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[Railwayz]

Whoa....can't you have a following train?

David

Yes, you can have a following train but only under staff and ticket working where the driver of the first train is shown the staff and then issued with a ticket for the section. This happens to each train heading in the same direction until the last train which would then be issued with the staff for the section.

This doesn't happen much anymore with modern track control methods except for during pilot staff working which also doesn't happen much anymore. Nowadays track circuits handle a lot of the work and more efficiently too! The old rule of Home and Starting signals still applies though.

Railwayz

 

[Raichase]

Yes, you can have a following train but only under staff and ticket working where the driver of the first train is shown the staff and then issued with a ticket for the section. This happens to each train heading in the same direction until the last train which would then be issued with the staff for the section

But even then, the same applies as if it was signalled - only one train may be in the section at a time. AFAIK, another ticket shouldn't be issued to a following train until the first train has cleared the section? Otherwise you run into the potential for accidents when the first train breaks down!

 

[Railwayz]

I was always under the belief that one could have intermediate points along the line with controlled signals to allow following movements. I've been wrong before though!

Yes, there can also be block posts, intermediate crossing loops etc to facilitate these movements. On the Richmond branch for example the distance of the crossing loops doesn't really cause any great impedance due to the relatively low amount of traffic. It is why they are slowly upgrading to double line such as they did with the Cronulla branch though so maybe mattm wouldn't be too far advanced if he double tracked it now.

Railwayz

 

[Railwayz]

But even then, the same applies as if it was signalled - only one train may be in the section at a time. AFAIK, another ticket shouldn't be issued to a following train until the first train has cleared the section? Otherwise you run into the potential for accidents when the first train breaks down!

Sorry I was answering your first post when you supplied this one. During heavy traffic they could sometimes allow a train into the section on time interval working. Generally though you're right, you had to wait for a train to clear the section before the following train could depart. This system wasn't meant for high volume traffic areas which is why the system has moved to track circuited solutions.
Miniature staff working also helped to speed things up quite a bit such as between Kiama-Berry-Bombaderry.

Railwayz

 

[Davido]

Ah, thanks for the explanation guys......... So you can't come down the line until all the up tickets get to where you are......so, if they keep coming along and getting up tickets and you're in the loop waiting to come down , you are basically staffed??
(joke) :hehe:

Gettin' my hat and coat :wave:

 

[mattm]

It is why they are slowly upgrading to double line such as they did with the Cronulla branch though so maybe mattm wouldn't be too far advanced if he double tracked it now.

Railwayz

Interesting discussion guys. Glad to see my ignorance has sparked a heated debate.:hehe:

Railwayz, I was tossing up whether or not to have the line single or doubled tracked; at the moment I am seriously considering double track, but we shall see.

Also, before we get anybodies hopes up, at the prospect of a true to life Cityrail route being in the works, I should make a few things clear.

1: This is not in any way intended to be a 'true to life' representation of the Richmond Branch. Yes, it will borrow some elements of the line, and surrounding area (town names for one) but that's it as far as realism is concerned.

2. I have a poor record when it comes to completing routes, fictional or otherwise. I'm hoping the fact that the terrain is already there, courtesy of TransDEM, will spur me on, but only time will tell.

Cheers,

Matt.

 

[Raichase]

Ah, thanks for the explanation guys......... So you can't come down the line until all the up tickets get to where you are......so, if they keep coming along and getting up tickets and you're in the loop waiting to come down , you are basically staffed??
(joke) :hehe:

Gettin' my hat and coat :wave:

David,

Generally, the staff needs to be where the next train will be departing from. You either need to have the staff, or sight the staff and collect a ticket. So if I have five trains, Up, Up, Down, Up, Down. The first train would sight the staff, then take a ticket. The second train would then follow with the staff (after the first train has exited the section). The third train would then take the staff back, only for the fourth train to take the staff back again!

Sadly the Ordinary Train Staff sections have been removed from the Network Rules and Procedures, otherwise I would just link them to you. I think I have a copy of them still around here someplace though.

 

[Tanvaras]

Miniature staff working also helped to speed things up quite a bit such as between Kiama-Berry-Bombaderry.

Railwayz

Arrh I remember those days, Lived at Minnamurra for quite a few years, catching the train to and from work.

@Davido - Some great content you recently released on your site mate. Thanks for sharing your talent to all us other Trainzers out there.

Cheers

Trent

 

[Davido]

David,

Generally, the staff needs to be where the next train will be departing from. You either need to have the staff, or sight the staff and collect a ticket. So if I have five trains, Up, Up, Down, Up, Down. The first train would sight the staff, then take a ticket. The second train would then follow with the staff (after the first train has exited the section). The third train would then take the staff back, only for the fourth train to take the staff back again!

Sadly the Ordinary Train Staff sections have been removed from the Network Rules and Procedures, otherwise I would just link them to you. I think I have a copy of them still around here someplace though.

Thanks Trent ....I was trying to have a bit of fun......but you have given me a really good serious answer and it does explain a confusing concept well.

@Davido - Some great content you recently released on your site mate. Thanks for sharing your talent to all us other Trainzers out there.

Cheers

Trent

And thanks Trent, I'm glad you appreciate my efforts ......even if I'm not funny?
LOL

David

 

[Raichase]

Thanks Trent ....I was trying to have a bit of fun......but you have given me a really good serious answer and it does explain a confusing concept well.

There's no place for FUN here, what do you think this is all some kind of GAME?

Oh, wait on.

 

[Davido]

There's no place for FUN here, what do you think this is all some kind of GAME?

Oh, wait on.

NOW you're gettin' with it!! :hehe:

 

[rbar_164]

too much talk, not enough screenshots :hehe:

...J513 pulls into Cobalt, runs around its short freight and heads back to Echuca...

Cheers
Stevo

 

[VinnyBarb]

Taggy,
The new IP cars have been done by Vinnybarb. Do a seach for his content and you should find it. There are also some Ghan cars aswell.

Yeah, an upgrade of these (Ghan, IP and generic) is in the pipeline with LODs, better bogies, normal mapping, passengers enabled, interior and possible opening doors. I measured these cars one by one with a measuring tape in Alice Springs where I used to live for 10 years, all their measurements are accurate as are the dimensions of the windows. As I could not get any plans of these from Comeng. As these cars were made for TRS04, hence they need a long overdue upgrade.

As I now have settled in OK in Peterborough SA, my new home, I am slowly getting back into creating. Especial the long overdue CLF and CL Classes.

The rail tracks here are passing my backyard fence, I see all the NR Classes every day going past.

FYI

VinnyBarb

 

[Tanvaras]

@Stevo - Mate simply amazing stuff, Look forward to checking it out, if you release it

NOW you're gettin' with it!! :hehe:

Hehe, As my lovely wife reminds me, You gota have more than 1 brain cell to have humor, so I am s^!t out of luck I am told LOL or as you mentioned earlier, I am staffed!

Great stuff lately folks, always inspirational stuff. Keep it up all

Cheers

Trent

 

[Davido]

@Stevo - Mate simply amazing stuff, Look forward to checking it out, if you release it



Hehe, As my lovely wife reminds me, You gota have more than 1 brain cell to have humor, so I am s^!t out of luck I am told LOL or as you mentioned earlier, I am staffed!

Great stuff lately folks, always inspirational stuff. Keep it up all

Cheers

Trent

Careful......you'll grow another brain cell :hehe:

 

[comtrain]

NOW you're gettin' with it!! :hehe:

Just to put some perspective into it David.
You were using signals along your route. Therefore you could have following trains and a reason for unmanned crossing loops, that is more signals :hehe:

On lightly used lines that were unlikely to have more than one train on the track, anyway, the Department would not waste money building infra structure. In Government owned days, yes, they would use staff (a big blob of tubular steel) and tickets (a piece of paper locked in a box by the staff. In other words you cannot get a ticket out of the box unless you have the staff)

In these privatised days these were replaced by Train Orders issued over the Train Radio.

But on heavily used lines where many trains operated it was generally decided by the previous Government operators to put in the infra structure, that is signals, and operate multiple trains opposing and following using forms of Lever lock and track Control, CTC or ATC or even Train Orders on the "longest straight" Today's modern railways operate under the direct control of Train Controllers sitting at desks up to hundreds of miles away using remote operated loops and signals or in low density areas manually operated points using the train crew using Train Authority / Orders.
I am Victorian based and certainly the safe working systems vary from State to State.
But here in Trainz land we are going to run more than one train for sure. Infra structure does not cost us dollars so lets use Natvander's fine signals

Cheers
Rod

 

[Davido]

But here in Trainz land we are going to run more than one train for sure. Infra structure does not cost us dollars so lets use Natvander's fine signals

Cheers
Rod

And weren't they a scripting nightmare........ A couple of years back, I spent a heap of time scripting a trackside object to control a section of single track to allow following movements but prevent opposing movements until the section was all clear........ it actually worked but I didn't trust it enough to release. It's gathering cyberdust somewhere.

 

[Raichase]

And weren't they a scripting nightmare........ A couple of years back, I spent a heap of time scripting a trackside object to control a section of single track to allow following movements but prevent opposing movements until the section was all clear........ it actually worked but I didn't trust it enough to release. It's gathering cyberdust somewhere.

As fun as that sounds , I just use triggers to control junctions for my sessions - I've long since given up allowing the AI to control trains by itself, as they usually end up getting stuck. For example, on my current project (almost a year in to it now), there is a double track section, then a single track mainline with shunting yard (ie you cannot cross trains there), then a passing loop. Naturally, if you trust the AI, you end up staring down an opposing movement in the single track section, and if you try to route the AI train into the container yard, it just resets the road...

 

[Davido]

As fun as that sounds , I just use triggers to control junctions for my sessions - I've long since given up allowing the AI to control trains by itself, as they usually end up getting stuck. For example, on my current project (almost a year in to it now), there is a double track section, then a single track mainline with shunting yard (ie you cannot cross trains there), then a passing loop. Naturally, if you trust the AI, you end up staring down an opposing movement in the single track section, and if you try to route the AI train into the container yard, it just resets the road...

Not that I spend a lot of time on routes, I'm usually painting,meshing or scripting, so AI gets the road on my routes. I don't usually use "drive to" but "autopilot to" (or something like that) seems to behave differently and gets us where we're going via trackmarks etc.

 

[Harry1986]

Nice shots of the IP MK II,Davido...They look real

Couple shots from Acacia Ridge yard with Quad NR's at the fuel depot getting fuel and crew signing on before attaching to its load.



A steelie prepares to leave Acacia Ridge on sunset bound for Sydney with another NR combo sitting in the yard.


Cheers Harry