A Sad End to an Epic Run for Me with Trainz.

wreeder said:
So true, we do have more than our fair share of people who when unable to support their opinions resort to straw man arguments.
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I have no problem supporting my arguments. Unfortunately N3V doesn't agree and resorts to the we can't accommodate everyone when the issue is not trying to add more features or rush out hasty products and spend quality time addressing deficiencies that are well documented.
 
AdvancedApproach said:
Why not? It makes it look far more realistic. AI Drivers use dynamic breaking to power their trains even on straight and level track. Even on inclines as well. Dynamic breaking was designed for descending grades. There's a reason why it's never used for any other application in real world railroading.
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How on earth can I ask my poor fireman that? Each to his own. In days of kettles...:eek:
 
AdvancedApproach said:
Unless they get it together and just do as the customer like myself says, more people will leave and eventually could lead to N3V's downfall much like Auran. Fixing the digholes or discontinuing them, changing or doing away with achievements, switching standard control for AI drivers from DCC to CAB Mode are some things that need to be addressed. While we're at it, the functionality of industries needs to be changed too. This is why I clamored for boycotts for this exact same reason. Destroying their bottom line will force them to appease the customer base. That's what the need to do.
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We're just passengers on the N3V train. If you don't like the ride or destination, you can always get off at the next station (version). Meanwhile, unless you're in the driver's seat, i.e. have an owners stake, or have a really reliable crystal ball, why would they do as you say?
 
IsambardKingdomBrunel said:
I don't think what i saw was a special lite version buddy.
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The thumbnail is deceptive. That is Windows 11 Long Term Support Contract (LTSC). It replaces the old Enterprise versions. Basically it is fully up to date version of Windows 11 but with a support contract for 10 years. Best of all, it doesn't have all the bloatware that comes with Windows 11 and it never gets feature updates. Once it is installed all you get are security updates. But there is a big catch, only customers with enterprise level licensing can use it. It was released the day before my post.
 
martinvk said:
Which was the issue for every product out there. Ask Myspace, Altavista, MapQuest, etc.
The question is how representative are those complaining here of the all the Trainz users?
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I guess people found better products and switched over, I certainly did from Altavista to Google and from MSTS to Trainz.

Obviously for those on a subscription, it's not a problem because that's a rolling product. I guess retail versions that can fail after a limited time is another little incentive to push people towards a subscription, or push them to another product.
 
martinvk said:
Meanwhile, unless you're in the driver's seat, i.e. have an owners stake, or have a really reliable crystal ball, why would they do as you say?
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I suspect (without any firm evidence) that many of us have our own list of "priority issues" with Trainz. For example: arguing that the AI interface, the driver command bar, must be moved to the Cab controls because it would be "more realistic". Some of us go even further by demanding that the issue must be fixed "immediately" or they will "walk" and go elsewhere.
amigacooke said:
or push them to another product.
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If a user finds a better product then they should go for it. Your $US39.99 for TRS22 (standard), or even $US19.99 for TRS19, does not require a lifetime commitment to the brand. Nor does a Trainz Plus subscription where you have the option to not renew.
 
pware said:
I suspect (without any firm evidence) that many of us have our own list of "priority issues" with Trainz. For example: arguing that the AI interface, the driver command bar, must be moved to the Cab controls because it would be "more realistic". Some of us go even further by demanding that the issue must be fixed "immediately" or they will "walk" and go elsewhere.

If a user finds a better product then they should go for it. Your $US39.99 for TRS22 (standard), or even $US19.99 for TRS19, does not require a lifetime commitment to the brand. Nor does a Trainz Plus subscription where you have the option to not renew.
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So what? I have very firm evidence. Now some things I've advocated for might be an overreach but others numerous people agree with.
 
You mean to tell me having AI operate under cab mode instead of DCC mode would be a bad thing? You're acting like that would force us to operate the trains ourselves. That's not what I'm pushing for. Just more realistic operations. N3V could implement this while still ensuring that AI will not need more oversight when driving than they already do.
 
pware said:
Then I would ask why a Cab Mode "enthusiast" would ever want to use the AI in Cab Mode (or even use the AI for that matter)? The user is not in control of the train so why bother? And, if your point about the AI not using Cab Mode realistically is correct, then that is another reason for not changing the standard AI interface from the Basic controls to the Cab controls. In any case I do all my manual and AI driving in Basic mode and do not touch Cab mode.
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Why bother because of this:
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Trainz+ here on TRS22. There's a reason I always hold off when it comes time for a patch. Seems lately every new patch comes with some new bugs.

Matt
 
pware said:
Then I would ask why a Cab Mode "enthusiast" would ever want to use the AI in Cab Mode (or even use the AI for that matter)? The user is not in control of the train so why bother? And, if your point about the AI not using Cab Mode realistically is correct, then that is another reason for not changing the standard AI interface from the Basic controls to the Cab controls. In any case I do all my manual and AI driving in Basic mode and do not touch Cab mode.
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You may only use basic mode. I only use cab mode. Not having realistic operation under the current format is even more reason to change this.
 
AdvancedApproach said:
You may only use basic mode. I only use cab mode.
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We have different opinions and preferences.
AdvancedApproach said:
I have very firm evidence. Now some things I've advocated for might be an overreach but others numerous people agree with.
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You have firm opinions (and there is nothing wrong with that) but don't confuse opinions with evidence. And who are these "numerous" people who agree with you?

My opinions.
 
pware said:
We have different opinions and preferences.

You have firm opinions (and there is nothing wrong with that) but don't confuse opinions with evidence. And who are these "numerous" people who agree with you?

My opinions.
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All the users whom have given me a thumbs up reaction to my posts.
 
pware said:
If a user finds a better product then they should go for it.
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There are elements of Trainz I like, there are elements that have recently appeared I do not like and there are some former strengths that I think are now a weakness.

N3V ask for feedback and as it costs nothing but my time, I give it :)
 
This may be a sad end for me too.

This is what happens when I load a consist into Trainz 22 Mac SP 5 version 128490 running on Mac OS Sequoia.

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This is what happens when I try to move it.

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Blurring happens randomly, some car blur other do not. Car from different creators blur. At the moment I have no idea why this happens. John Citron has indicated Trainz 22 SP 5 is not compatible with a Mac. it was working until I updated to Sequoia (see https://doug56.net/CPRMS1880s/). Unfortunately it is not possible to go back to Mac OS Mojave.

I gather from what others have said, the best advice is to stick with Trainz 2019.

I am going to miss the HD shown in https://doug56.net/CPRMS1880s/.

Cayden
 
Cayden said:
This may be a sad end for me too.

This is what happens when I load a consist into Trainz 22 Mac SP 5 version 128490 running on Mac OS Sequoia.

xH6f5Nq.jpg


This is what happens when I try to move it.

jLFtowy.jpg


Blurring happens randomly, some car blur other do not. Car from different creators blur. At the moment I have no idea why this happens. John Citron has indicated Trainz 22 SP 5 is not compatible with a Mac. it was working until I updated to Sequoia (see https://doug56.net/CPRMS1880s/). Unfortunately it is not possible to go back to Mac OS Mojave.

I gather from what others have said, the best advice is to stick with Trainz 2019.

I am going to miss the HD shown in https://doug56.net/CPRMS1880s/.

Cayden
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N3V is working on a fix. There was another post asking the same question.
 
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