TUME’s Simulation of “The Milwaukee Road”
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Trainz_12_fan_100
yes thats my name
This thread just brought the biggest Milwaukee Road foamer. I have been a big fan of the MILW because my grandfather is. He has photos everywhere dating back as far as 1932.
@tume is it possible to have your Milwaukee Road Little Joe in the Hiawatha scheme released? I've seen it before haul the Hiawatha on a old Pentrex DVD I have and would get some screenshots in if you do decide to release it. I'm pretty sure you have said what happened to the S3 project, but I have not read it yet. I'm being very patient for the S3 and your new route project. Cannot wait for it to be completed!!!
@normhart nice screenshots!
@tume is it possible to have your Milwaukee Road Little Joe in the Hiawatha scheme released? I've seen it before haul the Hiawatha on a old Pentrex DVD I have and would get some screenshots in if you do decide to release it. I'm pretty sure you have said what happened to the S3 project, but I have not read it yet. I'm being very patient for the S3 and your new route project. Cannot wait for it to be completed!!!
@normhart nice screenshots!
Hello Trainz_12_fan_100,
thank you for your compliment
Well – yes I really plan to release all of the electrics in different color schemes. But first I need to bring it all up to the latest standards. That means I need to fix some mesh problems I once created by myself as I did not have the experiences I have now. Also I need to create normal mapping and season change support for that locos and I need to create or to improve the driver cab interiors for the EP2 and the EP3.
So it will be released, but I cannot tell you when
Your’s TUME
thank you for your compliment
Well – yes I really plan to release all of the electrics in different color schemes. But first I need to bring it all up to the latest standards. That means I need to fix some mesh problems I once created by myself as I did not have the experiences I have now. Also I need to create normal mapping and season change support for that locos and I need to create or to improve the driver cab interiors for the EP2 and the EP3.
So it will be released, but I cannot tell you when
Your’s TUME
jawbreakerlvl.20
LNERMALLARD4468
Hello TUME, I was curious if your Milw S3 Northerns are included in the Avery Drexel route as I have been trying to find a way to get the S3. If there is a way can you please tell me what that way could possibly be?
Regards,
LNERMALLARD4468
Regards,
LNERMALLARD4468
daylightrain
Development Purgatory.
A bit of a history question. Is there a reason why the BN and later BNSF didn't continue the use of Milwaukee Road's electric engines? It seems odd to not make use of hundreds of miles world of electric track.
@ jawbreakerlvl.20
The S3 has not been finished yet! I am doing a few portions work at it continuously which unfortunately creates a slow progress. Especially I need to finish the driver cab interior. In addition to this I am about to create new wheels. The wheels I am using now does not fulfill the latest standards and it looks not too nice. I will keep using it, but in lower LOD-steps. Well and I need to apply LOD and season change support to the whole thing.
@ daylightrain
Yes there is a reason. The Milwaukee Road went bankrupt as a full diesel operational road.
The resignation of President John P. Kiley and his replacement by the rather inexperienced William John Quinn in 1957 was a decisive moment; From this time a war management to resolve the merger with another company.
As far as I know in 1972 General Motors offered to undertake a full modernization of all electrical equipment including the substations, new locomotives as well as to close the not electrified gap between Avery, Id and Othello, Wa to a total amount of 39 Million Dollar. Articles in the Internet says that this amount could have been calculated down to about 18 Million Dollars – mostly because of synergy effects this new electrification would have created. For example the surplus of diesel locomotives could have been used elsewhere in the network saving money to buy new required diesels for these lines. But the MILW rejected this offer – unfortunately. But it fits well to the concentration of the management to solve any problems with mergers. For a merger the short profit is more important than anything else. The final kick to discontinue the electrification came as the coper price raised up in the 70’s. Unfortunately it dropped down before the trolley wires could have been dismantled and sold, but the physical equipment was unreturnable destroyed. In addition to this the transcontinental traffic increased at the Milwaukee Road but the diesels could not haul it. More diesels became necessary and the MILW purchased a new fleet of diesels – ironically for a total amount of 39 Million Dollars!!! If not that tragically, it could be funny. Any badly required general track maintenance did not appear as well and the trains became slower and slower while derailment happened far more often. This eventually guided into the spiral downward. Articles in the Internet says that the transcontinental line remained profitable and the decision to close it was a result of the leak of money to undertake major track maintenance. At that time other RRs did not want to take the line over. Therefore it has been dismantled and the rails became scrapped. Unfortunately the increase of rail traffic in the mid-90’s came too late for any plans to use the old MILW-transcon-line inside the network of other RRs.
Please note I have got this knowledge from several different internet pages. Therefore I cannot guarantee to be absolutely right here or have the things completely set out.
Your’s TUME
The S3 has not been finished yet! I am doing a few portions work at it continuously which unfortunately creates a slow progress. Especially I need to finish the driver cab interior. In addition to this I am about to create new wheels. The wheels I am using now does not fulfill the latest standards and it looks not too nice. I will keep using it, but in lower LOD-steps. Well and I need to apply LOD and season change support to the whole thing.
@ daylightrain
Yes there is a reason. The Milwaukee Road went bankrupt as a full diesel operational road.
The resignation of President John P. Kiley and his replacement by the rather inexperienced William John Quinn in 1957 was a decisive moment; From this time a war management to resolve the merger with another company.
As far as I know in 1972 General Motors offered to undertake a full modernization of all electrical equipment including the substations, new locomotives as well as to close the not electrified gap between Avery, Id and Othello, Wa to a total amount of 39 Million Dollar. Articles in the Internet says that this amount could have been calculated down to about 18 Million Dollars – mostly because of synergy effects this new electrification would have created. For example the surplus of diesel locomotives could have been used elsewhere in the network saving money to buy new required diesels for these lines. But the MILW rejected this offer – unfortunately. But it fits well to the concentration of the management to solve any problems with mergers. For a merger the short profit is more important than anything else. The final kick to discontinue the electrification came as the coper price raised up in the 70’s. Unfortunately it dropped down before the trolley wires could have been dismantled and sold, but the physical equipment was unreturnable destroyed. In addition to this the transcontinental traffic increased at the Milwaukee Road but the diesels could not haul it. More diesels became necessary and the MILW purchased a new fleet of diesels – ironically for a total amount of 39 Million Dollars!!! If not that tragically, it could be funny. Any badly required general track maintenance did not appear as well and the trains became slower and slower while derailment happened far more often. This eventually guided into the spiral downward. Articles in the Internet says that the transcontinental line remained profitable and the decision to close it was a result of the leak of money to undertake major track maintenance. At that time other RRs did not want to take the line over. Therefore it has been dismantled and the rails became scrapped. Unfortunately the increase of rail traffic in the mid-90’s came too late for any plans to use the old MILW-transcon-line inside the network of other RRs.
Please note I have got this knowledge from several different internet pages. Therefore I cannot guarantee to be absolutely right here or have the things completely set out.
Your’s TUME
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daylightrain
Development Purgatory.
@tume Fascinating. It is truly unfortunate, that one of the few electrified freight lines was lost to history. I suppose the purchase of more diesels was justified though, as they could be used anywhere instead of just on a few segments of the railroad. It would have been cool to have seen BN maybe purchase some of GE's E60 locomotives and used those, as they where originally designed for hauling freight, and later BNSF might have overseen the development of AEM-7 variants designed for freight service. Also you have to think about the ability to turn the route into a even better Northeast Corridor. With more room to spread out track, full electrification down to big cities like Chicago or the Twin Cities, and with smoother, more gradual curves we could have had a high speed route passenger route running from the midwest to the pacific coast.
blueodessey
Well-known member
Thank you for the Story forward on the demise of Milwaukee Line, what a shame, unfortunately not the the only Fallen Flag to fall for short term Gain and or Corporate Raiders!
Greed is a terrible thing, and unfortunately for us, it is quite alive and doing well at the Cost of?
Greed is a terrible thing, and unfortunately for us, it is quite alive and doing well at the Cost of?
I have heard that supposedly, an accounting error was to blame for the closing of the Pacific Extension - misplaced decimal made it appear that it was losing money instead of making money... which, of course, it was was making money. If they weren't dead by then, that killed 'em for sure. Too bad, really unique railroad.
Cheers,
SM
Cheers,
SM
Jimbiglion
261 Train Crew
I planning to commission K&L Trainz to do the S3 Northern this project will come out around 2019
Hello,
here some screens from my work at the MILWAUKEE-Alberton-Avery-Route. Last week I could take the project over from T:ANE SP1 to SP2. The terrain only route does not provide all the relief details exactly enough. Therefore a lot of manually work is required to make the ground structure appearing simillar to the real thing. The surface modelling goes hand in hand with checking the real area in Google-Maps. As you can see I use a lot of helper splines to get the river bank cliffs and slopes into the right shape.
These screens indicates the area betwen Tarkio and Cyr, Mt. At present two parts of the Interstate 90 goes across the old MILW-ROW and the former Highway 10. Back in the early 70's the Interstate 90 consisted only the northern part of the road and used to be simillar to a ordinary two-lane-road.
Also there are some news about the 4-8-4. During the last time I could collect a lot of pictures to work out textures for the driver cab interior. In addition to this I continued to fix several texture issues. Still the progress is slow, but there is progress
I hope I will be able to come up with some screens in about two weeks.
Your's TUME
here some screens from my work at the MILWAUKEE-Alberton-Avery-Route. Last week I could take the project over from T:ANE SP1 to SP2. The terrain only route does not provide all the relief details exactly enough. Therefore a lot of manually work is required to make the ground structure appearing simillar to the real thing. The surface modelling goes hand in hand with checking the real area in Google-Maps. As you can see I use a lot of helper splines to get the river bank cliffs and slopes into the right shape.
These screens indicates the area betwen Tarkio and Cyr, Mt. At present two parts of the Interstate 90 goes across the old MILW-ROW and the former Highway 10. Back in the early 70's the Interstate 90 consisted only the northern part of the road and used to be simillar to a ordinary two-lane-road.
Also there are some news about the 4-8-4. During the last time I could collect a lot of pictures to work out textures for the driver cab interior. In addition to this I continued to fix several texture issues. Still the progress is slow, but there is progress
I hope I will be able to come up with some screens in about two weeks.
Your's TUME
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Trainz_12_fan_100
yes thats my name
Quick question TUME, do you have any screenshots for the 4-8-4?
Hello - no, not any new screens from the 4-8-4.
But as I wrote above!!! - "Still the progress is slow, but there is progress
I hope I will be able to come up with some screens in about two weeks."Of course in this thread the screenshots are the most important thing, but I recommend to read the text lines in here as well - because mostly it provides important additional Information
Trainz_12_fan_100
yes thats my name
Thanks for the response TUME. Also, great progress with the route.
You know, almost every railroad had something that made them stick out from others. For example, the Southern Pacific were the only ones to have cabforwards, and the way they had most of there GS class northerns, those are things that made the SP stick out. Same thing for the Pennsy. They never had northerns, and they were the only ones who had duplexes. But for the Milwaukee? The looks of certain steamers, the fact that they ran over the Rocky Mountains, and the Bi-Polars, Quill Drives, and the Little Joes. Every 1950's era railroads were all unique.
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