This is a good question. Where does N3V see the future of Trainz, if they see on at all. Will it continue to be a PC based, open platform "hobby" where users can pretty much do whatever their imagination allows, or do they see it as a closed "game" catering to the xbox/tablet crowd>
N3V Needs to support pre-SP1 users with DLC
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This is a good question. Where does N3V see the future of Trainz, if they see on at all. Will it continue to be a PC based, open platform "hobby" where users can pretty much do whatever their imagination allows, or do they see it as a closed "game" catering to the xbox/tablet crowd>
Yes. The problem is with content specifically made for SP1 and the DRM such as the NKP set.
Actually Brian is correct in what he says - nathanmallard doesn't have a clue about TS12 SP1.You have no facts at all to back up your statements either , so you probably are just making up stuff , trying to claim the title "self appointed expert" that you think you are.
Here's an interesting exercise for those with more time on their hands than I do - go through the 70 pages of the TS12 SP1 bugs thread and filter out all the posts from people complaining about the uniform textures warning, the fact that they can't download it properly, moaning about DRM, saying they won't try SP1 because they've heard from other people it's no good, bugs that were fixed in HF1/2/3 etc etc and see how many bugs are left. I mean real bugs, not people not understanding how the program works.
I've been through the first five pages today and I found about two bugs which were fixed with one of the hot fixes.
Paul
I couldn't have said it any better.
Once you get through the hurdles with the texture issue and missing thumbnails, most things work quite well.
John
Kennilworth
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Hi
Fact - nathanmallard does not have TS12 let alone SP1. I am pointing out that he is making outrageous comments about SP1 when he has no experience of it. Just because his views seem to agree with yours doesn't make them factually correct. I have made no claims to be an expert so if he can publish the figures to back up his claims then I will make a full apology to him on the forum. Perhaps I'm old fashioned but I prefer to make decisions based on facts and not on someone else's obviously biased opinion.
I installed SP1 the day that it was released and I wasn't impressed with it so I went back to 49922. Recently a great route was put on the DLS for build 3.7 that I wanted to use so I have patched up to SP1 again. While I still don't particularly like it at the moment, I am not trying to convince anyone else that it is rubbish just because I am not too impressed with it. Lets have a bit of fairness with this discussion by looking at actual experiences and not personal biases from people who haven't even tried it.
Regards
Brian
Fact - nathanmallard does not have TS12 let alone SP1. I am pointing out that he is making outrageous comments about SP1 when he has no experience of it. Just because his views seem to agree with yours doesn't make them factually correct. I have made no claims to be an expert so if he can publish the figures to back up his claims then I will make a full apology to him on the forum. Perhaps I'm old fashioned but I prefer to make decisions based on facts and not on someone else's obviously biased opinion.
I installed SP1 the day that it was released and I wasn't impressed with it so I went back to 49922. Recently a great route was put on the DLS for build 3.7 that I wanted to use so I have patched up to SP1 again. While I still don't particularly like it at the moment, I am not trying to convince anyone else that it is rubbish just because I am not too impressed with it. Lets have a bit of fairness with this discussion by looking at actual experiences and not personal biases from people who haven't even tried it.
Regards
Brian
I agree with you there but at least they show interest in correcting the course. Unfortunately MSFT has adopted the Borg mentality of wanting a Microsoft Account for everything to ween people away from Google. Not that that's a bad thing, but why jump from one encampment to another? My point with 8.1 is that a lot of third party ISVs are taking a "We'll support it when it's released" mentality, so AV vendors on down the line won't give anybody support for 8.1. There are a few but they're far between.
Agreed. Have had SP1 HF3 since it was released. The only annoying little problem is the zoom feature when deleting baseboards for me. That one really only effects route builders like myself and easy enough to get around by doing the route in TS2010, delete the required baseboards if needed and then complete building in TS12. I've had very little content from the DLS that doesn't work. If it doesn't work, it gets deleted. There is always someone else's item to replace what doesn't work.
SP1 is progress which I would rather see than stagnation. I didn't have anything before 2009 so I only comment from that version onwards and the progress that has been made over the past few years is quite amazing so I for one say to N3V, keep the good work up. Eventually, TS12 will work like a charm, it pretty near does now.
Regards
Peter
It would be stupid to promise anything beyond "we will follow the customers" because that's the fundamental function of any business. I don't think any of us can really say where that will lead us over the next 20 years, but in the recent past you can see that we're doing the following:
* Expanding to new markets (iOS, MacOS, etc.) which means diversifying our focus a little but also means an opportunity to "put right" some of the long-standing issues with the trainz environment that can't easily be changed on the PC version due to existing momentum.
* Improving our content delivery mechanisms (both free and paid) to make it easier for "typical users" to experience the wealth of existing third-party content.
* Improving Surveyor in areas that help people to create (layers and related improvements, session rules editing improvements) and distribute (in-game thumbnail creation, in-game route/session uploads, etc.)
* Working with content creators to ensure that new content is created to a reasonably modern standard, and to ensure that we are providing effective support in terms of tools and documentation.
cheers,
chris
cascaderailroad
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If we as individuals, have no control over Trainz ... we all just might leave ... and N3V would have no customers at all ! (Execpt for newbies) !
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As in all forms of life these days loyallty means nothing anymore.
I came across Trainz at a time when there were a number of stressful things happening in my life. I was disabled by arthritis and had to give up working, I had multiple heart attacks, then triple bypass surgery, my wife passed away and finally had to have a leg removed due to a life threatening flesh eating bug.
Throughout all this time my involvement with trains has kept me sane and given me a purpose. It will still be that way but I dont need all the crap that is being caused by the way Trainz is heading. That is my reason for retreating to 2010 and why I never intend to get further editions of the simulator. I believe that Trainz is headed for an Xbox type of game and the day of the PC is really numbered. I have no need for a smart phone, a tablet or things like facebook so I spose I am a techniphobe but that is my choice. I just hope that a few more creators will be like Philskene and still produce things us old fogeys can use.
cheers,
Mike
I came across Trainz at a time when there were a number of stressful things happening in my life. I was disabled by arthritis and had to give up working, I had multiple heart attacks, then triple bypass surgery, my wife passed away and finally had to have a leg removed due to a life threatening flesh eating bug.
Throughout all this time my involvement with trains has kept me sane and given me a purpose. It will still be that way but I dont need all the crap that is being caused by the way Trainz is heading. That is my reason for retreating to 2010 and why I never intend to get further editions of the simulator. I believe that Trainz is headed for an Xbox type of game and the day of the PC is really numbered. I have no need for a smart phone, a tablet or things like facebook so I spose I am a techniphobe but that is my choice. I just hope that a few more creators will be like Philskene and still produce things us old fogeys can use.
cheers,
Mike
Why would people need to know how the program works most only want to drive a train or build a route and don't have time to sift thru countless threads looking for an answer to sum thing that should be done by those who made the game/patch/update, With every version this Sim/Game seems to get more complicated and it's being placed out of reach of those who just want to enjoy what free time they have. Seems the only one's having a grand old time with SP1 and beyond are those who create for a living or are involved with the Company or friends of those mentioned above. I haven't updated and wont till it's clear cut and actually works straight outa the box.
Cheers Mick.
The majority who voice it. I know plenty of other trainzers who have no problems with it who aren't/are on these forums
People voice things when they have a problem, not when they don't have a problem. It's a stupid way of finding out the true statistic of how many bugs to non
gremlin1812
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that has not happened with any trainz version yet so don't hold your breath. This new DLC system is the killer as far as I am concerned as it is big brother controlling things we pay for well that's not for me and i'm having fun with all my trainz versions that I have so if that is the way they choose to go they lost my $'s.
Regards
Barrie
amigacooke
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I presume you're still running a version of Windows that doesn't need to be activated then?
amigacooke
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Opinion seems to be divided.
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nathanmallard
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How can SP1 be an improvement? They are countless bugs and gremlins, not to mention the DRM. BTW, SP1 users, you do know that the new system requires activation of your DLC every once in a while? If N3V were to go bust, you would not be able to use that DLC anymore. No chance of a refund either, while with an .exe you can simply use it again and again. As for the bugs, well, I don't think anyone wants Trainz crashing to the desktop when they have been working on a route for 2 hours. It is a minority of SP1 users who are getting by with no problems. SP1 is one step forward and 20 steps back.
gremlin1812
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What has that got to do with this DRM? Windows activation is done once just like registering your trainz version, If microdollars go belly up tomorrow your windows will still continue to run but the trainz DRM assets will go belly up with N3V and although you paid for them you won't have them and that's an advancement? I can run windows with no internet connection forever if I like but this DRM stuff will go without revalidation.
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amigacooke
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Well that's true if you have no cause to re-install Windows or change a major component I suppose. I wonder how long the average user goes without one of those happening?
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