why we talking about TS 14 when TS12 still has major problems
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Ok well then what smart suggestion do you have? It's actually very true. There are a lot of loopholes content creators must go through. Why don't you just ask the people at Jointed Rail how time consuming it is?
We do fix and remove broken and outdated assets. The weaving of the cars is a bug neither of what you said will end or the bell in every locomotive sounding off but yet only the horn in the locomotive being driven can be activated. As far as bugs go, aside from those two and all four lanes of the road on the 4L being used there really isn't much left. But I see the issue with SP1 is that my CMP has been prone to crashing more often as well as the game itself. I run a 64 bit laptop but can only go up to 32 bit. I don't see how that makes any sense whatsoever but I guess there's nothing I can do about that. The only fix I can really see as noticeable is the weaving of the cars. Also when I'm filling the baseboards with textures I'm seeing weirdness. I'm trying to cover up the cells but there's certain spots that I hit but no texture covers it, it's been mostly near the railroad tracks for whatever reason, I don't know why though. So I have to save and exit surveyor and come back and some of it would be covered but most not, and the grids would be turned diagonally. This is with SP1.
It's not so much as fixing all of them before releasing, but at least making a couple here and there and not have more bugs than before. In older version of Trainz, like 2004, 2006 and 2009 I never had weaving cars. Occasionally they run through the crossings but that was the only major bug. It's become an issue in TS12.
If you can then read this. I'm sure you'd all have something different to say afterwards.
http://rrmods.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2642
http://rrmods.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2642
The reason why it is not the smartest suggestion is....
* wait for it *
... it is already announced almost 2 weeks ago:
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/content.php?68-TWOR-E2-TANE-Kickstarter-Nov-13
Read point 3.
A few topics about it or related to it. Example:
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...NE-(T2)-Questions-what-would-you-like-to-know
I can take a very old computer and put 64-bit Windows on it, that doesn't make it a very powerful machine. Considering you're getting frames as low as 19 on your little route suggests that neither is yours.
Hi everybody.
Speaking for myself I certainly would not expect to see any further major updates to trainz 12. After all, would any forum member spend money on an old car that they were going to sell anyway.
As someone who has just retired (well, semi-retired) and has returned to trainz as a hobby rather than just another game after seven very busy years I find that much has changed. As I try to resume building my North Devon route in trainz 10 it would seem that the download station is somewhat of a mess with a considerable amount of the content being faulty. I then bought trainz 12 only to find that initially it would not fire up at all, and after three weeks of tweaking is still crashes to desktop quite regularly.
With all the above said, it would seem to me that a new start is most definitely needed. Bringing forward a new trainz version with a new core engine and then placing the distribution of the simulator on steam is I believe very much the way to go. PC sales worldwide are dropping like a stone with gaming machines very much a niche market and therefore becoming even more costly as that niche market shrinks.
Steam has recently been freely distributing limited numbers of a beta version set-top box that will link its distributed games to any smart TV. My guess would be that the smart TV will handle all the graphics while the set-top box deals with everything else which will include content creation for games that require it. The sales of smart TVs in Britain and throughout Europe have increased dramatically over the past two years while the cost of buying them has fallen by equally dramatic numbers.
Therefore let N3V produce the trainz version and let steam handle the distribution which will include the transition from a mainly based PC full version to new and other formats on which a full version including content creation can be handled.
Bill
Speaking for myself I certainly would not expect to see any further major updates to trainz 12. After all, would any forum member spend money on an old car that they were going to sell anyway.
As someone who has just retired (well, semi-retired) and has returned to trainz as a hobby rather than just another game after seven very busy years I find that much has changed. As I try to resume building my North Devon route in trainz 10 it would seem that the download station is somewhat of a mess with a considerable amount of the content being faulty. I then bought trainz 12 only to find that initially it would not fire up at all, and after three weeks of tweaking is still crashes to desktop quite regularly.
With all the above said, it would seem to me that a new start is most definitely needed. Bringing forward a new trainz version with a new core engine and then placing the distribution of the simulator on steam is I believe very much the way to go. PC sales worldwide are dropping like a stone with gaming machines very much a niche market and therefore becoming even more costly as that niche market shrinks.
Steam has recently been freely distributing limited numbers of a beta version set-top box that will link its distributed games to any smart TV. My guess would be that the smart TV will handle all the graphics while the set-top box deals with everything else which will include content creation for games that require it. The sales of smart TVs in Britain and throughout Europe have increased dramatically over the past two years while the cost of buying them has fallen by equally dramatic numbers.
Therefore let N3V produce the trainz version and let steam handle the distribution which will include the transition from a mainly based PC full version to new and other formats on which a full version including content creation can be handled.
Bill
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mezzoprezzo
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Hi Bill.
If you’d bought a car that hadn’t worked properly since the time of purchase wouldn’t you have got the distributor to fix it, or demanded a refund? It must be enough to drive you to drink (cider of course!).
The PC must surely be the preferred tool for asset and route creation (I wonder how many simulators have been developed solely on a tablet, Smartphone or gaming machine!) So NV3 need to keep a PC version available if they seriously expect creators to continue to make stuff.
Like many people, even before Edward Snowden's revelations, I see smart TVs as an intrusion into my home. I won’t have one. There are enough gadgets tracking and recording our daily family activities without adding another one.
I had a Steam account and haven’t used it for years. I was involved with playing Counterstrike Source on line and had some bad experiences. I now won’t go near any software which involves the Steam name.
Rant over.
Enjoy the retirement Bill. Trainz is a great way of passing the time.
Cheers
Casper
While hardware is a factor, age of a PC isn't totally relevant. Although I now have a "modern" gaming rig, even my old socket 775 crapbox runs circles around many modern PCs, because it is very carefully configured for gaming and nothing else.
Something tells me you did understood what I was trying to say pretty well, but just in case you did not let me rephrase myself:
I switch from what was 8 years ago an average PC to what is an average PC today.
I didn't see anything about TS14. Plus my laptop was supposed to be an upgrade of sorts over the desktop. Maybe it can't handle the framrates as I have loaded it with a lot of content. The graphics card is a 640x1GB and has 4GB RAM with 2.4GHz turbocharged to 3.4GHz. I have to figure out how to get the turbocharge but that should be easy.
mezzoprezzo
Content appreciator
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Hi Kris,
It's called over clocking and it's done within the BIOS, it's best to only overclock to about 25-30%+ of the normal running as it'll cause it to heat up faster and it'll shorten CPU life much quicker above that, my LGA 1156 is only about 2 years old and is over clocked to 3.12ghz, it is also starting to die, it'll max out about 3.6ghz, but I'd rather extend it's life.
However I have no problems in TS12 SP1 HF3, here's a screenshot http://s134.photobucket.com/user/Azervich/media/azervich_20131105_0004_zpsa0d4dd4b.jpg.html I get really good framerates
The only time I have crashes is when a asset has a bad script which causes a fatal error then crashes to Desktop, another cause of bad performance is assets that take up allot of resources, mainly those that are really high poly with no LOD's and have 40+ textures per model.
Cheers.
It's called over clocking and it's done within the BIOS, it's best to only overclock to about 25-30%+ of the normal running as it'll cause it to heat up faster and it'll shorten CPU life much quicker above that, my LGA 1156 is only about 2 years old and is over clocked to 3.12ghz, it is also starting to die, it'll max out about 3.6ghz, but I'd rather extend it's life.
However I have no problems in TS12 SP1 HF3, here's a screenshot http://s134.photobucket.com/user/Azervich/media/azervich_20131105_0004_zpsa0d4dd4b.jpg.html I get really good framerates
The only time I have crashes is when a asset has a bad script which causes a fatal error then crashes to Desktop, another cause of bad performance is assets that take up allot of resources, mainly those that are really high poly with no LOD's and have 40+ textures per model.
Cheers.
Hi Casper and everybody.
Casper, great response to my posting on the previous page, by the time I had finished reading it I felt like I was lying on the morticians slab being dissected bit by bit as he endeavoured to find out what made be tick.
I will now humbly try to respond to some of the points you made.
I would certainly not disagree that the PC is at the present time the preferred tool for content creation. However, there are now many young people who do not own a PC and are unlikely to ever own one. Their spare time IT interests centre around the social networks for which they use their smart phones and tablets as the sole method of connection as well as for the “light weight” gaming that is now so popular. Games which call for heavy graphics, quad core processors and large amounts of RAM are now mainly in the gaming console market such as Xbox etc. That leaves simulation games such as trainz whose users create content to keep them alive rather out on their own, as to them it is a hobby rather than just a game.
Therefore, with PC sales dramatically falling worldwide set-top boxes attached to smart TVs which will accommodate interaction such as content creation may be the only way forward in the medium to long-term for many of the simulation games. With the distribution of beta versions of these set-top boxes now ongoing, it seems to be very much the way that steam are viewing the future.
Casper, I can fully understand and respect your views on smart TVs etc. I believe we have become (certainly in Britain) a nation of two halves with regard to the constant online integration which seems to be taking place in every part of our lives. The foregoing divide without doubt goes back to how we lead or have led our working lives. I believe I am typical of many millions who especially in the last 10 years have found virtually every minute of their working lives dominated by Internet communication through emails, Skype calls, online conferencing and with everything being held on the cloud in the last five years we continuously upload and download all kinds of documents for various levels of access.
I must have travelled many hundreds of thousands of miles on the British rail network over the last 10 years or more, those trains now have Wi-Fi networks as well as 3G connections which means that even while travelling you can be writing reports on laptops (or these days tablets) and send them into the office so that they arrive even before you get back. Therefore those of us who have backgrounds such as the above do not perceive in any way online communication which includes smart TVs etc in our homes as an intrusion as it has become just very much part of our everyday life.
I have had a steam account for approximately 5 years with several simulation games held on it which include rail simulator (railworks) and ship simulator amongst a few others. What I do like about steam is that all the updates are carried out automatically almost without you knowing each time that the PC is booted. I have never had any problem with any of the core games or any of the add-ons I have bought also through steam.
Again I can understand why anyone would not wish to have to be online while running their application, or feel that there is security implications in doing that. Some also obviously feel that steam could go out of business leaving them with nothing in the process. However, one thing I did learn in all my years in industrial safety was that everything you do has some risk.
Yes, steam or any other online company could go bust tomorrow and you would indeed be left with nothing. On the other hand you could keep everything on your computer in your own home, backed up on disc and hard drive but then your home burns down or is flooded and again you are left with nothing. As stated, everything has some risk attached.
You could of course save everything in your own home and also back it up on the cloud, but you could bet your life that when your house burned down the drawer where you kept all the passwords etc will also go up with it. However, that would probably be the most risk adverse but most complex way of ensuring your content is saved but would anybody want to do that with trainz 12, is it really worth it?:hehe:
Bill
Casper, great response to my posting on the previous page, by the time I had finished reading it I felt like I was lying on the morticians slab being dissected bit by bit as he endeavoured to find out what made be tick.
I will now humbly try to respond to some of the points you made.
I would certainly not disagree that the PC is at the present time the preferred tool for content creation. However, there are now many young people who do not own a PC and are unlikely to ever own one. Their spare time IT interests centre around the social networks for which they use their smart phones and tablets as the sole method of connection as well as for the “light weight” gaming that is now so popular. Games which call for heavy graphics, quad core processors and large amounts of RAM are now mainly in the gaming console market such as Xbox etc. That leaves simulation games such as trainz whose users create content to keep them alive rather out on their own, as to them it is a hobby rather than just a game.
Therefore, with PC sales dramatically falling worldwide set-top boxes attached to smart TVs which will accommodate interaction such as content creation may be the only way forward in the medium to long-term for many of the simulation games. With the distribution of beta versions of these set-top boxes now ongoing, it seems to be very much the way that steam are viewing the future.
Casper, I can fully understand and respect your views on smart TVs etc. I believe we have become (certainly in Britain) a nation of two halves with regard to the constant online integration which seems to be taking place in every part of our lives. The foregoing divide without doubt goes back to how we lead or have led our working lives. I believe I am typical of many millions who especially in the last 10 years have found virtually every minute of their working lives dominated by Internet communication through emails, Skype calls, online conferencing and with everything being held on the cloud in the last five years we continuously upload and download all kinds of documents for various levels of access.
I must have travelled many hundreds of thousands of miles on the British rail network over the last 10 years or more, those trains now have Wi-Fi networks as well as 3G connections which means that even while travelling you can be writing reports on laptops (or these days tablets) and send them into the office so that they arrive even before you get back. Therefore those of us who have backgrounds such as the above do not perceive in any way online communication which includes smart TVs etc in our homes as an intrusion as it has become just very much part of our everyday life.
I have had a steam account for approximately 5 years with several simulation games held on it which include rail simulator (railworks) and ship simulator amongst a few others. What I do like about steam is that all the updates are carried out automatically almost without you knowing each time that the PC is booted. I have never had any problem with any of the core games or any of the add-ons I have bought also through steam.
Again I can understand why anyone would not wish to have to be online while running their application, or feel that there is security implications in doing that. Some also obviously feel that steam could go out of business leaving them with nothing in the process. However, one thing I did learn in all my years in industrial safety was that everything you do has some risk.
Yes, steam or any other online company could go bust tomorrow and you would indeed be left with nothing. On the other hand you could keep everything on your computer in your own home, backed up on disc and hard drive but then your home burns down or is flooded and again you are left with nothing. As stated, everything has some risk attached.
You could of course save everything in your own home and also back it up on the cloud, but you could bet your life that when your house burned down the drawer where you kept all the passwords etc will also go up with it. However, that would probably be the most risk adverse but most complex way of ensuring your content is saved but would anybody want to do that with trainz 12, is it really worth it?:hehe:
Bill
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NSWGR_46Class
Just call my Captain Rude
I think the development cycle for TS12 has come to its end
Dinorius_Redundicus
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And that's the thing I most dislike about Steam. It uses up half my monthly internet download budget in the space of a few minutes sometimes. The only way to stop it is to physically disconnect my PC from the internet before launching any Steam game. Why does it assume everyone on the planet has an unlimited broadband account?
mezzoprezzo
Content appreciator
Hope you've managed to pull yourself together Bill!~snip~ ..by the time I had finished reading it I felt like I was lying on the morticians slab being dissected bit by bit as he endeavoured to find out what made be tick.
My response was, of course, in no way intended to be a personal dissection. You raised several interesting points though, which I took the opportunity to comment on.
Why do you think that is a good thing? I think all the people that stayed at some earlier version of Trainz for whatever reason would not be happy to discover that Steam decided they they must upgrade. Unless there is a switch in Steam to limit upgrades to only those I approve, it will not darken my screen.