Ongoing Investigation: SP6 Route Performance & Redraw Issues

We were told it was our routes and content that was causing the problem and not the service pack due to the magic lower memory now used by TRS22 and family.
That's a great statement from N3V.
I'm just wondering why my tracks contain almost exclusively DLS content and run without any major issues up to and including build 129876 in TRS 22+.
When I update to 13... I have the same content in the track, "FIND THE BUG."
 
That's a great statement from N3V.
I'm just wondering why my tracks contain almost exclusively DLS content and run without any major issues up to and including build 129876 in TRS 22+.
When I update to 13... I have the same content in the track, "FIND THE BUG."
Exactly!

Speaking of track, I was already using the same track mentioned in N3V's post, the JR Track 5 Pro-track version, used in Kickstarter County 2.
 
We tested and complained, and complained again. When SP6 became a release candidate, it was released anyway even after bug reports were sent in. We were told it was our routes and content that was causing the problem and not the service pack due to the magic lower memory now used by TRS22 and family.

As is typical, the procedure is to blame the users until there's a huge outcry from the community then reluctantly eat crow. We've seen this play out many times over the years.
I haven't upgraded my installation since SP1. I'm still on build 119450. With all the bugs introduced by shoddy coding and unwanted so-called improvements I'm glad I froze my installation. I tell you what John, it's so disheartening the way N3V have approached things that it saps my enthusiasm for something I used to enjoy. I'm on Trainz+ but I will not be renewing it when it's due for renewal. It really annoys me that after all this time they still haven't sorted out the interface for S2.0 or the other improvements we listed. Must be nearly 3-4 years now since S2.0 release. Remember the comment from Tony Hilliam that the interface was just 'eye candy'. We'll fix it later. Yep.

Regards to all,

John
 
I haven't upgraded my installation since SP1. I'm still on build 119450. With all the bugs introduced by shoddy coding and unwanted so-called improvements I'm glad I froze my installation. I tell you what John, it's so disheartening the way N3V have approached things that it saps my enthusiasm for something I used to enjoy. I'm on Trainz+ but I will not be renewing it when it's due for renewal. It really annoys me that after all this time they still haven't sorted out the interface for S2.0 or the other improvements we listed. Must be nearly 3-4 years now since S2.0 release. Remember the comment from Tony Hilliam that the interface was just 'eye candy'. We'll fix it later. Yep.

Regards to all,

John
I've been considering canceling my renewal as well. I too used to have some real enthusiasm for Trainz and used the program in its various iterations for well over 20 years. In that time, I've seen both good and bad things happen, took the ride up and down and then we've gotten here. The big rush with the last few service packs, community be damned, is what has gotten us here along with a smaller number of public testers. Making beta testing an exclusive thing to Plus users isn't the way to go. There needs to be a refocus on the actual beta-testing process, the one that costs more and takes more time to ensure that the product is solid.

The big rush is as always to push out new features and supersedes fixes to underlying issues. They'll fix a few things on the top and a few that pertain to the new patch, but I have yet to see fixes put in for iPortals, for instance, or buttoning down Surveyor 2.0 to bring it beyond the beta stage it's still in.

"We'll fix it later" has been the famous line here for a very long time. I've said this before. This reminds me of an old house in bad need of a new roof and plumbing but the owner repaints the parlor and puts in a swimming pool instead.

Having said this, we don't know what's going on inside N3V's virtual walls. There could be some administrative and corporate financial pressures placed on the company we're not aware of, or who knows what's driving the quick pace to put out new products. We've seen this before not only with T: ANE but also with other companies that are put under pressure to come out with new product and improvements come hell or high water.

Yes, I know that new versions and widgets are something to generate sales but if the underlying product falls apart or appears unfinished, then what good is it to have new features?
 
I've been considering canceling my renewal as well. I too used to have some real enthusiasm for Trainz and used the program in its various iterations for well over 20 years. In that time, I've seen both good and bad things happen, took the ride up and down and then we've gotten here. The big rush with the last few service packs, community be damned, is what has gotten us here along with a smaller number of public testers. Making beta testing an exclusive thing to Plus users isn't the way to go. There needs to be a refocus on the actual beta-testing process, the one that costs more and takes more time to ensure that the product is solid.

The big rush is as always to push out new features and supersedes fixes to underlying issues. They'll fix a few things on the top and a few that pertain to the new patch, but I have yet to see fixes put in for iPortals, for instance, or buttoning down Surveyor 2.0 to bring it beyond the beta stage it's still in.

"We'll fix it later" has been the famous line here for a very long time. I've said this before. This reminds me of an old house in bad need of a new roof and plumbing but the owner repaints the parlor and puts in a swimming pool instead.

Having said this, we don't know what's going on inside N3V's virtual walls. There could be some administrative and corporate financial pressures placed on the company we're not aware of, or who knows what's driving the quick pace to put out new products. We've seen this before not only with T: ANE but also with other companies that are put under pressure to come out with new product and improvements come hell or high water.

Yes, I know that new versions and widgets are something to generate sales but if the underlying product falls apart or appears unfinished, then what good is it to have new features?

Honestly, I'm amazed at how after all these years you maintain your mental health, because I've been actively Trainzing for quite a while, but I'm pretty sure I wanted to smash my monitor at least a dozen times through the years.

Having said that, you're 100% right. We don't know everything. I think the best way to pursue testing is hire (or at the very least invite) testers from different communities. These testers could experience everything happening in betas and report what's broken and all. In reality, you need to pay to do that, and even if you do, as you described, the bugs will be blamed on you (or content author), or not even addressed at all. It's frustrating.
 
TRS19 is still a pretty good deal at $19.99. I own TRS22, but I never use it since I want a railway simulator, not a railway repair simulator. And as for Trainz Plus+ I gave that up ages ago since it didn't give me anything I wanted or could use. The problem is that 'updates' are being rushed out the door without being properly tested. Spending an afternoon fixing stuff after every 'update' was a feature of TRS19 and TRS22 until I got fed up with it and binned TRS22. Now it seems that it's got worse. I really would not want to be a newcomer starting out with Trainz for the first time in 2025.
 
Honestly, I'm amazed at how after all these years you maintain your mental health, because I've been actively Trainzing for quite a while, but I'm pretty sure I wanted to smash my monitor at least a dozen times through the years.

Having said that, you're 100% right. We don't know everything. I think the best way to pursue testing is hire (or at the very least invite) testers from different communities. These testers could experience everything happening in betas and report what's broken and all. In reality, you need to pay to do that, and even if you do, as you described, the bugs will be blamed on you (or content author), or not even addressed at all. It's frustrating.
I have had my moments where I want to rip the virtual tracks right off the baseboards. When things get heated, I walk away. I learned this from years of technical support. It's best to think of other things and let the steam out than do or say something that requires an apology or generates regrets that can't be undone.

The other thing is I do other things that are probably more frustrating such as my current piano projects. I'm working on Charles Valentin Alkan's Piano Concerto for Solo Piano 2nd movement, transcriptions of Beethoven's Piano Trios Op. 1 no. 1 and Op. 1 no. 3, a couple of Chopin Nocturnes, and Cecil Chaminade's Etude No. 2. With my brain totally drained, Trainz becomes the least thing to worry about after these works. :)

Yeah, they need to go back to the old way of testing again without the blame the user as they've done more recently.
 
Dear users, Trainz is actually a nice hobby, but since the annual subscription model, it's become more and more like Netflix.
If you don't want to watch anymore, your subscription expires.
If you do that with Trainz, you can't start your program afterwards!!!Back then, there were still DVDs, and you owned your own software.
I've been building a Hamburg route for six years now,and if I don't renew this subscription, I won't be able to do anything with it anymore.
So you're basically just on loan, which you pay for, and you're still responsible for any errors in the software yourself???
 
No, people are supposed to follow the directions of N3V and send a helpdesk ticket (edit: bug report https://n3vgames.typeform.com/to/xRdryu ) detailing their faults, instead of ranting on this page and posting about their faults here.
again proving my point.. you dont want people to express outrage or frustration.. you just want them to shut up and deal with it... this is why no one takes this community seriously
 
I am afraid of being misunderstood, but nevertheless I will express my point of view on what is happening.

I participated in various free testing in various companies and always posted bug reports wherever possible (on a forum, in a closed engineering bug tracker, etc.).
First of all, I think where exactly to write about problems is everyone's choice, and I accept any one.
Now about those who say that you do not need to write about problems openly on the forum, but only in a bug tracker that is closed to the public.
And I respect that point of view too. But this point of view reminds me of the Stockholm Syndrome.

I didn't mean to offend anyone or anything like that.
 
Now about those who say that you do not need to write about problems openly on the forum, but only in a bug tracker that is closed to the public.
The problem here is not about not needing to post problems in these forums but it is about the lack of useful details in those posts. For example, some posters simply reported that the game is now "laggy" or has become a "slide show" but gave no further details that could be useful to identify any possible reason - and stating that SP6 is the reason is not sufficient by itself.

One poster, that I responded to, gave the <kuid> of a problem route which I was able download and test. The route had a very annoying rendering problem and I was able to diagnose a major cause - the excessive use of tree splines and billboard trees everywhere throughout the route. Removing the tree splines and replacing many of the billboards with PF trees solved the rendering problem, at least on my systems.

By all means, report problems in the forums. Posts that give useful details allow other users to test the named routes, sessions, assets, performance settings, etc, etc. There have been times where I have posted a report in these forums to confirm that I am seeing an actual problem and that it was not just a mistake or misunderstanding on my part. Confirmation posts from others have allowed me to then post a detailed bug report, with a link to the thread in the forums, with confidence that it was not "just me". But there has been at least one occasion where my "bug post" got zero responses from the community.
 
Hi everyone, appreciate all the feedback. We are actively working on a solution that will be rolled out quickly. Could I please get a list of core users willing to test an exclusive patch to help confirm whether the new build resolves the issues you’ve been seeing with SP6?

A simple reply with your MyTrainz account will be enough, thanks. I can contact you directly via the linked account email address. If your linked email isn’t correct, please update it to ensure you receive the patch invite.
 
Hi everyone, appreciate all the feedback. We are actively working on a solution that will be rolled out quickly. Could I please get a list of core users willing to test an exclusive patch to help confirm whether the new build resolves the issues you’ve been seeing with SP6?

A simple reply with your MyTrainz account will be enough, thanks. I can contact you directly via the linked account email address. If your linked email isn’t correct, please update it to ensure you receive the patch invite.
Count me in.
 
Hi everyone, appreciate all the feedback. We are actively working on a solution that will be rolled out quickly. Could I please get a list of core users willing to test an exclusive patch to help confirm whether the new build resolves the issues you’ve been seeing with SP6?

A simple reply with your MyTrainz account will be enough, thanks. I can contact you directly via the linked account email address. If your linked email isn’t correct, please update it to ensure you receive the patch invite.
I'm happy to try it out too.
 
Hi everyone, appreciate all the feedback. We are actively working on a solution that will be rolled out quickly. Could I please get a list of core users willing to test an exclusive patch to help confirm whether the new build resolves the issues you’ve been seeing with SP6?

A simple reply with your MyTrainz account will be enough, thanks. I can contact you directly via the linked account email address. If your linked email isn’t correct, please update it to ensure you receive the patch invite.
Count me in also
 
Hi everyone, appreciate all the feedback. We are actively working on a solution that will be rolled out quickly. Could I please get a list of core users willing to test an exclusive patch to help confirm whether the new build resolves the issues you’ve been seeing with SP6?

A simple reply with your MyTrainz account will be enough, thanks. I can contact you directly via the linked account email address. If your linked email isn’t correct, p
I'll do it as well.
 
Hi everyone, appreciate all the feedback. We are actively working on a solution that will be rolled out quickly. Could I please get a list of core users willing to test an exclusive patch to help confirm whether the new build resolves the issues you’ve been seeing with SP6?

A simple reply with your MyTrainz account will be enough, thanks. I can contact you directly via the linked account email address. If your linked email isn’t correct, please update it to ensure you receive the patch invite.
Also count me in too.
 
Hi everyone, appreciate all the feedback. We are actively working on a solution that will be rolled out quickly. Could I please get a list of core users willing to test an exclusive patch to help confirm whether the new build resolves the issues you’ve been seeing with SP6?

A simple reply with your MyTrainz account will be enough, thanks. I can contact you directly via the linked account email address. If your linked email isn’t correct, please update it to ensure you receive the patch invite.
Happy to test it
 
There is nothing new here I've been around for about 20 odd years and have never seen a version of Trainz that worked as it should before a new release cane out.
Were using TRS2022 in 2025 and still chasing bugs. I'm not interested to Beta Test even though I'm a Plus User .I wonder how many non Plus users are previous Beta Testers?
Just have to wait for TRS2026 so it can start all over again
I'm on a pension so this is a hobby for me not a place to pay and spend time trying to figure out why the Game I pay for for my enjoyment not to pay to try to fix it
 
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