Trainz and DRM

I'm not well versed on the whole DRM scheme as I don't play any other online games, but I'm one of those that if I am going to buy a version of Trainz, I want the hard copy disc of the core game, or I am not buying it. DLC wise, while the current way it's handled is OK right now as far as N3V goes, I doubt I would buy any more if it became any more "involved". As far as 3rd party content goes, if it can't be used offline I probably wouldn't buy it.

As far as Steam goes, I won't have anything to do with it or any product that is solely available from there.
 
I don't have internet where I live at so any of the on-line check type DRM is a no go with me. It has kept me from upgrading to 2012 SP1 and if it is included in future versions will prevent my purchase of them.
 
boc61 said:
I'm not well versed on the whole DRM scheme as I don't play any other online games, but I'm one of those that if I am going to buy a version of Trainz, I want the hard copy disc of the core game, or I am not buying it. DLC wise, while the current way it's handled is OK right now as far as N3V goes, I doubt I would buy any more if it became any more "involved". As far as 3rd party content goes, if it can't be used offline I probably wouldn't buy it.

As far as Steam goes, I won't have anything to do with it or any product that is solely available from there.
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Hi Boc,

From what I saw in the Ipswich Museum video, the new TANE will be the whole shebang as we know it now and will be available via disks and online. As far as DRM, we don't know and everyone here is speculating as usual. :)

John
 
Hi John,

Maybe it is splitting hairs, maybe it was a fluke on one side or the other, I don't know, what I do know is that for me, as a consumer/average home user, I have never experienced Windows7 or MS Office (2007) giving me an error or validation message that it must check for such validation, or have it stop working, on my machine that has only ever seen the internet once, when it was first set up and all software loaded, registered and validated.

I did have an issue on several occasions with my desktop machine that I built, which IS online, which uses an OEM version of Windows7, where I had installed an ms update, and that update was overly aggressive...telling me my legitamate version was not genuine. It is a documented (on Microsofts web site) issue with that particular update. The issue was resolved by removing the update.
 
KingConrail76 said:
Hi John,

Maybe it is splitting hairs, maybe it was a fluke on one side or the other, I don't know, what I do know is that for me, as a consumer/average home user, I have never experienced Windows7 or MS Office (2007) giving me an error or validation message that it must check for such validation, or have it stop working, on my machine that has only ever seen the internet once, when it was first set up and all software loaded, registered and validated.

I did have an issue on several occasions with my desktop machine that I built, which IS online, which uses an OEM version of Windows7, where I had installed an ms update, and that update was overly aggressive...telling me my legitamate version was not genuine. It is a documented (on Microsofts web site) issue with that particular update. The issue was resolved by removing the update.
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I never got that patch but I did read about it when I was researching my issue. I think I had a visit by LGM (Little Green Men) who decided to flip a few bits on me. Software can do weird things sometimes. These are truly the cases of the unexplained. :)

John
 
I see that even after meeting Tony's request, to discuss DRM outside of the TANE thread, neither he, nor anyone else from N3V are willing to answer our questions...

Seems that just about sums it up. At this point, I am unwilling to part with my funds for a project by a company unwilling to address serious concerns, be-it from one user, or many.
 
He asked to keep this circus out of the NE thread, he didn't say they would rush over to join it. I am sure you will all find your answers soon enough.
 
norfolksouthern37 said:
He asked to keep this circus out of the NE thread, he didn't say they would rush over to join it. I am sure you will all find your answers soon enough.
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It only turned into a circus by a handful of N3V "fan boys" who get bent if you just breath wrong in the direction of Australia. God forbid anyone actually question their business plan.

I have questions I want answered, and Tony gave me the impression that he would do that. I guess it is more of "Give me your money and get what I give you".

No Thanks.
 
KingConrail76 said:
It only turned into a circus by a handful of N3V "fan boys" who get bent if you just breath wrong in the direction of Australia. God forbid anyone actually question their business plan.
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Ain't that the truth! Oh, and one guy who just loves to argue even when he agrees with you...

As for the unresponsiveness of N3V, I'll give Tony a bit of benefit of the doubt, as he's not currently active in the other threads, either. But I do expect a response around 11/13, and maybe I'll give him a day or two to let the KS stuff settle a little. Absent a demur, we can safely assume the worst.

Oddly enough, one can go back and look at this thread and it seems that one of the few areas in which both sides seem to agree is that full-game DRM is likely.

As somebody who's in a position to be a major financial supporter of this project - probably far more than all the pro- and neutral-DRM folks in this thread combined - there is no way I'll even consider pledging without absolute assurances of no more DRM.
 
oh I highly doubt that...

Why would you continue to make such comments without an answer to your first post? Your constant self-justification of your view is surprising at the very least. I mean no disrespect, but just who are you trying to convince here?
 
norfolksouthern37 said:
oh I highly doubt that...

Why would you continue to make such comments without an answer to your first post? Your constant self-justification of your view is surprising at the very least. I mean no disrespect, but just who are you trying to convince here?
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Highly doubt what?

N3V has been given plenty of opportunity to reply and still has it. What's so difficult to understand about that concept?
 
RRSignal said:
Ain't that the truth! Oh, and one guy who just loves to argue even when he agrees with you...
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I can't understand why you don't think you should have to justify your position, the same as anyone else who posts on a forum. Still never mind, at least we're bumping the thread eh?
 
amigacooke said:
I can't understand why you don't think you should have to justify your position, the same as anyone else who posts on a forum.
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Do you mean with respect to the original post or just you? The original post was long and detailed enough and justified my position, and then some; if you cannot understand it, it's either a reading problem on your end or an unwillingness to accept opinions other than your own. In your specific case, I'll add a third possibility - that you seem to feel the need to argue for the sake of arguing. I don't think most of the N3V fanboys fall into that category, though. I also left a whole lot out of the first post, in the interest of keeping things civil.
 
Interestingly, it seems like the only thing the pro/neutral-DRM folks (i.e. fanboys) have to support their case are either personal attacks or patently false info, i.e. posts 24, 41, and 107, for example.
 
amigacooke said:
I took issue with your contention that a KickStarter project is an indication of financial weakness. That was all.

The personal stuff is irrelevant to the issue.
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You don't have to "raise funds" (N3V's wording) if you already have the money for a project.

But, ok, let's drop this. N3V has billions of dollars and can never, ever go out of business and nobody is on Kickstarter because finances are a concern. Happy now?
 
RRSignal said:
Interestingly, it seems like the only thing the pro/neutral-DRM folks (i.e. fanboys) have to support their case are either personal attacks or patently false info...
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This post would seem to indicate that is also your method. So whoever does not take your side is a 'fanboy' or are you only attacking Shane?
 
norfolksouthern37 said:
This post would seem to indicate that is also your method. So whoever does not take your side is a 'fanboy' or are you only attacking Shane?
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Not really attacking, but, sure, mostly it's Shane. So-called "fanboys" and pro/neutral folks, though tend to overlap. There are only two or three solidly, hardcore pro/neutral DRM people participating in this thread and about the same number that just seem to love to argue (yourself included, no offense) but who are neutral or against DRM.
 
I don't recall arguing with anyone. This has been more observing and asking (also answering) questions in my view. My initial post in this thread was to say you had outlined your points very well and that little could be added to that - and to suggest you look into KS a bit more before making the kinds of statements you were. Since then you have not only added but repeated and made your point many times.

You did ask some good questions, why not wait for an answer to them without all the wild speculation? Why bring your thread to near irreparable silliness with the attacks and constant chant of anti-DRM? I mean like it or not you will get an answer. It doesn't matter how many times you say you will not support them.
 
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