WCL2 (S2) Complete

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

Sorry to hear about your fall.....Hope for a quick recovery.....I have been trying to merge the two routes,get every thing lined up,and then get the message about layers? having the same name.begining to think they wont merge in 2010..Would like to hear from anyone who has done it.Regards Leonard.

Switch from the terrain view in the merge window, highlight the 2x layers both called route layer and save them as same...."route layer".

Continue with merge....................

There is some slight terrain adjustment needed to get a smooth connection track wise between the two sections.

Save as a different name to the originals ( mine is GWR ).

IKB.

 

[Stationbeem]

Excellent route Angela. Your attention to detail is unsurpassed with this one. Love the act of arson you have placed near those sidings. Lets hope you are able to put (Pt 3) up before the dead-line. That is up to you and your eyes. Cant have you having problems with them.

Regards Dave.

 

[angelah]

WCL3 (S3)

Excellent route Angela. Your attention to detail is unsurpassed with this one. Love the act of arson you have placed near those sidings. Lets hope you are able to put (Pt 3) up before the dead-line. That is up to you and your eyes. Cant have you having problems with them.

Regards Dave.

It's on its way! I have all the track laid but like most DEMs that have rivers around the tracks the elevations are wrong, I found this on the last section too. At the start the tracks should be on a 16 foot embankment, it is on the ground on 3! But a quick whizz back to the end of section 2 gave me the heights and it was easy enough to transfer those over.
Then when I got into Frome it was flat, well almost. There should be embankments and rivers and also roads under the tracks, so that's taken a while to sort out. It doesn't give me much faith in the DEM. But no fault of John's (he made all these) because all he did was use the program, it's the program that messed up.
So lots of height adjustments and I am trying to keep track grades slow and sort ground levels out rather than the other way round.
Got Taunton station in more or less and the trackwork all around. That gives me an aim point to test run a loco, a job for tomorrow.

Angela

 

[john_goddard]

It's on its way! I have all the track laid but like most DEMs that have rivers around the tracks the elevations are wrong, I found this on the last section too. At the start the tracks should be on a 16 foot embankment, it is on the ground on 3! But a quick whizz back to the end of section 2 gave me the heights and it was easy enough to transfer those over.
Then when I got into Frome it was flat, well almost. There should be embankments and rivers and also roads under the tracks, so that's taken a while to sort out. It doesn't give me much faith in the DEM. But no fault of John's (he made all these) because all he did was use the program, it's the program that messed up.
So lots of height adjustments and I am trying to keep track grades slow and sort ground levels out rather than the other way round.
Got Taunton station in more or less and the trackwork all around. That gives me an aim point to test run a loco, a job for tomorrow.

Angela

Yes Angela, the dems are far from accurate which is why I insisted on laying (just 2 tracks! ) the track on section one. One definitely needs to follow the correct gradient profiles which makes the job easier and in the end more satisfying when one drives a train over (nearly!) accurate gradients.

If only we could obtain for free the higher quality data that our American cousins can for their USA routes!! This higher quality data is available for the UK but it is far from cheap, I did consider purchasing it for my SDJR route but was not sure if it would be compatible with Tranzdem.

Also Angela, I have found it pays to obtain as many photos of the route as you can. I have spent well over £100 on SDJR books for my route and, as it no longer exists, find these invaluable.

When I get time I will have a look at the sections of pt.3 that you mention and see what problems you are encountering! First of all though I have to merge pts. 1 and 2 in Ts2010, there seem to be problems doing this! Perhaps the easiest way would be to reinstall 2004 and merge there!

Look forward to seeing pt 3, best of luck, John.

 

[meatloaf747]

First of all though I have to merge pts. 1 and 2 in Ts2010, there seem to be problems doing this! Perhaps the easiest way would be to reinstall 2004 and merge there! John.

Great work Angelah. - Like Leonard & John, I'm also having some problems merging the two in 2010. (probably something I'm doing wrong). I'll keep plugging away at it...

As a thought, seeing that you have a copy of both routes merged, have you considered uploading the merged WCL1 & WCL2. I'm sure a lot more of the community would download the merged 1 & 2 (because they wouldn't need to worry about doing the merge themselves)...

Now that N3V/Auran have finally got around to upgrading their servers, I'm sure the DLS could now handle the merged routes being uploaded. I'm not to sure what the current upload size limit is. In my personal view, if it is less than 100 megs maximum upload, then the limit is to low. Maybe Chris, or someone else from N3V/Auran can confirm what the current upload size limit is!!!

The way I see it, if N3V increases the upload size limit to say 150megs-200megs, then I believe a lot more of the community will purchase FCT's. (win-win all around). The community gets larger routes/layouts to download. N3V/Auran get more revenue...

Please keep up the great work Angelah. Many thanks...
Cheers, Mac...

 

[john_goddard]

Great work Angelah. - Like Leonard & John I'm also having some problems merging the two in 2010. (probably something I'm doing wrong). I'll keep plugging away at it...

As a thought, seeing that you have a copy of both routes merged, have you considered uploading the merged WCL1 & WCL2. I'm sure a lot more of the community would download the merged 1 & 2 (because they wouldn't need to worry about doing the merge themselves)...

Now that N3V/Auran have finally got around to upgrading their servers, I'm sure the DLS could now handle the merged routes being uploaded. I'm not to sure what the current upload size limit is. In my personal view, if it is less than 100 megs maximum upload, then the limit is to low. Maybe Chris, or someone else from N3V/Auran can confirm what the current upload size limit is!!!

The way I see it, if N3V increases the upload size limit to say 150megs-200megs, then I believe a lot more of the community will purchase FCT's. (win-win all around). The community gets larger routes/layouts to download. N3V/Auran get more revenue...

Please keep up the great work Angelah. Many thanks...
Cheers, Mac...

Hi Mac,
I have managed to merge the two sections, the join was quite good (no valley!), just had to connect track, canal and roads. But one half of the merged route is very unstable, terrain keeps disappearing and Trainz keeps crashing, so obviously I have done something wrong!

In Ts2004, apart from the valley!, merging was simple. I have all the dem maps from Penzance up tp Paddington merged into one map, total size 382 mb, no trouble at all ! Only section one is completed by Angela, so goodness knows what the total size would be if she managed to complete the full route, though she does tend to remove quite a large portion of the dems and use back drops, John.

 

[angelah]

Dear John

No, It's not a goodbye note!
I fully appreciate all the effort you put into these maps and at a difficult time for you so understand that it is the program, not you, the bogged it up. Never mind, I am working along the principle that Brunel created this route with as few inclines and sudden plunging gradients as possible so the rails will not vary very quickly, just slowly and over long distances. The rest is groundwork that I must sort out.

Once again, thanks you for creating them in the first place, where would we all have been without them!

Bless you,

Angela

 

[angelah]

WCL Sections 1 & 2 Merged

I have bowed to the requests for a combined route of the two sections and that has now just gone off to Auran - Upload successful it said.
You can all breath a sigh of relief as this means I have taken your nightmares away - I hope!

It took me about 10 minutes to merge the routes, connect tracks and adjust their heights, but another hour sorting out textures, the valley that appears, the canal, roads.... well, a whole load of stuff. The Upload took a while to, and that comes in at 36.732Mb, so not too bad although it will take a while to download.
On test I got chucked out of Trainz on the third run between Theale and Aldermaston but then realised I had all sliders at maximum, so it didn't do too bad, just one or two very slight jerks but otherwise a smooth run.

I am a little concerned that the graphics card isn't up to scratch but being a dummy at PC stuff I haven't a clue. It's a Radeon HD 4650. Not sure how much RAM it has, if I remember they said 256 or something, but I can't find anything about that. My PC has 3Gig of RAM so that should be okay as 2004 only recognises that much. Speed is 3.45Gig I think.
This is a new PC because the old one went kaput on me, so I suppose I could upgrade?

Any advice appreciated.

Angela

 

[john_goddard]

Hi Angela,
I have beaten you to it !! Just finished merging the two sections in TC3 ( which I still had installed) and saved to cdp and then installed in 2010. Everything seems to be fine, but it is annoying that there are no clear instructions on merging in Ts2010. Come on Auran!!! John.

ps I am thinking about installing 2004 and doing the track on section 4, that leaves one more section I believe to reach Exeter. Dennis has the 2 dems for Penzance to Exeter, but due to illness in the family I don't think he has made much progress lately??

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

Not exactly rocket science, merging routes in TS2010.

Perhaps Auran were giving users more credit for common sense than they deserved.

IKB.

 

[john_goddard]

So what have you merged in 2010? If you have successfully merged Angela's routes in 2010, perhaps you could supply us lesser mortals with exact details of the steps taken to achieve this.

The fact remains that Auran should supply this information seeing that it is not straightforward as in previous editions! John.

 

[Len2480]

Hi IKB....I tried what you suggest.Open WCL 1 in Surveyor/Edit.Click on Merge..and click WCL 2.The Merge Window comes up and I get the routes lined up Ok.Clicking on Terrain doesn't seem to do anything!and clicking on the Layer,gives me the message that both Layers have the same name,and it won't merge.I am far from being a Rocket Scientist...and have no idea how to change the names of the Layers,in fact I am completely baffled by them.Anyway thanks for your help and hoping you can assist some more Leonard

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

I did say.......highlight both "layers" called route layer.

Then save them with the same name "route layer".

I have already posted on how to merge the two sections of the GWR mainline John, it took me all of 5 mins to do it.



IKB.

 

[john_goddard]

I did say.......highlight both "layers" called route layer.

Then save them with the same name "route layer".

I have already posted on how to merge the two sections of the GWR mainline John, it took me all of 5 mins to do it.



IKB.

Can you take a little longer and explain exactly what you mean.. People are obviously confused by your brief explanation. I have merged in TC3 so I am not desperate to find this out but there are others who perhaps do not have an earlier edition of Trainz.

Thanks, John.

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

John,

i am 56 years old with long term mental health problems.

One of the problems i have, is not being very good at written explanations.

I know how to work things out and do them myself.

Imparting that information on a forum is not my forte.

I will have to do it again, to actually remember the full description.

IKB.

 

[john_goddard]

I am sorry to hear this, don't worry about it, after all it is Auran who should be answering our queries,
all the best, John.

 

[Len2480]

Thats OK IKB..I,m only 80 and know the problems old age can bring.Thats the one good thing about Trainz it keeps the old brain ticking over..epecially as I also enjoy FX10.If Angelah has uploaded the two already merged, guess I will just try downloading that.I did try what John said about installing in SC3,and transferring it by CDP,but the track didn't show up in the SC3...Haven't given up,will just keep on plugging away..Regards,and have a nice day.. Leonard.

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

No worries guys, after nearly 20 yrs it's something you get used to.

In regards the merging, as i said earlier it was a 5 min job.

BUT............when i opened the complete route this morning.

The part that was section 1, would not load the track, scenery and some of the textures.

The merged part that was originally section 2, appeared fine in Surveyor.

So i will probably download the complete version as well.

EDIT: Just checked the DLS and the full version is available.

IKB.

 

[john_goddard]

Exactly the result I experienced earlier, John!!!

 

[angelah]

It's up!!

Auran have done it again, the Merged route is on the DS in a day. Now that's what I can Service with a capitol S.

It solves all your problems - I hope - so off you go and get it.

It's a great run, very pleasant from the cab, but you will notice how my route building techniques have changed over time. I expect this is due to the vast amount of high quality assets that have become available since it all started. Yes, I remember those days using the original Trainz well and know that 2010 is such an amazing advance.
Auran should be congratulated on their progress through the years. Yes, I know they brought 2010 out only a year after 09 but it is a better version and maybe there was a valid reason that us mortal are not aware of that it was not practical to send out a patch for 09 to bring it up to 2010 standards. And that's apart from the extra work that had to go into doing it, they are a business after all and a group of people have to be paid for their expertise.
I don't moan about paying for a new version, they are not all that expensive after all and don't break the bank. And once you have the latest version you have the world at your finger tips, even wobbling trees!

One day I might even get to use my copy of 2010, but at the moment the 3rd section of the WCL series is taking all my time up and getting used to 2010 would take a great chunk out of that. So 2004 keeps going here, at least until September. After that, we'll see. Perhaps then I shall take the break I really needed to take now and have put off, I am a bit Trainz weary.

Angela