amigacooke
Well-known member
Only going by posted video but ...... decent steam sound. Of course you may know more about what Trainz is going to have Mike.
Kuji Rail sim release date Friday 5th October 2007
- Thread starter overmars
- Start date
stagecoachdriverdave
Matt
Just got my copy today in Game Cheltenham! Looking forward to having a go...
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
Not really, Mike. Some MSTSers are eye wide opened to the fact that you can make a junction in 6 clicks :hehe:. How long have we trainzers been doing that in fewer!
But since I don't want to be unobjective, I'm waiting for the 19.00 GMT to get the downloaded version of Kujumulator. :hehe:
Alberte
P.S.- People can tell about Auranites whatever they can but they are showing a very positive generous attitude by keeping this thread on on their forum: Is Kuju or EA allowing a Trainz thread on their brand new RS forum? I don't think so.
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I think the Trainz users are being quite good on the UKTrainsim forum as well. I'm sure many (like me) are itching to keep posting "just like Trainz then" to every 'discovery' they make in KRS
Mike.
I think the Trainz users are being quite good on the UKTrainsim forum as well. I'm sure many (like me) are itching to keep posting "just like Trainz then" to every 'discovery' they make in KRS
Mike.
I know i've been tempted to..
Really it seems worse than how TRS was when it first came out.
And yeah I believe you're right about the whole issue with it just being a ton of Trainz features with bigger textures.
Its missing the AI and a lot of the best trainz features though.
So can we not just put massive textures on trainz and make it look just as good really? or does it require an update to trainz for it to handle it well? from reports the only major good thing about the Kuju one is it seems to have a reallydecent FPS compared to trainz... somehow
First Impressions
Having both and being a trainz nut from 2004 here are my impressions.
If trainz doesnt run smooth on your machine, Rail Sim wont for sure as the graphics are way more complex.
Mixed keyboard/mouse controls are going to require a learning curve.
Sound and graphics are far and away supierior but I am comparing a new game to a older one.
The editor seemed like it would take a really steep learning curve if you are like me used to making layouts in trs2006 but I will reserve judgement until I explore it a bit further, does make curves and such way smoother.
Derailments are fun, I have thrown a loco well over 300 yds end over end ( and if your in the cab view it can get wild)
Havent found any AI functions yet but to be fair havent spent more than 2 hours on it yet.
I will make some movies and post to youtube
Having both and being a trainz nut from 2004 here are my impressions.
If trainz doesnt run smooth on your machine, Rail Sim wont for sure as the graphics are way more complex.
Mixed keyboard/mouse controls are going to require a learning curve.
Sound and graphics are far and away supierior but I am comparing a new game to a older one.
The editor seemed like it would take a really steep learning curve if you are like me used to making layouts in trs2006 but I will reserve judgement until I explore it a bit further, does make curves and such way smoother.
Derailments are fun, I have thrown a loco well over 300 yds end over end ( and if your in the cab view it can get wild)
Havent found any AI functions yet but to be fair havent spent more than 2 hours on it yet.
I will make some movies and post to youtube
Hello
Bugs are already getting reported link here:
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=74771
Also passengers are standing on the Tracks link here:
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=74771&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
also heres a quote from a few people who have KRS:
To me, Trainz Surveyor is a lot more user friendly then Rail Simulators World Editor.
The Rail Simulators World Editor and Scenario Editor included on the DVD does not have all the features, Kuju are working on the developer tools once released it will have all the missing features.
My Opinion at the moment Trainz Surveyor is better and friendly then KRS's World Editor and my KRS is coming Tomorrow and who knows I might change my opinion again. KRS has nice Graphics.
Kuju's official Rail Simulator forums go live tomorrow:
http://www.railsimulator.com/forum
Regards
Ahsan
Bugs are already getting reported link here:
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=74771
Also passengers are standing on the Tracks link here:
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=74771&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
also heres a quote from a few people who have KRS:
To me, Trainz Surveyor is a lot more user friendly then Rail Simulators World Editor.
The Rail Simulators World Editor and Scenario Editor included on the DVD does not have all the features, Kuju are working on the developer tools once released it will have all the missing features.
My Opinion at the moment Trainz Surveyor is better and friendly then KRS's World Editor and my KRS is coming Tomorrow and who knows I might change my opinion again. KRS has nice Graphics.
Kuju's official Rail Simulator forums go live tomorrow:
http://www.railsimulator.com/forum
Regards
Ahsan
thegrindre
narrow gauge fanatic
Some Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/v/SBV5QIRzN1s&rel=0
http://www.youtube.com/v/QWIRXi2Zu3c&rel=0
http://www.youtube.com/v/HVM7H0JaO2I&rel=0
Original post in UKTrainSimForum here:
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewforum.php?f=254
Big thanks to the UKTrainSimForum-User "phat2003uk"
http://www.youtube.com/v/SBV5QIRzN1s&rel=0
http://www.youtube.com/v/QWIRXi2Zu3c&rel=0
http://www.youtube.com/v/HVM7H0JaO2I&rel=0
Original post in UKTrainSimForum here:
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewforum.php?f=254
Big thanks to the UKTrainSimForum-User "phat2003uk"
johnwhelan
Well-known member
I think the danger in comparisons is comparing professionally created with average in Trainz to make a fair comparison I think you need to compare the top level of Trainz creations or the same average level in both. However it sounds like the tools aren't yet available for "normal" creators yet.
Cheerio John
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
Edit: Sorry, my mistake. Download version release time is scheduled for 19.00 CDT, not GMT.
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Hi,
I tryed the new RS, but i,m not impressed with this version out of the box. There is nothing at all that Trainz dont have. Only with some patches and if the freeware community share some time in this sim then it can be a good sim. But to be honest i dont know if the code of RS is so mutch open as it is for Trainz. I stay with Trainz for now. In my point of view: when Trainz will be make over with a new GFX engine in future it will be a great sim because the trainz concept is a great one.
Greetz laika:wave:
I tryed the new RS, but i,m not impressed with this version out of the box. There is nothing at all that Trainz dont have. Only with some patches and if the freeware community share some time in this sim then it can be a good sim. But to be honest i dont know if the code of RS is so mutch open as it is for Trainz. I stay with Trainz for now. In my point of view: when Trainz will be make over with a new GFX engine in future it will be a great sim because the trainz concept is a great one.
Greetz laika:wave:
Mr.Jingles
Master of Disaster
Ok, guys I said I'd do a review, but instead I've just written down quite some points that cought my attention without any specific order (sorry for that) and I think one or two points in the list are the same, but it's quite late already and I'm too tired to clean it up.
I'm just going to share my view "as is", maybe I'll tidy it up and categorize them together tomorrow or on the weekend if I can get around to do it.
The bad :
- no intro, nothing, just 2 static pictures
- boringly designed menu structure offering no useful features (and an occasionally bypassing train sound. no animation, nothing)
- a loading screen without ANY kind of progress hints
- road cars spawn everywhere and also disappear everywhere and dont cross railcrossings or road intersections (they simply disappear or spawn right in the middle of the road)
- weather seems to have no effect on anything, raindrops fall right through objects, bridges and even the trains cockpit (wipers useless, no raindrops on windshields)
- overhead wire unrealistically just follows above the tracks (even through curves), also no zig-zag in overhead wire (like the real thing)
- grade / track elevation changes are as jumpy and amateurish as they were back in MSTS (straight *ZAG* uphills *ZAG* straight ...)
- EXTREMELY repetitive trees, bushes, etc (all the same texture, only about 4 tree variants)
- boring ground textures (no love for detail on included routes, just made entire terrain green and railbed track texture)
- instant scenario end after derailment with a huge popup box so you can't see anything from the crash (they could have at least waited 10 seconds or so)
- very strange loco and horn sounds (german diesel electric sounds like a hairdryer and it's horn goes like "eeeeeeeeeeeeee", it's just a pain for the ears. same for almost all other locos)
- bad LOD mesh loading, VERY noticeable and annoying (objects changing LOD model instantly and remarkably instead of a softer blend )
- rail cars not smoothly following track and "jittering" from side to side in curves (also bogies not following tracks, also jittering and drifting around)
- unprototypical signal behavior (some don't even change aspect at all)
- useless compass on top of the screen that cannot be turned off (who gives a dime about the exact coordinates driving on, when you are not currently in route development mode ?)
- HUGE non transparent and unmovable GUI elements, taking away lots of space on the screen (about 1/3rd, even at 1600x1200 resolution or 1920x1200)
- no tutorials, assuming the average user is familiar with all sorts of trains and their operations
- scenario explanations lacking information (just a "pick up wagon 981234 and 843439 then drive to lyma" ... aha)
- coalmines constantly dropping coal, wether there is a loading action going on or not which looks very strange indeed
- no indication of upcoming speedlimits
- when going backwards, next signal indicator is still "looking ahead" and not in the now changed driving direction
- weird shadow bugs, constantly appearing / disappearing (z-buffer-issues ?)
- no animated trees, dead landscape and nature (no "life")
- weird train behavior, even in "expert" driving mode (accelerating like race cars and mile long stop procedures even with empty trains and full brakes applied)
- not zoomable track preview window, making it unusable when traveling faster than 10 mph (the F3 thing for those who got KRS)
- rather complicated coupling / uncoupling / freight shunts (you have to count the wagons to the one you want to decouple from, then count again in the decouple GUI and hope to hit the correct coupler there)
- no "feel" for the weight of the train
- no "feel" for actual driving speed (100 mph feel like 30 mph)
- awful loco, horn and tracksounds (the "clickety clack" and "squeeling" in curves for example)
- complicated operation of junctions (you have to switch to a fullscreen black backgrounded by default fully zoomed in map screen, find the junction and click on it and sometimes the default path is highlighted and should be correct but the train still derails)
- scenario informations in main menu lacking "features" like usable rolling stock, length, duration, difficulty, etc.
- no real resource model for industries (offer / demand) or production cycles like "X treechumps create X woodchips and X lumber as in trainz (it's just the MSTS-ish "drive coal wagon to mine, load, go to dumper, unload, repeat" kind of freight interaction which gets boring after 15 minutes already as there are no goals except trying to keep to some schedule)
- steam and dust being just default particle systems without interaction with terrain (going through bridges, buildings, etc.) or wind
- bulk industries constantly playing the "loading" animation in a loop (coalmine for example constantly dropping coal)
- bad steam sounds, not synchronuous to actual movement
- annoying derailments when moving over a crossing that is not set in the driving direction (when coming from the upper side of "Y", so towards the single line, there should be absolutely no derailment, never ever)
- instant motor / steam sound dropoff when putting throttle back to zero
- descriptive text in GUI in german version cut off (lock function in editor, just to give a simple example : "Wenn Sie ein Szenario speichern werden alle vorhand" <- what ? there are at least 10 words missing)
- editor almost unusable, because of immensively huge GUI windows, taking up 1/3rd of the screen (no matter what the screen resolution)
- extremely complicated 3-way rotation of objects, no easy way to quickly align objects to grades. utterly complicated (there is only free 3-way rotation, not just axis-bound which makes it impossible to align the object because every mouse movement rotates the object across at least 2 axis)
- scaling feature for objects not implemented ? (there was a demo once). all objects look the same which becomes especially noticeable when placing the same object multiple times together
- no preview of objects before placement, making route building a very challenging process, especially when it comes to railroad tracks (there's also no "get object" picker command, you have to select railroad track each time anew from the content list (which has no preview)
- grid in editor does not automatically follow camera, you have to disable and re-enable the function to see the grid on your new position (and it only covers a VERY short area each click (like about 200m by 200m)
- terrain sculpting horribly complicated and details hard to make out because of constantly applied default texture (and no wireframe mode)
- "user help tags" (track description, wagon number, etc. - F6 function for those who got KRS) don't intelligently stack for readability, but are all on the same level / height, so if you are looking at 3 parallel tracks from the side you can only read the track-name of the first one in the help bubble
- no telling from the help-bubbles if they are referring to track or rolling stock as they are all plain grey (should be different colors for trackmarks, waypoints, tracks, trains and wagons at least)
- no indications in scenarios where to go, only a "do this and that, then go there" (assuming the player knows the 200 km route blindly)
- EXTREMELY nit-picky junction alignments that make your train derail (getting frustrating after 10 minutes already)
- pantographs automagically rise / lower themself (a good "bad" example - train is going uphills (rear panto is up, ok) we stop and release the brakes, train starts to roll backwards (front panto goes up), strange automatical behaviour, and this is "expert" driving mode)
- bad initial documentation with LOTS of missing informations in order to get started with creating a map or scenario for example
- no way to exit the editor without saving the changes made to the route (they've got to be kidding me)
- no easy, intuitive way to delete your own routes (yet another joke, you have to hack through XML files and clear up folder structures in explorer)
- AI trains act like they are using some kind of speed-hack, accelerating from 0 to 100 mph in like 3 seconds when departing platforms (didn't have a chance to test the AI intelligence yet besides that)
- rail tracks are plain 3-poly boxes for each rail and look just plain ugly (low detail, unspectacular)
- no passengers on the stations even though their sounds can be heard (talking, coughing, etc.), no animated passengers either, only a few plain, static passengers in coaches
- on one route (york...something) there is like a 50+ meter deep, long crater in the terrain, right under and along the tracks (how could this have made it through a QA department ? like all other stated points too I guess)
- no lights enlighting the terrain, objects or railcars at dawn when turning on lights on train
Even MSTS had a more "catching" factor to it than KRS does. (heck, even BVE is more entertaining and feature rich)
KRS is a totally pointless piece of software, sorry to speak it out like that, but it's just the truth.
Maybe a servicepack or some patches will fix A LOT of issues, but I'm not very proficient.
Tata
Mr.Jingles
I'm just going to share my view "as is", maybe I'll tidy it up and categorize them together tomorrow or on the weekend if I can get around to do it.
The bad :
- no intro, nothing, just 2 static pictures
- boringly designed menu structure offering no useful features (and an occasionally bypassing train sound. no animation, nothing)
- a loading screen without ANY kind of progress hints
- road cars spawn everywhere and also disappear everywhere and dont cross railcrossings or road intersections (they simply disappear or spawn right in the middle of the road)
- weather seems to have no effect on anything, raindrops fall right through objects, bridges and even the trains cockpit (wipers useless, no raindrops on windshields)
- overhead wire unrealistically just follows above the tracks (even through curves), also no zig-zag in overhead wire (like the real thing)
- grade / track elevation changes are as jumpy and amateurish as they were back in MSTS (straight *ZAG* uphills *ZAG* straight ...)
- EXTREMELY repetitive trees, bushes, etc (all the same texture, only about 4 tree variants)
- boring ground textures (no love for detail on included routes, just made entire terrain green and railbed track texture)
- instant scenario end after derailment with a huge popup box so you can't see anything from the crash (they could have at least waited 10 seconds or so)
- very strange loco and horn sounds (german diesel electric sounds like a hairdryer and it's horn goes like "eeeeeeeeeeeeee", it's just a pain for the ears. same for almost all other locos)
- bad LOD mesh loading, VERY noticeable and annoying (objects changing LOD model instantly and remarkably instead of a softer blend )
- rail cars not smoothly following track and "jittering" from side to side in curves (also bogies not following tracks, also jittering and drifting around)
- unprototypical signal behavior (some don't even change aspect at all)
- useless compass on top of the screen that cannot be turned off (who gives a dime about the exact coordinates driving on, when you are not currently in route development mode ?)
- HUGE non transparent and unmovable GUI elements, taking away lots of space on the screen (about 1/3rd, even at 1600x1200 resolution or 1920x1200)
- no tutorials, assuming the average user is familiar with all sorts of trains and their operations
- scenario explanations lacking information (just a "pick up wagon 981234 and 843439 then drive to lyma" ... aha)
- coalmines constantly dropping coal, wether there is a loading action going on or not which looks very strange indeed
- no indication of upcoming speedlimits
- when going backwards, next signal indicator is still "looking ahead" and not in the now changed driving direction
- weird shadow bugs, constantly appearing / disappearing (z-buffer-issues ?)
- no animated trees, dead landscape and nature (no "life")
- weird train behavior, even in "expert" driving mode (accelerating like race cars and mile long stop procedures even with empty trains and full brakes applied)
- not zoomable track preview window, making it unusable when traveling faster than 10 mph (the F3 thing for those who got KRS)
- rather complicated coupling / uncoupling / freight shunts (you have to count the wagons to the one you want to decouple from, then count again in the decouple GUI and hope to hit the correct coupler there)
- no "feel" for the weight of the train
- no "feel" for actual driving speed (100 mph feel like 30 mph)
- awful loco, horn and tracksounds (the "clickety clack" and "squeeling" in curves for example)
- complicated operation of junctions (you have to switch to a fullscreen black backgrounded by default fully zoomed in map screen, find the junction and click on it and sometimes the default path is highlighted and should be correct but the train still derails)
- scenario informations in main menu lacking "features" like usable rolling stock, length, duration, difficulty, etc.
- no real resource model for industries (offer / demand) or production cycles like "X treechumps create X woodchips and X lumber as in trainz (it's just the MSTS-ish "drive coal wagon to mine, load, go to dumper, unload, repeat" kind of freight interaction which gets boring after 15 minutes already as there are no goals except trying to keep to some schedule)
- steam and dust being just default particle systems without interaction with terrain (going through bridges, buildings, etc.) or wind
- bulk industries constantly playing the "loading" animation in a loop (coalmine for example constantly dropping coal)
- bad steam sounds, not synchronuous to actual movement
- annoying derailments when moving over a crossing that is not set in the driving direction (when coming from the upper side of "Y", so towards the single line, there should be absolutely no derailment, never ever)
- instant motor / steam sound dropoff when putting throttle back to zero
- descriptive text in GUI in german version cut off (lock function in editor, just to give a simple example : "Wenn Sie ein Szenario speichern werden alle vorhand" <- what ? there are at least 10 words missing)
- editor almost unusable, because of immensively huge GUI windows, taking up 1/3rd of the screen (no matter what the screen resolution)
- extremely complicated 3-way rotation of objects, no easy way to quickly align objects to grades. utterly complicated (there is only free 3-way rotation, not just axis-bound which makes it impossible to align the object because every mouse movement rotates the object across at least 2 axis)
- scaling feature for objects not implemented ? (there was a demo once). all objects look the same which becomes especially noticeable when placing the same object multiple times together
- no preview of objects before placement, making route building a very challenging process, especially when it comes to railroad tracks (there's also no "get object" picker command, you have to select railroad track each time anew from the content list (which has no preview)
- grid in editor does not automatically follow camera, you have to disable and re-enable the function to see the grid on your new position (and it only covers a VERY short area each click (like about 200m by 200m)
- terrain sculpting horribly complicated and details hard to make out because of constantly applied default texture (and no wireframe mode)
- "user help tags" (track description, wagon number, etc. - F6 function for those who got KRS) don't intelligently stack for readability, but are all on the same level / height, so if you are looking at 3 parallel tracks from the side you can only read the track-name of the first one in the help bubble
- no telling from the help-bubbles if they are referring to track or rolling stock as they are all plain grey (should be different colors for trackmarks, waypoints, tracks, trains and wagons at least)
- no indications in scenarios where to go, only a "do this and that, then go there" (assuming the player knows the 200 km route blindly)
- EXTREMELY nit-picky junction alignments that make your train derail (getting frustrating after 10 minutes already)
- pantographs automagically rise / lower themself (a good "bad" example - train is going uphills (rear panto is up, ok) we stop and release the brakes, train starts to roll backwards (front panto goes up), strange automatical behaviour, and this is "expert" driving mode)
- bad initial documentation with LOTS of missing informations in order to get started with creating a map or scenario for example
- no way to exit the editor without saving the changes made to the route (they've got to be kidding me)
- no easy, intuitive way to delete your own routes (yet another joke, you have to hack through XML files and clear up folder structures in explorer)
- AI trains act like they are using some kind of speed-hack, accelerating from 0 to 100 mph in like 3 seconds when departing platforms (didn't have a chance to test the AI intelligence yet besides that)
- rail tracks are plain 3-poly boxes for each rail and look just plain ugly (low detail, unspectacular)
- no passengers on the stations even though their sounds can be heard (talking, coughing, etc.), no animated passengers either, only a few plain, static passengers in coaches
- on one route (york...something) there is like a 50+ meter deep, long crater in the terrain, right under and along the tracks (how could this have made it through a QA department ? like all other stated points too I guess)
- no lights enlighting the terrain, objects or railcars at dawn when turning on lights on train
Even MSTS had a more "catching" factor to it than KRS does. (heck, even BVE is more entertaining and feature rich)
KRS is a totally pointless piece of software, sorry to speak it out like that, but it's just the truth.
Maybe a servicepack or some patches will fix A LOT of issues, but I'm not very proficient.
Tata
Mr.Jingles
Mr.Jingles
Master of Disaster
Sorry, had to split this up in 2 parts, got carried away here a bit
The good :
- Train engines can be powered off and on
- all engines consume fuel (or other resources, like coal and water for the ones that are more into ancient trains)
- camera stays inside the cab when derailment occurs (makes for some fun rides)
- very nice texture blends in the editor
- bounding box collision detection and interaction (however the instant game termination upon a derailment makes this useless again)
I can only really suggest everyone who is thinking about buying KRS to WAIT FOR THE DEMO in order to prevent frustration about a wasted investment.
DO NOT just buy it simply because there is "another rail simulator" out there available or you may be very disappointed.
Trainz is still "best there is" when it comes to user friendly, easy to use, extensible rail simulation software.
Let's just hope that at least MSTS-X will bring a fresh breeze into that "industry".
Now I know why nobody from Kuju was answering my questions over in the uktrainsim forum - because I was right all the time with all my assumptions !
The "regular" members and blind believers were just too much of "fanboys" to realise the truth.
Have fun with it, I sure won't buy it until there is a service pack or some patches being released. (you may know how I got to test the game, but I'm not thinking about violating forum rules, so don't ask)
All this is stuff an official demo would have been trying to cover up by "restricting" some features, but trust me, my points up there are telling the truth.
Some companys consider such a feature lacking, bug infested game not even an alpha release, so please fix that bug pestered and feature lacking piece of software, Kuju ...
As it is right now, KRS is nothing more but a graphically advanced and even more bug pestered MSTS version (what else, it's from the same developers) and I can't believe that Kuju actually put 4 years of development time into this, as it looks more like a rushed release that has been put together within half a year.
Sorry to say, but that's my view.
Not worth the money, stick with trainz and wait for MSTS-X, that's my suggestion to you.
Tata
Mr.Jingles
The good :
- Train engines can be powered off and on
- all engines consume fuel (or other resources, like coal and water for the ones that are more into ancient trains)
- camera stays inside the cab when derailment occurs (makes for some fun rides)
- very nice texture blends in the editor
- bounding box collision detection and interaction (however the instant game termination upon a derailment makes this useless again)
I can only really suggest everyone who is thinking about buying KRS to WAIT FOR THE DEMO in order to prevent frustration about a wasted investment.
DO NOT just buy it simply because there is "another rail simulator" out there available or you may be very disappointed.
Trainz is still "best there is" when it comes to user friendly, easy to use, extensible rail simulation software.
Let's just hope that at least MSTS-X will bring a fresh breeze into that "industry".
Now I know why nobody from Kuju was answering my questions over in the uktrainsim forum - because I was right all the time with all my assumptions !
The "regular" members and blind believers were just too much of "fanboys" to realise the truth.
Have fun with it, I sure won't buy it until there is a service pack or some patches being released. (you may know how I got to test the game, but I'm not thinking about violating forum rules, so don't ask)
All this is stuff an official demo would have been trying to cover up by "restricting" some features, but trust me, my points up there are telling the truth.
Some companys consider such a feature lacking, bug infested game not even an alpha release, so please fix that bug pestered and feature lacking piece of software, Kuju ...
As it is right now, KRS is nothing more but a graphically advanced and even more bug pestered MSTS version (what else, it's from the same developers) and I can't believe that Kuju actually put 4 years of development time into this, as it looks more like a rushed release that has been put together within half a year.
Sorry to say, but that's my view.
Not worth the money, stick with trainz and wait for MSTS-X, that's my suggestion to you.
Tata
Mr.Jingles
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
Thank you for your info. I'll try myself to confirm your impressions or not. But I'm afraid I will.
The problem is that MSTSers (who have despised Trainz for years even not giving it a try) will worship functionalities which Trainz has been enjoying for years now. That's the spice of life (blind minds).
Alberte :wave:
The problem is that MSTSers (who have despised Trainz for years even not giving it a try) will worship functionalities which Trainz has been enjoying for years now. That's the spice of life (blind minds).
Alberte :wave:
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thegrindre
narrow gauge fanatic
Hmmm,
The more I read around here and over there, the more I'm finding out that this game isn't even finished yet. It sounds like a rush job to get it out the front door, ASAP. I certainly don't want to spend any money on an incomplete game and, that may be full of bugs. I've been following the bug report along, also.
Rick
The more I read around here and over there, the more I'm finding out that this game isn't even finished yet. It sounds like a rush job to get it out the front door, ASAP. I certainly don't want to spend any money on an incomplete game and, that may be full of bugs. I've been following the bug report along, also.
Rick
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
Is anybody having problems with the EA Download manager? What on earth is a .viv file? What should I swap?
Not a very good start, really not!
Edit: it seems that everybody is going through the same problem...
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=74805&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15#p896508
Not a good way to attract direct-download RS'ers! Not being very lucky these guys at EA and Kuju!
Not a very good start, really not!
Edit: it seems that everybody is going through the same problem...
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=74805&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15#p896508
Not a good way to attract direct-download RS'ers! Not being very lucky these guys at EA and Kuju!
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