UK Screenshots for Pre BR Blue. High resolution warning.
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2995Valliant
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These will be next once I've caught up with uploading the remaining Garratts and the Std 4:
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2995Valliant
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Looks like the DLS is banjaxed again. The bogies are now available (whoopee....) but the black Std 4 Mogul and BR2 tenders which I uploaded last night are still not showing in the preview area.
As freeimage.host seems to have flaked out on me and the previous images have vanished into the ether, here are a couple of shots of what you'll get at some point....
As freeimage.host seems to have flaked out on me and the previous images have vanished into the ether, here are a couple of shots of what you'll get at some point....
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KotangaGirl
Pre-Grouping Railways Nut
Strange that freeimage.host flaked out on you as it did for me around a week earlier. All seemed fine and then without warning my account was shut down.
2995Valliant
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Yes, once I couldn't log in, changed password and all was okay again, then it happened again but I couldn't even get to the reset password page second time around.
HOLY SMOKE THESE ARE AMAZING!!These will be next once I've caught up with uploading the remaining Garratts and the Std 4:
I hate to ask but is there any way you could release a version of these with SR Discs instead of lamps? The Ivatt 2MTs were quite prevalent on the Ex-LBSCR Lines of the Southern Region in the 1960s and I'd love to field these on some of the major areas on the SR Route Project if you don't mind me doing so!
Nice look, also if the DLS is still acting strange, have you considered using something like dropbox or google drive as an alternative for the content?Looks like the DLS is banjaxed again. The bogies are now available (whoopee....) but the black Std 4 Mogul and BR2 tenders which I uploaded last night are still not showing in the preview area.
As freeimage.host seems to have flaked out on me and the previous images have vanished into the ether, here are a couple of shots of what you'll get at some point....
2995Valliant
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Southern region versions are a good idea actually for both the 2MT and the 4MT tender engines as well. I'll see what can be done....HOLY SMOKE THESE ARE AMAZING!!
I hate to ask but is there any way you could release a version of these with SR Discs instead of lamps? The Ivatt 2MTs were quite prevalent on the Ex-LBSCR Lines of the Southern Region in the 1960s and I'd love to field these on some of the major areas on the SR Route Project if you don't mind me doing so!
I should be able to produce a disc mesh that allows my southern destination library to be applied if needed.
2995Valliant
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Yes please, Ed!
You're extremely generous Valliant; I sincerely can't thank you enough!
To be honest, Southern Region 4MT Moguls actually sound fantastic too! I know of two that were allocated to Brighton Shed in January of 1954 numbered 76005 and 76006. There were about four or five more, but I don't know their numbers off the bat. They came in around 1963 to supplant the LBSCR K Class and Maunsell Moguls they withdrew from Brighton prematurely during the Steam Culling of 1962.
Fun fact, a lot of the 4MT 2-6-0s allocated to the Southern Region actually had the larger BR1B Tenders equipped to them instead of the traditional BR2B tenders. I'm not sure why this was exactly but some of my books suggest it was to provide better water and coal capacity for longer journeys given the distances they had to travel. The ones at Brighton had 1B Tenders but they left in May of 54 for Dorchester Shed and may have had this changed. Oddly enough their final allocation of 76005 and 76006 in 1967 was to Bournemouth Shed. They stayed until the very end of steam working Bournemouth services not far from the fantastic S&D that you and Parker are beautifully working on!
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PortLineParker
UK Route Builder
BR(S) often had the larger tenders to carry more water as they were the only region without water troughs. It's the same reason the Bulleid pacific's tender size increased and the Merchant Navy's ended up with 6,000 gal. tenders. Some don't like the BR1 series tenders, claiming they look too bulky or top heavy but I personally like them and think they suit the locos they were attached to. Some of the 4-6-0 4MTs on the S&D used the BR1 tenders and they did look good.
In stark contrast to all I said above, here is 75027 on a down goods departing Blandford Forum sporting a BR2 tender in green.
Cheers,
PLP
In stark contrast to all I said above, here is 75027 on a down goods departing Blandford Forum sporting a BR2 tender in green.
Cheers,
PLP
2995Valliant
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The BR1B tenders are already done and in line to upload.You're extremely generous Valliant; I sincerely can't thank you enough!
To be honest, Southern Region 4MT Moguls actually sound fantastic too! I know of two that were allocated to Brighton Shed in January of 1954 numbered 76005 and 76006. There were about four or five more, but I don't know their numbers off the bat. They came in around 1963 to supplant the LBSCR K Class and Maunsell Moguls they withdrew from Brighton prematurely during the Steam Culling of 1962.
Fun fact, a lot of the 4MT 2-6-0s allocated to the Southern Region actually had the larger BR1B Tenders equipped to them instead of the traditional BR2B tenders. I'm not sure why this was exactly but some of my books suggest it was to provide better water and coal capacity for longer journeys given the distances they had to travel. The ones at Brighton had 1B Tenders but they left in May of 54 for Dorchester Shed and may have had this changed. Oddly enough their final allocation of 76005 and 76006 in 1967 was to Bournemouth Shed. They stayed until the very end of steam working Bournemouth services not far from the fantastic S&D that you and Parker are beautifully working on!
As PLP rightly says the lack of troughs on the Southern was the reason for using the tender with the larger capacity. The biggest downside was that BR1B tender axle weight is higher so the loco's route availability was no better than a Std 5. I think proportionally the BR1B suits the 4-6-0 marginally better than the Mogul, but there's no doubt the BR2 gives far superior visibility when running tender first.
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
Coal traffic for Londinium diverted onto the GCR.
Mike.
Mike.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.
The BR1Bs give the Standard 4 a much better all-around figure and do indeed make them look like mini Standard 5s. Given how much of the Southern Network was electrified by the time the 4s appeared, I'm not surprised that such a measure was needed, but nevertheless they certainly lived up to the name of the N and U Class locos they replaced along the South Coast!
I have a similar opinion about GWR Granges and Manors carrying 4000 Gal Collett Tenders, but some of the GWR Puritans on Discord might skin me alive for that!
2995Valliant
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4000gal tenders definitely don't belong behind a Manor (and I'm not sure any were ever used behind them again because of axle loadings) but they look fine behind a Grange (which were frequently attached to them anyway - in fact a 3500gal looks wrong behind a Grange to me) as at the end of the day a Grange is just a Hall with little wheels.I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.
The BR1Bs give the Standard 4 a much better all-around figure and do indeed make them look like mini Standard 5s. Given how much of the Southern Network was electrified by the time the 4s appeared, I'm not surprised that such a measure was needed, but nevertheless they certainly lived up to the name of the N and U Class locos they replaced along the South Coast!
I have a similar opinion about GWR Granges and Manors carrying 4000 Gal Collett Tenders, but some of the GWR Puritans on Discord might skin me alive for that!
Someone on NatPres (Jamessquared) recently described GWR loco policy beautifully, and I hope he won't mind me quoting him here:
"The GWR only actually had four loco designs: an 0-4-2T that photographic evidence shows could only manage to pull one carriage; a matchbox on six wheels; another tank engine that originated from the prairies of the US always hauling a set of two carriages called “B”; and a general purpose 4-6-0 called Saint Kingcastle Hall (or Manor). Normal operating practice was for Saint Kingcastle Hall (or Manor) to stop at a station adjacent to the sea (or flower bed) where one of the one coach trains was waiting. The one coach train would then run to a terminus along the “Bacon Lettuce and Tomato” line (generally shortened to a BLT) where it would run into a bay platform, while one of the American prairies would be in the main platform and the matchbox on wheels would spend the entire day shunting a single siding in the company of an amphibious brake van."
Now it's possible he's spent too long reading Railway Modeller, but it made me laugh.
PortLineParker
UK Route Builder
8F 48033 again - this time on a passenger turn from Bournemouth to Bath. Today we're only going to follow it as far as Broadstone but we can see that it has a real mixed rake of carriages, including those from the SR, LMS and LNER.
Cheers,
PLP
Cheers,
PLP
