amigacooke
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I was under the impression that you can activate Windows by phone? It has been a while though.
N3V Needs to support pre-SP1 users with DLC
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You can, at least with XP. And, again, with XP, if you have a VLK type of license, you don't need to activate at all, though you do have to agree to be audited. He's probably thinking Vista/Win7/Win8.
That's why Vista/Win7/Win8 are unsuitable for use on standalone machines or tightly-secured networks.
-.- thanks again technology industry...................................you've once again gone and forced more updates on us. Why'd you use the mention of a heart attack though?
Huh? There's lots of systems running windows in environments that may just surprise you.
There's also volume license activation if you're completely disconnected but I also have corporate enterprise customers who do it this way too just to avoid the possible theft of license keys by employees. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd981010.aspx
kenneth18278
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I recall 2 or 3 years ago buying a pre-owned machine from a computer store, which came loaded with Win7. As I was not connected to the internet at the time, I activated by phone with no trouble at all.
Actually you do and this is done through the corporate licensing server, so there is no need to be connected to Microsoft for the licensing operation. Now if one were to install this version of the OS on a standalone home machine, then the software would balk when it goes looking for the license.
At Oracle we ran our own custom server called My Desktop which dished out licenses, upgrades, and patches. Other organizations may run their own servers or those based on Microsoft's corporate licensing server.
John
Could people who think that DRM is the work of devil do us all a huge favour and not buy any DLC in the future? If you are correct and people are going to vote with their wallets then N3V will either go bust or they will change their minds. Or you could defect to the dark side - but they've had DRM from the start and are still going strong. Something doesn't quite add up here.
Paul
Paul
Ok Paul get this. People are willing to tolerate DRM, we understand content creators and developers and their right to protect their IP. However, it becomes not okay when said DRM becomes a hindrance and annoyance to the paying customer. Since people are paying for DLC, any issue that prevents them from using the content they purchased is one too many.
True, but making fact-free sweeping statements about software you don't own is the norm around here at the moment. If nobody buys any of my DLC in the future (DRM free by the way) I'll just have to postpone my retirement by about 10 milliseconds.
Paul
nathanmallard
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Paullhobbs: It's not just DRM, there's also the bugs and the OCD error checking, the last of which I especially do not want. I am aware of the upcoming LMS Potteries Loop Line DLC, I would very much like to purchase it but due to N3V's selfishness I cannot. I hope they change their minds and revert to a more customer-feedback based approach like Auran in the good old days or that's it for me.
Sorry, I must have missed something here - what issue is preventing you from using DLC that you have paid for?
Paul
OK, once again you don't have TS12 let alone SP1 and therefore your claims that there are countless bugs are just repeating what other people have said most of whom wouldn't know a bug if if ran up to them and bit them on the leg. The SP1 bugs thread is full of discussion about the uniform texture warning (a warning for god's sake!) which is, not by any stretch of the imagination a bug, it's the program working as it was designed to do.
You want a fast, stable simulator that doesn't crash to the desktop every five minutes but you don't want error checking? An asset that calls up a non existent file is broken in TS12 and it was broken in every version before as well.
Paul
nathanmallard
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Those assets that were "broken" before SP1 never had a problem in older versions. They certainly didn't cause lag or random crashes to the desktop. They wouldn't in SP1 either.
amigacooke
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Are you sure about this?
I've had a look at my order history and every version of Trainz so far has required a serial number to install. However is seems that serial numbers are an acceptable method of proving that you have the right to use the software, but online authentication is not.
Of course Mac Trainz users don't even have the chance to use N3V DLC. It requires that most offensive form of DRM, a Windows install
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?100452-TS12-SP1-Bugs-Thread&p=1135711#post1135711
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?100452-TS12-SP1-Bugs-Thread&p=1138921#post1138921
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?100452-TS12-SP1-Bugs-Thread&p=1138824#post1138824
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...uto-redownload-from-DLC&p=1136061#post1136061
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?100589-SP1-problem
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...chased-download-content&p=1161483#post1161483
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...chased-download-content&p=1167616#post1167616
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...chased-download-content&p=1169072#post1169072
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...on-2-amp-Faultly-assets&p=1136969#post1136969
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...d-to-58414-DISASTER!!!!&p=1174835#post1174835
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...d-to-58414-DISASTER!!!!&p=1174849#post1174849
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...keep-redownloading-TS12&p=1159234#post1159234
nathanmallard
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Well said Nicky. Paul, it's not your fault, it N3V's. I would very much like to buy your DLC, but if it is released through SimCentral I can't because the only way to acquire all future DLC is through SP1's built-in downloading system. It's N3V who applies the DRM, not you. You realise, that if N3V goes belly-up, all the people who have your DLC will not be able to activate it and it will be vapourware. And, N3V can deactivate your product whenever they like. For example, if they don't like some posts you've made on the forum, they can simply deactivate your DLC. It sounds ridiculous and paranoid but other gaming companies have locked players out of their games for dubious reasons before. Look it up. If you do not want DRM, refuse to release your products through N3V's store, we'll thank you for it.
amigacooke
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This thread at least seems to have had a successful conclusion.
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That's one bug reported multiple times. Apparently it is a problem for some people although I didn't have any trouble at all redownloading the DLC. I must admit though I don't have Murchison 2 which seems to be the cause of the problem. I haven't seen any posts about this recently so I assumed it had been fixed, and it's likely it was a problem with the download and not the software.
This is annoying for sure, but you still have the option of installing the old version into TS12 without SP1 to use it.
Paul
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