Trainz "Next" is announced...

I again wish a dedicated server software for Trainz multiplayer driver and editor. For something like this I would pay for a subscription.

I don't want to pay periodically for the software and in the end i paid a multipe amount of the one-time price before, when unsubscriping i got - right - nothing.

I could understand if there's the option to buy the game and needing e.g. the FCT for using (faster?) the multiplayer option, but please - no additional subscription.

Another point: Your servers have been quite unreliable in the past (I'm with Trainz since...2001?) and at least here from germany they were also not really fast with a high ping-value... this hasn't really changed over the years. It would be so much better to offer dedicated servers for multiplayer options (see first sentence), but i guess this will never happen...
 
-Basti- said:
Your servers have been quite unreliable in the past (I'm with Trainz since...2001?) and at least here from germany they were also not really fast with a high ping-value... this hasn't really changed over the years. It would be so much better to offer dedicated servers for multiplayer options (see first sentence), but i guess this will never happen...
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Tony_Hilliam said:
We are in the process of updating the DLS servers - with the increased usage this year we're hitting the server limits more often (even though increased usage would come as a shock to those who think our userbase is shrinking). It should be sorted out next week.
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I'm going to have to pay $$ regularly now? Uh, yeah, no.. Even paying for an FCT each year was starting to bug me. I do not play trainz enough to make a subscription worth it
 
I don't profess to know the answer/s, but one thing is crystal clear to me, and I assume everyone else with an ounce of a brain, is that N3V need to continue to generate a constant income stream to keep their doors open.

Now whether that income stream includes a subscription model, who knows. Me personally, I'd be happy to buy the next version of Trainz, (Tane 2), warts & all, and I'm happy to continue buying FCT's, DLC, etc... By doing this, I feel like I'm doing my part to help them keep their doors open.

Now does Tane 1 still need some work done on it, of-course it does!!! In the meantime, are hot-fixes and service packs going to pay the bills. Nope!!!

As for what's next, I'm just taking a wait and see attitude...

Don't know whether I would be prepared to pay an annual subscription!. A lot would depend on price, what's on offer, and whether "what's on offer" interests me. (multi-player in any form has never interested me personally, but there might be thousands out there that are interested in it).

Well just have to wait and see what eventuates.

In the meantime, happy trainzing.

Cheers, Mac...
 
It will be just like the Lottery ... you have to PAY ... to PLAY

Several years ago I stated that Trainz will someday all be Payware ... That time may be coming sooner than we thought
 
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meatloaf747 said:
I don't profess to know the answer/s, but one thing is crystal clear to me, and I assume everyone else with an ounce of a brain, is that N3V need to continue to generate a constant income stream to keep their doors open.

....

Now does Tane 1 still need some work done on it, of-course it does!!! In the meantime, are hot-fixes and service packs going to pay the bills. Nope!!!
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Well said meatloaf (loved your "Bat Out Of Hell" album by the way), it is unfortunate that some posters simply do not get either of the above points and other realities. While they had a legitimate axe to grind about the "consumer readiness" of T:ANE when it was first released last May, they continue to peddle the same complaints and expect a different result - Einstein said something about that in a different context, but the conclusion is still the same.

As for what's next, I'm just taking a wait and see attitude...
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I think that is the best option - wait and see what they offer. If the subscription model, pricing or multiplayer Surveyor (or even TANE 2/NEXT) does not suit you, then you don't have to buy it.
 
I posted much earlier in the tread with my feelings. I did and have since reread the original article. Yes I understand that N3V need to keep making money to continue development. But that does not mean to say that I have to either agree with or like the direction they have indicated that they want to go in. Like many others have stated - I am not really interested in multiplay, and I am certainly not interested in pay-to-play. It would therefore for me and many others be helpful if N3V would elaborate on the 'other' options that we are told will be available. What other pay methods will be offered? What other advances in the game will be made that will help tempt us?
Im sure everyone would agree that knowing what is going to be offered will help a more informed decision. For me - like many others - I will wait and see what is going to be offered before deciding.
 
Whilst I understand the attraction of a subscription model to N3V, from a subscribers view - I have had experience of subscription services in the past and the comments I am seeing from N3V that you can pick up or put down your subscription at will are far from clear. In my experience to cancel a subscription means jumping through hoops not only with the supplier but also with your bank, all of which takes time and effort.
Not all of us would be in a position to facilitate such actions within the timescales required by the various organizations and I can see many people running into problems created by such a system.
Just my thoughts
Keith
 
cascaderailroad said:
Several years ago I stated that Trainz will someday all be Payware ... That time may be coming sooner than we thought
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Hello Cas --

Disagree there, sir ... Trainz will always be an open game .... regardless what features they may add that would require a charge!

And, who's to say that such charges could not be affordable?
Time will tell, of course, and the end-cost will determine who will jump on board!

Kind Regards
Ish
 
And, who's to say that such charges could not be affordable?
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What is "affordable" to some, is not necessarily "affordable" to others.

Do we then presume that more staff have been hired by N3v then ? .....
.... or is T:ane being fixed on an 'ad hoc' basis, by the odd 1 or 2 that can be spared from
the 'Next' project, on an 'as & when' it suits basis ?
 
ish6 said:
That's everyday life!!!

Ish
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It is for me at present, problem is, there are millions of people out there that think 50p (70 cents roughly) is nothing, well when
you ain't even got 50p to call your own, it's a bloody big deal.
Not all of us are currently working, some of us (like me) due to IDS & his "Benefit Reforms", can't even get 'Jobseekers Allowance', so
have absolutely NO income, but because of government rules, we STILL have all our living expenses to pay.
 
I wouldn't subscribe even if the subscription was free, TBQH. I couldn't, even if I was willing to, due to the lack of an internet connection on my gaming PC. And I wouldn't as a matter of principle, because subscription-based software is a lousy deal for the customer.
 
Why is subscription-based a lousy deal? Without knowing the exact cost breakdown, it might even be less expensive than having to pay a large upfront cost. If you later decide that it was not what you wanted, you would be out a large amount whereas on a subscription it might only be a small amount.

As for the lack of Internet connection, if that is a personal choice rather than no Internet at all at the location, then it's not a consideration in the equation.
 
BLACKWATCH said:
...well when you ain't even got 50p to call your own, it's a bloody big deal...
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My sympathies if even 50p is a major expense. By that reasoning, every pastime should be free because some people can't afford them. Or should we go to an ability-to-pay basis? Say an x% of your income?
 
martinvk said:
Why is subscription-based a lousy deal? Without knowing the exact cost breakdown, it might even be less expensive than having to pay a large upfront cost. If you later decide that it was not what you wanted, you would be out a large amount whereas on a subscription it might only be a small amount.
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We've been over this before. You pay far more for the same product over time. In fact, quite often over a relatively short cycle, and thus well within typical software lifecycles, often less than 2 years. That's *why* software manufacturers are moving to SaaS models in the first place.

As for the lack of Internet connection, if that is a personal choice rather than no Internet at all at the location, then it's not a consideration in the equation.
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Not really; having Trainz perform decently because I don't need A/V software, a firewall, etc. bogging my system down is kind of a necessity.
 
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