particularly with reference to the UK scene, when that is the attitude of a wide proportion of the people? The smaller minority who try to improve our outlook and endeavours are shouted down with statements like 'People can post what they like.' I suppose they can, if they have no pride in what they do, but it doesn't say much for them, does it....?
I am at the point where I feel exasperated with the whole issue. I am unsure which way to go, but it looks more and more like it may be away from the forum.
When I was severely abused on here a couple of years ago many folk gave me moral support and that was wonderful. But it was a different forum then somehow.
So as I won't post on the UK Screenshots I may pop a couple on here, just so those that criticise can see what they are going to miss....

And after that..... Oblivion?

Blessings to you all,

Angela

 

[angelah]

I will get flamed

Yes, I expect I'll get flamed for this, but it will only be once....

Approaching the Frome junction

Looking across at Frome

After the Frome rejoining junction and running on towards Witham Friary

This stops at Bruton....

Angela

 

[john_goddard]

Message for Louise_T.

Hi Louise,
sorry I am taking so long with your Westbury-Bristol dem, but it has been a nightmare to do!!! The section between Bathampton and Bradford-on Avon has given the most trouble, as you know there is a canal running through the valley along with the river and railway. The canal even crosses on aqueducts in two places. The dem is far from accurate in these situations (heightwise) so I have ended up putting the canal in first and adjusting heights accordingly.
I have been tied up a lot caring for my invalid wife so I will do a bit more during this week and then perhaps you would like to take over?
As you live on the line you are able to see what is involved and will be able to make the necessary adjustments. Also, I am missing working on my SDJR, the track is more or less sorted and now it is putting in the scenery, John.