Hi all. I am looking at buying TS2009 WBE, or maybe 2010 (if it includes World Builder), or TS2006. The site for TS2009 WBE claims that 2009 needs Windows XP Service Pack 3 in order to run as a minimum requirement, but the specs at the helpdesk claims it can run on XP SP2. I am not willing to install XP3. Does this mean I won't be able to run and develop routes for TS2009? I am willing to use TS2006 if necessary but I'd rather design for the best edition currently available.
XP Service Pack
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Hi, from my own experience XP SP2 is needed to patch TS09 but having XP SP3 will do the same and might even be better to run programs. I had XP SP1 on my PC and after installing TS09, this run very well with it. Only trying to patch to TS 09 SP1, this refused to patch, no matter what I tried and crashed the patch/upgrade.
Only upgrading to XP SP2 allowed me to patch TS 09 SP1 but I since have upgraded my XP Pro to SP3 as there was nothing to lose doing so.
Cheers
VinnyBarb
Only upgrading to XP SP2 allowed me to patch TS 09 SP1 but I since have upgraded my XP Pro to SP3 as there was nothing to lose doing so.
Cheers
VinnyBarb
mm i run xp sp3, i keep my windows updated,, i had no problems
with tro 06 and xp pro
Evolve or become extinct? 
As one who recently upgraded his OS to win XP service pack 3 I must ask why you wouldn't consider upgrading to it? I know the download is a bit hefty but theoretically, SP 3 would be faster, safer and more modern/compatible with everything. A computer guru can disprove me at their leisure if they'd like (and I'd learn a lot in the process) but I can't complain about XP or SP 3 and only wish I had been able to use it sooner.
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Gisa ^^
As one who recently upgraded his OS to win XP service pack 3 I must ask why you wouldn't consider upgrading to it? I know the download is a bit hefty but theoretically, SP 3 would be faster, safer and more modern/compatible with everything. A computer guru can disprove me at their leisure if they'd like (and I'd learn a lot in the process) but I can't complain about XP or SP 3 and only wish I had been able to use it sooner.
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Gisa ^^
The problem is Windows Genuine Advantage required for XP SP3. WGA requires an active internet connection in order to validate your copy of Windows. Otherwise, you're SOL. All my Windows are volume-licenses or retail. The *HUGE* problem in that (which affects the basic functionality of Vista and, potentially, Windows 7, and is why I cannot use them for internal machines) is that NOT EVERYBODY RUNS MACHINES WITH A NETWORK/INTERNET CONNECTION! Half of my dozen machines are not internet-enabled, for a variety of reasons; I run some offline machines, (as do many of my clients, as I am a security consultant) also do not run internet-enabled machines where security is of critical importance. I only run internet-enabled machines where there is a need to do so (email, web browsing, some stages of binary analysis, etc.) Internet is not a given, which some Os developers seem to think.
Not that TS2009 is of critical importance. It's just that Aurea has effectively shut me out of the development of TS2009-related products by binding me to a Service Pack that I cannot use. If there is some kind of patch then great. Otherwise, it precludes my purchase and development of TS2009 products. I am at least happy that I found out now before buying the sim. If TS2006 is a reasonable development platform and can give decent renderings of content, then I will stick to development for it. But I will absolutely not re-invent the wheel for another platform 2 or 3 years down the road; I just want a platform I can stick with and with which I can commit to for what likely will at least be a large-scale development of Philadelphia-area routes if not much more.*
*As a Flight Simulator 4 user, I developed many dozens of scenery sets back in the day, being more interested in developing airports and cityscapes than the simulation itself. I can only hope Trainz, whatever version it may be, is as enjoyable in which to create content. But I'm not willing to go back to square one with every new release.
Not that TS2009 is of critical importance. It's just that Aurea has effectively shut me out of the development of TS2009-related products by binding me to a Service Pack that I cannot use. If there is some kind of patch then great. Otherwise, it precludes my purchase and development of TS2009 products. I am at least happy that I found out now before buying the sim. If TS2006 is a reasonable development platform and can give decent renderings of content, then I will stick to development for it. But I will absolutely not re-invent the wheel for another platform 2 or 3 years down the road; I just want a platform I can stick with and with which I can commit to for what likely will at least be a large-scale development of Philadelphia-area routes if not much more.*
*As a Flight Simulator 4 user, I developed many dozens of scenery sets back in the day, being more interested in developing airports and cityscapes than the simulation itself. I can only hope Trainz, whatever version it may be, is as enjoyable in which to create content. But I'm not willing to go back to square one with every new release.
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Ah I see...
I didn't know you had to validate XP service pack 3. I suppose you could acquire the service pack via CD or from another downloaded source and then authenticate it via an internet connection which maybe you could set up for the bare minimum of time you need it to connect for.
Up until fairly recently, I was using windows 2000 as my base o.s and was disappointed in that purchasing 09 would force me to upgrade to XP or higher. Where I live makes it hard to get an English version of XP, but thankfully I work for the government here and they have extra legal versions of XP which I was happy to acquire (and which I do use at home to do extra work).
I suppose microsoft has no other alternative thanks to piracy in order to authenticate their software. Perhaps the folks at Auran were trying to maximize framerates and ease compatibility which is probably why they made it a point to have sp3 is a base minimum.
You can go with 06 in the meantime if you want or possibly hold out until windows 7 becomes stable and commonplace and just go with whatever trainz appeals to you then. I still have and still use 04 (and there are many many many of us here on the forums who still create for that as well) so you could go back that far if you wished, although 06 or 09 is probably the better place to start from scratch from.
There's my 2 cents...
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Gisa ^^
I didn't know you had to validate XP service pack 3. I suppose you could acquire the service pack via CD or from another downloaded source and then authenticate it via an internet connection which maybe you could set up for the bare minimum of time you need it to connect for.
Up until fairly recently, I was using windows 2000 as my base o.s and was disappointed in that purchasing 09 would force me to upgrade to XP or higher. Where I live makes it hard to get an English version of XP, but thankfully I work for the government here and they have extra legal versions of XP which I was happy to acquire (and which I do use at home to do extra work).
I suppose microsoft has no other alternative thanks to piracy in order to authenticate their software. Perhaps the folks at Auran were trying to maximize framerates and ease compatibility which is probably why they made it a point to have sp3 is a base minimum.
You can go with 06 in the meantime if you want or possibly hold out until windows 7 becomes stable and commonplace and just go with whatever trainz appeals to you then. I still have and still use 04 (and there are many many many of us here on the forums who still create for that as well) so you could go back that far if you wished, although 06 or 09 is probably the better place to start from scratch from.
There's my 2 cents...
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Gisa ^^
Thanks folks. I'll try an XP3 patch on one of my test machines before buying TS2009. I'll keep you posted if it works. FYI, the validation issue is less of a problem with OEM versions of Windows of major manufacturers (though that's not saying much 
,) but retail, volume-licensed Windows can be trickier.
,) but retail, volume-licensed Windows can be trickier.fullsteamahead
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I am at a loss to understand all of this. If you have XP automatically updated - which you absolutely should for security reasons - then sp3 will already have been installed without you hardly knowing it. To check go to Start - Control Panel - System under the general tab you will see that Service Pack has been installed. If not then go to automatic actualizaciones (no idea how to translate ) and make sure it is updated automatically preferably on a daily basis.
Andrew
Andrew
RRSignal,
May I suggest you consider buying TS2010 EE (it's the full product) rather than TS2009 WBE and save yourself some money (by not having to upgrade later)?
Link via the banner at the top of this forum page. It's due out soon......
Chris
See the bolded quote below.
The problem is Windows Genuine Advantage required for XP SP3. WGA requires an active internet connection in order to validate your copy of Windows. Otherwise, you're SOL. All my Windows are volume-licenses or retail. The *HUGE* problem in that (which affects the basic functionality of Vista and, potentially, Windows 7, and is why I cannot use them for internal machines) is that NOT EVERYBODY RUNS MACHINES WITH A NETWORK/INTERNET CONNECTION! Half of my dozen machines are not internet-enabled, for a variety of reasons; I run some offline machines, (as do many of my clients, as I am a security consultant) also do not run internet-enabled machines where security is of critical importance. I only run internet-enabled machines where there is a need to do so (email, web browsing, some stages of binary analysis, etc.) Internet is not a given, which some Os developers seem to think.
Not that TS2009 is of critical importance. It's just that Aurea has effectively shut me out of the development of TS2009-related products by binding me to a Service Pack that I cannot use. If there is some kind of patch then great. Otherwise, it precludes my purchase and development of TS2009 products. I am at least happy that I found out now before buying the sim. If TS2006 is a reasonable development platform and can give decent renderings of content, then I will stick to development for it. But I will absolutely not re-invent the wheel for another platform 2 or 3 years down the road; I just want a platform I can stick with and with which I can commit to for what likely will at least be a large-scale development of Philadelphia-area routes if not much more.*
*As a Flight Simulator 4 user, I developed many dozens of scenery sets back in the day, being more interested in developing airports and cityscapes than the simulation itself. I can only hope Trainz, whatever version it may be, is as enjoyable in which to create content. But I'm not willing to go back to square one with every new release.
:wave:
Gisa ^^
fullsteamahead
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"The problem is ...... is that NOT EVERYBODY RUNS MACHINES WITH A NETWORK/INTERNET CONNECTION!"
Realistically how can you run TRS without an internet connection?
Andrew
Realistically how can you run TRS without an internet connection?
Andrew
Does TS2010 EE have all the same design and development features of TS2009 WBE? I see it has the tree designer and layers, which look like useful tools, but Auran's details of the product seem to be lacking. I haven't even been able to find much detail from other threads.
Also, does anybody know the system requirements for 2010?
I'm not too concerned about the price, BTW. To be blunt, I think Trainz will be a bargain if I can get half as much mileage out of it as I got with MS Flight Sim, MSTS, etc. I look at it this way: It costs the same as dinner for two at a decent restaurant and I'll still be having fun with it the next day and the day after that!
Also, does anybody know the system requirements for 2010?
I'm not too concerned about the price, BTW. To be blunt, I think Trainz will be a bargain if I can get half as much mileage out of it as I got with MS Flight Sim, MSTS, etc. I look at it this way: It costs the same as dinner for two at a decent restaurant and I'll still be having fun with it the next day and the day after that!
I do and do this VERY WELL too. If I need to d/load something from the DLS, I do this on my Internet PC (no TRS/TS installed on it) via FTP. Transfering the downloads via memory stick to my games PC. Same with uploads of my created content, creating this on a non internet connected PC, transfering this to my INet PC and uploading via my profile.
You might ask why I do this somewhat extra work? Well, my non Inet PCs (one is my gaming PC, the other my creating PC) had NO crashes, virus attacks, java script changes, browser hijackings, spam attacks or whatever other Internet based nasties you can think of for the last 2 plus years, hence my OS stayed untouched for the same period except when I had to upgrade to XP Pro SP3. And this I did from a cover DVD from a PC magazine with SP3 on it. That is why.
On my Inet PC, I have my OS on my C: Drive, all other programs are on other partitions or drives and on the rare occasion I had to re install my OS there, minimum fuss or delays reinstalling other stuff again as I do regular registry backups to reenter all registry details when needed after reinstalling the OS. That is why
. Sensible? Me thinks so as even with all antivirus software, firewalls etc. installed on it there will always be the rare occasion something nasty will get through.My 2 cents worth.
VinnyBarb
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Yes - plus the new features like Layers.
TS2010 does not have the tree designer, which is a very expensive specialist product, TS2010 has support for Speedtree trees and will include an (unspecified) number of them.
See Speedtree here http://www.speedtree.com/ and just check out the prices!
You will still be able to use TS2009 standard trees etc. from creators like Jankvis and TNM.
Not published yet but I expect they will be be about the same as for TS2009 or only marginally higher.
...I think Trainz will be a bargain if I can get half as much mileage out of it as I got with MS Flight Sim, MSTS, etc. I look at it this way: It costs the same as dinner for two at a decent restaurant and I'll still be having fun with it the next day and the day after that!
Agreed!
Cheers
Chris