Blue Passenger Pack

Vern

Trainz Maverick
Can’t see a specific thread for this, but can someone from N3V please explain why these are only available to Trainz Plus, I.e. subscription customers, and not those who bought the game outright whether direct or from Steam? Particularly as you are actually charging for the content on top of the subscription it seems.

Looking at the screenshots I have to take issue with the quality, given the asking price. The interior views particularly the window frames look wrong, not like a Mark One should appear. I notice there are no screenshots of the cab interiors either - for that price would be expecting detail on a par with what we now enjoy in TSW. How were the sounds sourced? Are they accurate new recordings and mixes or just reusing existing ones from years ago.

And when all is said and done, it’s hard to engage with this type of DLC when the player experience in Trainz remains so basic. Even after all these years there’s still no easy way to set up a player timetable run or scenario and have the AI signaller set the route for you, let alone a comprehensive all day timetable. Trainz has been left far behind in that respect by the other games - even SimRail and Diesel Railcar Simulator.
 
If you require an answer from N3V, your best bet is to post on the Discord server. They don't hang out here very much any more. You can send a notification to them on a forum post by putting @N3VSupport in your post.
 
Well, I guess the changes were in response to laws being passed around the world making companies that operate social media sites responsible for what gets posted on them. This is what the MyTrainz agreement says now.

(m) We have no obligation to monitor the Trainz Forum but we may do so.

If they don't monitor it then some lawyer in Brisbane thinks they can't be held responsible in court. If you ask, you get a boiler plate answer that is clearly lawyer speak.
 
Can’t see a specific thread for this, but can someone from N3V please explain why these are only available to Trainz Plus, I.e. subscription customers, and not those who bought the game outright whether direct or from Steam? Particularly as you are actually charging for the content on top of the subscription it seems.

Because they are exclusive to subscription customers. Pay more = get more. Sort of how the world works, no?

I downloaded them at no extra cost :)
 
Pay more = Get more. ? You mean pay rent and then lose it all once you leave the subscription lease agreement.
 
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Pay more = Get more. ? You mean pay rent and then lose it all once you leave the subscription lease agreement. LOl. Yeah keep dreamin'

Actually yes, that's how renting works.

Nobody is forcing Vern or any of the whinging minority to pay for a subscription.. but that subscription comes with certain benefits that I really struggle to find a reason to whine about. If you want them, buy them. If you don't want to pay, you don't get them.
 
I might add that employees of N3V should not be pushing the company line in this forum. The forum is for members. Cheers.

I'm pretty sure it's still N3V's forum and they can post what they like on here: which, might I add, for the most part are generally incredibly reasonable with what they allow. No way would TSW's official forum allow as much Trainz talk as Trainz's forum has allowed of TSW/RW/MSTS in the past.

There are numerous people complaining about N3V not being active enough on their own forums whilst you're advocating for the opposite as, no doubt, anything an N3V member says will be accused of pushing the company line.
 
"I'm pretty sure it's still N3V's forum and they can post what they like on here: which, might I add, for the most part are generally incredibly reasonable with what they allow. No way would TSW's official forum allow as much Trainz talk as Trainz's forum has allowed of TSW/RW/MSTS in the past.

There are numerous people complaining about N3V not being active enough on their own forums whilst you're advocating for the opposite as, no doubt, anything an N3V member says will be accused of pushing the company line."


Bravo, I agree. Though, bringing TSW into the conversation is totally irrelevant.
Having said that, for the sake of transparency, please be up front about whose interests you represent, when commenting on this forum. You have a direct financial relationship that profits from the company line. That's fine too. But please clarify and define your financial relationship with N3V, rather than "well known member" under your moniker.
At least, then, members on this forum will know whose interests you represent.
Not sure about the legalities, but morally, do the right thing. Fair enough?
 
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"I'm pretty sure it's still N3V's forum and they can post what they like on here: which, might I add, for the most part are generally incredibly reasonable with what they allow. No way would TSW's official forum allow as much Trainz talk as Trainz's forum has allowed of TSW/RW/MSTS in the past.

There are numerous people complaining about N3V not being active enough on their own forums whilst you're advocating for the opposite as, no doubt, anything an N3V member says will be accused of pushing the company line."


Bravo, I agree. Though, bringing TSW into the conversation is totally irrelevant.
Having said that, for the sake of transparency, please be up front about whose interests you represent, when commenting on this forum. You have a direct financial relationship that profits from the company line. That's fine too. But please clarify and define your financial relationship with N3V, rather than "well known member" under your moniker.
At least, then, members on this forum will know whose interests you represent.
Not sure about the legalities, but morally, do the right thing. Fair enough?

I have no financial relationship with N3V, other than I pay for Trainz Gold. If you’re referring to the Hotbox logo, other members in hotbox certainly sell their own content through the N3V store, but acting as if that makes them N3V staff is totally misleading anyway.

As for Trainz Gold, if you bought a new version of the game each time it came out, a first class ticket and a couple of DLC packs a year, you’d be worse off than if you subscribed to Trainz Gold yearly. It may not be for casual users, but to act as if it’s some country club membership with a bar set far too high is getting ridiculous.
 
I've been reading the forum discussion here and I have a few things i think should be brought up here.

Firstly seeing as its a hot issue in this discussion, i will say i am a third party content creator for Trainz, releasing DLC for the Store, however I am not employed by N3V, i am under no obligation to defend them or to tow a company line. So before that comes up like it did earlier with H222 who is in the same position as i am, I want to make clear all my opinions here are my own.

I think the complaints about the state of the game and comparing Trainz to other sims, some with bigger markets and bigger dev teams, is a little bit unfair, especially when the complaints about the subscription model being used for this DLC when subscription income is what pays for the development of the game. I mean if you want the game to have better features help fund the development of the game by getting silver and gold and in return getting great benefits like access to all DLC with gold and unique to gold packs like this.

Packs like the BR Blue Diesel pack simply would not exist without the gold subscription, to create 3 locomotives and a entire set of mk1s would take me working 5 days a week 9-5 easily 4-6 months of development. And as far as I'm aware N3Vs content team is a few contactors and a single staff member. (though I might be incorrect about these specifics i do not work for N3V nor do i speak for them) So the investment of resources here has been massive and I can tell you from doing this myself as a outright DLC the cost of development would not be earnt back and the pack would make a loss if it was released without gold. This means not only would a pack like this not be done again but the game would lose money which would affect development of the game etc.

If you don't want to get gold then that's fair enough, if your only interested in one DLC and paying the cost of gold for only one DLC is too much for you I think that's perfectly fair and you can do that! but that doesn't mean N3V should change their business model to meet the needs of a single customer who isn't interested in the gold subscription. Especially when this new subscription model is both allowing development of big DLCs like this last one, allowing users who want to use multiple DLCs huge savings and helping content creators like me be supported by a wave of users who wouldn't outright buy a DLC but would give my content a go with gold, which in return helps grows our UK community! I mean I know multiple users who have come into the UK Trainz space because of this very thing.

In regard to the sounds, i have used the locos from this pack a lot both during beta and currently now their released, the sounds are lovely, the models are mostly good, there are a few errors, but no ones perfect everyone's misses things myself included and they are things that I'm sure N3V will get onto and fix. But in regards to sounds, I mean N3V is a Australian company, idk how you could expect them to get new sounds sourced for these locos, without a great expense which like I mentioned previously they would most likely lose money on. If the sounds from the DLS are of high quality like they are and sound good, I really don't see the need to complain, Its unnecessary.

I have to say overall, and this is not just related to this thread, but the overall negativity from the UK userbase towards N3V the past years has been really unproductive and unhelpful, N3V make mistakes, as do i and others, these mistakes should be pointed out of course, so N3V knows and can fix the issues, which they've always tried to do. This is a really positive attitude and yet they still get a lot of heated complaints thrown towards them. The UK community has really suffered this past decade from creators moving to other Sims, This attitude is a big factor in why, if all we have to offer is intense negativity without a shred of positive feedback as well, why would N3V spend their own money and time making models for us, Why would creator like myself move into this space and create DLCs for the UK userbase? The Packs N3V have made have been brilliant both from a artwork standpoint and the performance friendly nature, they've made mistakes and got things wrong which is annoying and frustrating but they do make patches and update and fix things. And we as a community could be far nicer about feedback. I mean there's complaints N3V haven't been as active on the forums lately but when its majority insult complaint without even a little bit of positive feedback for DLCs which are majority of great quality, its no wonder their less active.

I think the complaints made often have a fair point but i think the community at large needs to create a better atmosphere to where we are less hostile with feedback and more supportive of pointing out where fixes are needed but keeping a positive atmosphere where we show we are happy that N3V are putting time into making content for our community.

Kind regards, Barney
 
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@H222. Wrong. I am far far better off financially without paying rental fees to N3V. Don t know where you get your figures from. Regardless, even if it were cheaper, I still would not rent. I prefer owning assets that I pay for. At least I own them, you? Nah they will never be yours.:ROFLMAO:
@pilotwoo. At least you are upfront about your financial relationship with N3V. Thank you for your honesty and candour.
Transparency is all that I ask. You have provided that.
Regards.
 
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@IsembardkingdomBruenel. Yes I am aware of this fact. However, I am referring to the the assets used in the game rather than the game software. I end up owning any purchases made through the N3V store, whereas those people who rent them, do not own them, once the rental agreement is ended by one party or the other.
 
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Again with the software! Yes the software that the game uses is only as temporary as the company is operating. No argument there. I agree with you.
Again like a broken record, I am referring to assets purchased through the store. NOT the software that the game runs on.
I own those items outright. There they sit on my hard drive. I don t lose them. They will always be there. Full stop.
Unfortunately, when you stop paying rent, Ka-blam! The items you rented are no longer on your hard drive! Unable to be used. Nada nix Nope! That is why I don t go into the rental market with N3V being the landlord. Talk about going off on a tangent. Sheesh.
You upset that i rocked the apple cart referring to those who make financial rewards out of more renters? Yes It is called conflict of interest, when mr hotbox cajoles, pushes , bullys and puts down those of us (the majority) who do not wish to pay rent, without admitting a financial reward out of more renters on the rolls, yes I will call that out. Or is it the word renter, which upsets and triggers you? Here: RENTERS = SUBSCRIBERS! Reality! :ROFLMAO:
Pilotwoo has admitted that he makes money out of the renters. Cool with that. Honesty and transparency is to be respected. Some fools find that funny, but in business, it is a serious matter.
 
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I read it as the point being made is that, while you may well own the models, there is precious little you can do with them if Trainz suddenly becomes unavailable, so in that instance where is the value in "owning" DLC? I don't see what all the fuss is about, I'd recommend Plus Gold to anyone.

Cheers,

PLP
 
Indeed PLP, what would be the use of anything bought OR rented if N3V goes bust. They have admitted that they would allow offline gaming if that were to eventuate. There is another thread on the forum, that discusses this issue. Sorry i don t have the link. Let s hope that does not happen.
 
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