Wasn't the point of "this" thread to find out what kind of rewards would interest the supporters who plan on participating in KickStarter? There are other threads to debate the pros and cons of KickStarter itself as well as what should or should not be included in the next version of Trainz.
Kickstarter Rewards & Gold Stars
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cascaderailroad
New member
I think the price of the finished product should be estimated as to what it would cost an unpledged user.
And a suggested donation spread sheet should be developed, so that people can be various contributors:
Diamond $100 = Free game when it comes out, and a lifetime FCT
Gold $50 = Free Lifetime FCT
Silver $25 = 1 Year FCT
Platinum $15 = A driver named after you
Bronze $5 = An "Atta' Boy" award
Unpledged = Actual cost of game = $39.95
And a suggested donation spread sheet should be developed, so that people can be various contributors:
Diamond $100 = Free game when it comes out, and a lifetime FCT
Gold $50 = Free Lifetime FCT
Silver $25 = 1 Year FCT
Platinum $15 = A driver named after you
Bronze $5 = An "Atta' Boy" award
Unpledged = Actual cost of game = $39.95
amigacooke
Well-known member
Well there's less than a fortnight to gather those preferences and it seems that understanding of the process is less than universal. Someone's going to have start guessing soon.
PS welcome back SD.
Can I just say,if you would like to see how Kickstart projects work,go along to theme park studios site and read what they have done there.It will give you a clearer idea of what the Kickstart process is and how their rewards work on the theme park studio project. I'm all for it if it makes the game that much better, especially on the mac 
I had to laugh.
Okay, let's assume you are right about the game costing $40.
This would mean your "gold" would get a life-time FCT for $10 and your "diamond" for $60. :hehe:
Currently a life-time FCT costs $120 alone, without a new game attached to it.
How about an honour's list in the actual game it's self for the ten highest pledgers?
or a free loco of the next loco build if there is going to be one?
And for the highest pledger, the star prise of a personal add-on of the one thing that he or she would like to see happen in trainz the most.
Reggie would probably like a full pardon, who knows he might even get his vacuum brakes. :hehe:
Nice to see you back too Sourdough
or a free loco of the next loco build if there is going to be one?
And for the highest pledger, the star prise of a personal add-on of the one thing that he or she would like to see happen in trainz the most.
Reggie would probably like a full pardon, who knows he might even get his vacuum brakes. :hehe:
Nice to see you back too Sourdough
Reward ideas (not original pinched from other KSs):
Mugs
T-shirts
Multiple copies of product
Name some element of the game (drivers etc.)
Beta access (I know this isn't going to be universally popular)
Meet the team (and berate them ;-)
English/Australian dictionary (I may be getting silly here)
More like shout a the screen and say What the H@ll have you done to it this time!!!
cascaderailroad
New member
Well there has to be a decent incentive ... after all N3V would be getting your money way in advance (which they aquire interest on your advancement of your money towards N3V's endeavors), after all, there are not too many investors willing to advance a Company large sums of money, for a product that is still a year and a half away from being finished, and if N3V went belly up, all the investors would lose their money advancements, to a bankrupt company.
I hardly think a $2.50 Trainz T Shirt is a good prize !
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Problem with that idea is that their are many people who would invest a small amount but cannot afford the cost of the game as the investment. However I doubt many of those folk would expect the game as their reward.
For those wanting to only invest in a small amount not more than the cost of the game I'm sure some sort of forum badge could be awarded
to show that member has contributed/supported towards the project and maybe a newsletter
$5-10 above
$35 all of the above + final release
$45 all of the above + final release + early access
$55 all of the above + final release + early access + super dooper gold forum badge
$60+ A night on the town with Tony Hilliam / he pays for all the drinks (only joking)
Daz
to show that member has contributed/supported towards the project and maybe a newsletter
$5-10 above
$35 all of the above + final release
$45 all of the above + final release + early access
$55 all of the above + final release + early access + super dooper gold forum badge
$60+ A night on the town with Tony Hilliam / he pays for all the drinks (only joking)
Daz
Same old question here. Notice one game being dev'ed through KS is on offer for 50 $(Presumably US). Offer includes badges sound tracks etc. Could no doubt also throw in the downloadable teeshirt and mug. (Only need a printer.)
Problem with (N)everfail is that they churn all kinds of mickey mouse games (still waiting for the Gipsy Caravan Sim). Who's to say they won't use our money to fund those games for a quick profit? Not an unheard of stunt in the business.
So, forget the rubbish: will the next version of Trainz - Tr15 or whatever - cost more than 30 $(Aus) (which is the about the going rate)? Put otherwise, will I get the full game for a donation of $Aus30?
Answer in one word please...
Problem with (N)everfail is that they churn all kinds of mickey mouse games (still waiting for the Gipsy Caravan Sim). Who's to say they won't use our money to fund those games for a quick profit? Not an unheard of stunt in the business.
So, forget the rubbish: will the next version of Trainz - Tr15 or whatever - cost more than 30 $(Aus) (which is the about the going rate)? Put otherwise, will I get the full game for a donation of $Aus30?
Answer in one word please...
If you check you will find they do not create most of those micky mouse games, they are just a distribution outlet for them. Same as Valve does not create most of the games on Steam.
amigacooke
Well-known member
Disney made a fortune from Mickey Mouse games.
Seeing as how N3V have asked for ideas for Kickstarter pledge / rewards…
I can only suggest that they apply a similar principle as have other Kickstarter ventures – which has proven to work for many successful ventures.
So they have asked for some original ideas - then to be realistic what can one expect for a $5.00 donation? Possibly only an N3V keychain – but after manufacturing and handling, mail charges etc the return to N3V would be zip.
So let’s be realistic:
1. Expect nothing for $5.00 other than a thank you mention on the forum “Thank you in advance”!
2. $10.00 will get you a $5.00 discount in the Shop leaving $5.00 for N3V
Let’s be really realistic:
1. $50.00 – you get to play with a beta download version
2. $100.00 – you get a cdrom version with Instruction book
3. $150.00 – A deluxe boxed beta version, instruction book, 1 free version of DLC content loco and fold out shortcut key poster
4. $200.00 – A deluxe boxed version, instruction book, 1 free version of DLC content loco and fold out shortcut key poster and a choice of any N3V game
5. $500.00 – A deluxe boxed version, instruction book, 5 free versions of DLC content locos and fold out shortcut key poster and a choice of any 5 N3V games
6. $1000.00 – A collector edition crafted box version, instruction book, 10 free versions of DLC content locos and fold out shortcut key poster and a choice of any 5 N3V games, 25% discount on all N3V content for 1 year and a driver named after you
7. $5000.00 – A personalised handcrafted foot locker boxed version, instruction book, free versions of DLC content locos for 5 years and fold out shortcut key poster and a choice of any 10 N3V games, 30% discount on all N3V content for 5 years and a driver named after you and a choice of a commissioned in game asset of your choice plus the Raildriver attachment.
One would expect that any beta versions will be upgradable to a full version
Think $5000.00 is too much??? Well if you are a Trainz Veteran and enjoyed the ride for the past 10 years then your hobby has probably cost you this much so far see below:
2 computers = $4000
Computer upgrades = $2000
Trainz versions = $500
Payware = $2000
Running Costs= $1500
Total = $10,000
That’s only $1000 per year or $3.06 per day that’s a cheap hobby!!!
I reckon $5000 is worth it for another 10 years with a new Trainz engine
butler57
(take a deep breathe and let's be realistic for once)
I can only suggest that they apply a similar principle as have other Kickstarter ventures – which has proven to work for many successful ventures.
So they have asked for some original ideas - then to be realistic what can one expect for a $5.00 donation? Possibly only an N3V keychain – but after manufacturing and handling, mail charges etc the return to N3V would be zip.
So let’s be realistic:
1. Expect nothing for $5.00 other than a thank you mention on the forum “Thank you in advance”!
2. $10.00 will get you a $5.00 discount in the Shop leaving $5.00 for N3V
Let’s be really realistic:
1. $50.00 – you get to play with a beta download version
2. $100.00 – you get a cdrom version with Instruction book
3. $150.00 – A deluxe boxed beta version, instruction book, 1 free version of DLC content loco and fold out shortcut key poster
4. $200.00 – A deluxe boxed version, instruction book, 1 free version of DLC content loco and fold out shortcut key poster and a choice of any N3V game
5. $500.00 – A deluxe boxed version, instruction book, 5 free versions of DLC content locos and fold out shortcut key poster and a choice of any 5 N3V games
6. $1000.00 – A collector edition crafted box version, instruction book, 10 free versions of DLC content locos and fold out shortcut key poster and a choice of any 5 N3V games, 25% discount on all N3V content for 1 year and a driver named after you
7. $5000.00 – A personalised handcrafted foot locker boxed version, instruction book, free versions of DLC content locos for 5 years and fold out shortcut key poster and a choice of any 10 N3V games, 30% discount on all N3V content for 5 years and a driver named after you and a choice of a commissioned in game asset of your choice plus the Raildriver attachment.
One would expect that any beta versions will be upgradable to a full version
Think $5000.00 is too much??? Well if you are a Trainz Veteran and enjoyed the ride for the past 10 years then your hobby has probably cost you this much so far see below:
2 computers = $4000
Computer upgrades = $2000
Trainz versions = $500
Payware = $2000
Running Costs= $1500
Total = $10,000
That’s only $1000 per year or $3.06 per day that’s a cheap hobby!!!
I reckon $5000 is worth it for another 10 years with a new Trainz engine
butler57
(take a deep breathe and let's be realistic for once)
amigacooke
Well-known member
It's never going to be free if you have pledged some money. Any software KS that asks for pledges to develope a product then tries to charge recommended retail price for the final product on top isn't going to be very successful I'd suggest.
Have a look at the Elite Dangerous KickStarter to see a good example of a successful (after a few hiccups) campaign.
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KingConrail76
Active member
Problem is though, Trainz life-cycle is only 2-5 years (new version release-support of said), and the average user does NOT spend $1000.00 on a dedicated system.
--Even with having over $15,000 USD of HO Model Train equipment, my per day cost is less, because the life-cycle is 20+years, compared to the 2-5 of Virtual/computer games, at about $2.05 USD.
I'll bet $1.00 USD, that no one will pledge more than $250.00, unless there is some unbelievably spectacular reward...
Also, if observant, you'll notice most folks are talking about $1.00 to $10.00 pledges, with a handful willing to go $50.00
Another thing keeping a few of us who can afford, and would be willing to pledge large sums to the cause, is N3V's unwillingness to even discuss, let alone, change the policy of, the implementation of DRM.
KingConrail76
Active member
The core-aspects of the Game Engine have been developed to a point where testing and integration can begin. The Game Engine is not 100% complete, and reeady for release.
There is also the point that this Kickstarter project is for "TANE", not just the new Game Engine. The new Game Engine is going to be integrated into the existing products already, in due time..."TANE" is the new PC version of Trainz, and as such, any pledge (in an amount equal to/close to the retail price) for it, should receive a copy of the finished product.