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Yes bob, you are correct, that's what airline sims are for - better make the mistake in a sim rather than having 250 living souls behind you eating their lunch without a care in the world and oblivious to the pilot going off the scope in the cockpit lol.


This is going to be my last post on this topic, because I would suspect that all the forum members are ready to pull their hair out reading all this stuff about flight sims. The idea behind a flight sim is to properly train a pilot. Anyone flying a 737 sim, should be at the stage in his or her pilot training, where if they are high or fast on a approach , no matter what they are flying, recognize that immediately and do a go around, which this person did not do. Instead he made a botched landing 1/2 down the runway, weaving the centerline to boot . That is the kind of piloting that kills people. A private pilot in a single engine Cessna prior to soloing with 10-15 hours , knows better than to do what this person did in the video. The pilot in the video needs to get a CFI, and take some dual lessons in a real aircraft and learn how to fly before even thinking about getting into a 737NG sim. All he is doing is reinforcing bad habits.

I'm done....
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/part-135/72080-does-sim-time-count-total-time.html


Ciao
 
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G'day!

Guys, lets keep this thread "On Track" as this is a Trainz Simulator forum. ( Bad pun there... )

Cheers!

Jake.
 
This is going to be my last post on this topic, because I would suspect that all the forum members are ready to pull their hair out reading all this stuff about flight sims. The idea behind a flight sim is to properly train a pilot. Anyone flying a 737 sim, should be at the stage in his or her pilot training, where if they are high or fast on a approach , no matter what they are flying, recognize that immediately and do a go around, which this person did not do. Instead he made a botched landing 1/2 down the runway, weaving the centerline to boot . That is the kind of piloting that kills people. A private pilot in a single engine Cessna prior to soloing with 10-15 hours , knows better than to do what this person did in the video. The pilot in the video needs to get a CFI, and take some dual lessons in a real aircraft and learn how to fly before even thinking about getting into a 737NG sim. All he is doing is reinforcing bad habits.

I'm done....
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/part-135/72080-does-sim-time-count-total-time.html


Ciao
Firstly, only those interested will read. It was your own "experience as a pilot" that carried the thread this route, since we cant really discuss the original intended topic without bringing the worst out in people.

Bob, you are stuck in the dark times, you are not an active pilot, you have messed about on what are now considered old crates. Flight sim time is part and parcel of flight training now, in any area, be it military or commercial.

The pilot in the videos was not a certified pilot at the time, he was just beginning his career.
I accused you earlier of seeking out the negative in everyone else's posts. Go back and read your answers the past few days - can you see that trait in yourself?

Goodbye Bob, I find you draining, and to be honest I think you are a waffler, you cut and paste extracts from topics you Google trying to look intelligent about a particular science just so as it can seem you can put a poster down and seem more intelligent than them. When I posted the sim video which showed some partial footage called " Landing at Shannon" you googled Shannon for a flight sim school and then stuck the link up here assuming it was mine, just to emphasize the point you were trying to make around certification.

Bob, if you knew anything about Sims, you would know they are loaded with up to 35000 world airports, some even more. The videos could have been from anywhere - the 2nd video featured Hong Kong and New York as well.

You gotta change for 2013 Bob, you can't keep up this type of destructive personality till the grave.
 
Firstly, only those interested will read. It was your own "experience as a pilot" that carried the thread this route, since we cant really discuss the original intended topic without bringing the worst out in people.

Bob, you are stuck in the dark times, you are not an active pilot, you have messed about on what are now considered old crates. Flight sim time is part and parcel of flight training now, in any area, be it military or commercial.

The pilot in the videos was not a certified pilot at the time, he was just beginning his career.
I accused you earlier of seeking out the negative in everyone else's posts. Go back and read your answers the past few days - can you see that trait in yourself?

Goodbye Bob, I find you draining, and to be honest I think you are a waffler, you cut and paste extracts from topics you Google trying to look intelligent about a particular science just so as it can seem you can put a poster down and seem more intelligent than them. When I posted the sim video which showed some partial footage called " Landing at Shannon" you googled Shannon for a flight sim school and then stuck the link up here assuming it was mine, just to emphasize the point you were trying to make around certification.

Bob, if you knew anything about Sims, you would know they are loaded with up to 35000 world airports, some even more. The videos could have been from anywhere - the 2nd video featured Hong Kong and New York as well.

You gotta change for 2013 Bob, you can't keep up this type of destructive personality till the grave.

Clancy you are one of the biggest BS artists I have ever met on the internet. No matter what anyone says, you try to twist it to fit your preconceived notion of how things should be, and then if they don't agree with you , you start with the insults. You have done that do several people on this thread, calling them names, cursing at them like a 10 year old kid. I am putting you in my ignore file on this forum, because I can't deal with your childish rants anymore. You can't back up anything you say, just like you never did show us where you supposedly got the info that you put in your OP on this thread, even though you were asked repeatedly to post where this info came from.


Your typical comments to other forum members like this one show how you react to other people's opinions:

"Clam, you need to re read the post, reign your neck in and put your brain in motion before engaging your keyboard. I did not start any rumour, I clearly have stated it came from other forums and 3rd party creators. As for threads being closed out and locked, that is because users like you cannot engage in a conversation without puffing out your nutsak and insulting someone else. What age are u? Four?"

That is type of the garbage that you post when someone disagrees with your wild claims.

You make up stuff, like your claim that Auran has no interest developing Trainz anymore, without one ounce of fact to back up any of your wild claims. And if someone dares to disagree with you or call you on it, you go crazy..... You are just angry because you were caught lying in your OP, and are PO'd that a few people had the nerve to point it out ..... Bye, and have a nice life.....:mop:
 
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I don't think Auran are working on Android compatiblity, they have other things to worry about. I don't think they're working on a new game engine either, as it would obsolete every single piece of content currently existing. Don't worry, I'm sure we'll see a new Trainz in the future. And Clancy2012, please show evidence to back up your claims when you make them, or nobody will take you seriously, me included.
 
"you cut and paste extracts from topics you Google trying to look intelligent about a particular science just so as it can seem you can put a poster down and seem more intelligent than them."

This is actually called citing your sources, a common enough technique to provide some evidence that what you are talking about isn't just made up.
 
I don't think Auran are working on Android compatiblity, they have other things to worry about. I don't think they're working on a new game engine either, as it would obsolete every single piece of content currently existing. Don't worry, I'm sure we'll see a new Trainz in the future. And Clancy2012, please show evidence to back up your claims when you make them, or nobody will take you seriously, me included.


I agree with you, changing the game engine would really bother most of the current users if it weren't backward compatible. I have a so many routes in TS12, that I forget to run some of them now, and I have only been collecting them since last summer. To have them all be obsolete, when a new version of Trainz comes out, would convince me to stick with TS12. I think there are many people that stick with TS10 and never added TS12 because of the loss of compatibility with older content. I feel that fixing some bugs, and changing a few features in the next version, would make most of the people want to get the new version.
 
I too would hate to see this thread locked. I find the product comparision very fascinating. There really are a lot of similarities yet differences (outside of the that being that they're both train sims).

As far as citing sources, oh boy. This will be like doing a college paper! :) If we do need to cite information, which I tend to do on occasions, put in a URL, or other source of information. It does back up the validity of a point.

Remember, Trainz and Train Simulator xxxxx are games. This is supposed to be fun, and when this isn't fun anymore, we find something else to do that is. (Huh????) We're not driving the real thing, we're not driving in one of those $100,000,000 real-life simulator units. We're playing this on a personal computer. We can get a close feeling of what's like to drive a freight over the mountains, such as in the Mojave Pass in Cab-mode, but this is NOT the same.

Speaking of simulators. I'm thinking about getting Rail Driver. Is it worth the investment?

John
 
I too would hate to see this thread locked. I find the product comparision very fascinating. There really are a lot of similarities yet differences (outside of the that being that they're both train sims).

As far as citing sources, oh boy. This will be like doing a college paper! :) If we do need to cite information, which I tend to do on occasions, put in a URL, or other source of information. It does back up the validity of a point.

Remember, Trainz and Train Simulator xxxxx are games. This is supposed to be fun, and when this isn't fun anymore, we find something else to do that is. (Huh????) We're not driving the real thing, we're not driving in one of those $100,000,000 real-life simulator units. We're playing this on a personal computer. We can get a close feeling of what's like to drive a freight over the mountains, such as in the Mojave Pass in Cab-mode, but this is NOT the same.

Speaking of simulators. I'm thinking about getting Rail Driver. Is it worth the investment?

John

I purchased a Raildriver, a week or two after I got Trainz. My friends thought I was crazy spending $200 for a gizmo to run a train, but from the day I got it, I love it. The only thing I found unnecessary is the speaker that is built in, which is like a small woofer that allows you to feel the vibrations of the loco sounds, though the control handles. Within a couple of weeks, the DC jack on the back of the Raildriver, became defective, and to change it, the entire Raildriver would have to be returned to them. I could have replaced the jack easily myself, but RD won't sell you the jack, and to find one that fits exactly, and where it is located on the PCB makes it not worth the trouble to fix it. The rest of the RD is built like a tank, and should last forever.

The big problem, in the beginning was that controlling steam engines with the RD, was not possible, but a workaround was posted on this forum a couple of months ago, and it is just a matter of adding the engine spec of your steam loco to a list of engines the RD controls. I never operate a train without the RD, except if I am just testing something for a minute or two. It is worth every penny to me. http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...esolution-for-Raildriver-Steam-Engine-Problem

That being said, if you prefer DCC mode, I am not sure the RD would be something that you would find useful, although it does work in DCC mode.
 
It depends on how much you are likely to use it.

Shane

P.S. The main reason I can see this thread getting locked is because a few users in this thread are personally attacking other forum users, which I know the moderators don't tolerate.
 
There was never any focus on graphics in airliner simulators, The focus was on replicating the cockpit environment to be an exact duplicate of the actual aircraft that the pilot was training on. The seat material, the tactile feel of the switches in the cockpit and pressure required to activate them, the sounds, the motion if it was a level D sim, everything had to be exactly right. The flight dynamics in the sim are created by data taken from test flights at the aircraft manufacturer, like Boeing. They look at the data during actual flight conditions, and pick the data from the average aircraft , out of all the samples they have, and that becomes the physics of the particular simulator they are programming. That is how they can program a scenario into the simulator, of an emergency, and the sim will react exactly as the real aircraft would in the exact same situation.

The computer that runs the motion part of the simulator, which costs about 1 1/2 million dollars by itself, has to be controlled by some of the main sim computers which are contained in several cabinets in back of the simulator cockpit which are about 6 feet high, by 3 feet wide and deep. It's motion has to create the illusion of acceleration, pitch ,climbing, descending, yaw, and roll and all combinations of these conditions of flight, so that the pilot is totally immersed in the sensation of flying the actual aircraft. When you apply takeoff thrust, you will be pushed back into your seat as you would in the real aircraft. If you abort the takeoff, and you don't have your seatbelt on, your will be thrown out of your seat and hurled against the front of the instrument panel, which you don't want to have happen. As you taxi to the active runway, you can even feel the bumps in the taxiway which are programmed into the sim software.

I flew a Delta 767-400 ER sim in Atlanta, and the graphics showed the airport, the interstates that go by the airport, the Marta Train, that runs into the airport, and the ramps and taxiways. There is no scenery as you would see in Trainz or FSX, because that is not important to the training pilot. What is important is the cockpit environment, the avionics, the behavior of the aircraft, the navaids, the lighting, especially the approach lights in instrument approaches, as well as weather generation. When you land one of the sims in a 200 foot ceiling with 1/4 mile visibility, it must be exactly as you would see out of the windscreen in a real aircraft making the same approach at the same airport under the same conditions.

When the airline receives this simulator from a company like CAE, which makes about 90% of the airline sims in the world, it has to go though an acceptance flight by the FAA just as a real aircraft would. If the FAA examiner feels that there is something not quite right with the sim he is checking out, he will not sign off on it, and the Airline will not give the sim company a payment for the sim. Without FAA acceptance, it is a 20 million dollar Nintendo game, as far as the airline is concerned. All of the training the pilot gets before he or she carries passengers is done in these simulators, all of it.

This is what it is like if you would like to learn something about this type of sim, which is made by CAE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JUWUKXV08


The idea of doing this type of simulation using a PC, is just ludicrous.

The above is the kind of waffle you obtain from Google results and post as your own Bob.
 
It depends on how much you are likely to use it.

Shane

P.S. The main reason I can see this thread getting locked is because a few users in this thread are personally attacking other forum users, which I know the moderators don't tolerate.

Correct Shane, but some of you folks need to open your eyes and see Bob for what he is. Each day he has a pop at someone different. His problem with me is he does not like how I respond to him. I don't care how long he is a member here, I have absolutely no respect for ignorance and I cetainly will not dance his tune. I have called him out, offered a flag of peace and he still has to go on popping.

He asked for evidence for sim use in training ap's
He has asked for proof that Microsoft issue sim certs which are recognized by flight training schools such as ours, he said it was BS.

On both requests he was provided with links but we did not see any apology come along, instead he moved on to nit picking DJT's posts.

In relation to the OP, i simply did not bookmark the page, Zec later confirmed that their was a "hold" on development. While saying it was due to Xmas break, we all know nothing has been developed for this sim in ages, and TS12 is full of holes and requests from users to address it with a service pack go unheeded.

Bob, your an ignorant man, a waffler, and an obnoxious git. Your attitude stinks and no one should engage with you. Instead of putting me on your ignore list, just ignore the whole forum, cause all your posts in response to any poster are just put downs.You must be the lead "expert on all things! What's wrong Bob, did mamma reject you at birth?
 
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I see where you are coming from, but that will not prevent the moderators from taking action against one or more users in this thread, as well as locking it.

Shane
 
Clancy, do you realise that you are going to get this thread locked if you continue attacking other people's opinions?

Shane

Shane whose opinions did I attack? I called Bob out, and 1 other due to an abusive pm I got. Considering the amount of posters, that use this forum you cannot say I attack peoples opinions, That's way to general. Go and read a reasonable amount of the thread, not just one or 2 posts. Yesterday alone saw Bob shoot down signalman, djt and myself. I am sorry but that kind of crap has got to stop.
 
I purchased a Raildriver, a week or two after I got Trainz. My friends thought I was crazy spending $200 for a gizmo to run a train, but from the day I got it, I love it. The only thing I found unnecessary is the speaker that is built in, which is like a small woofer that allows you to feel the vibrations of the loco sounds, though the control handles. Within a couple of weeks, the DC jack on the back of the Raildriver, became defective, and to change it, the entire Raildriver would have to be returned to them. I could have replaced the jack easily myself, but RD won't sell you the jack, and to find one that fits exactly, and where it is located on the PCB makes it not worth the trouble to fix it. The rest of the RD is built like a tank, and should last forever.

The big problem, in the beginning was that controlling steam engines with the RD, was not possible, but a workaround was posted on this forum a couple of months ago, and it is just a matter of adding the engine spec of your steam loco to a list of engines the RD controls. I never operate a train without the RD, except if I am just testing something for a minute or two. It is worth every penny to me. http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...esolution-for-Raildriver-Steam-Engine-Problem

That being said, if you prefer DCC mode, I am not sure the RD would be something that you would find useful, although it does work in DCC mode.

Thank you, Bob for the insight on the controller.

I use both DCC mode and CAB control. DCC when driving trolley cars and when testing because it's easier just to go for a quick drive to see where the bumps are in the tracks. I'm not much into steam driving at the moment, although that thread really is interesting.

So I may wait a bit and see how it goes. I'm not too much into the throttle-vibrations through a speaker so I'd disconnect that too. It's quite a bit of money to spend on something like that.

John
 
no harm to him and I can understand that Clancy brought this thread up in all innocence and doesn't realise that time after time Railworks is brought up here and it tends to much as much with the words changed. Last time we had a Railworks thread I mused that we would be celebrating a double figure thread soon and only wish I had kept track as must be near it. As usual I make my routine Trainz moan every time RW is brought back here so horses for courses as they say! :'(
 
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