Saxham_Market
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Royal Scots Grey is currently employed on freight workings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13592652
0:30 for an... unusual... sight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13592652
0:30 for an... unusual... sight.
When the Deltic retired, I never expected this...
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Saxham_Market
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Yes, hauling a set of PCAs on the Alcan smelter run.
(Oops! I meant to put this in "prototype talk.)
amigacooke
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I'm interested to hear rail freight is on the up again. Soon they'll be regreting all those sidings that have been disposed of.
I can't help but think that if there is such demand for freight working, then we should be building new locomotives, not risking our preserved heritage that we can't easily repair if something bad happens.
Napier are still around and Alstom own all the old EE trademarks, designs and equipment, if the deltic is really so suited to freight, and we need more freight engines, ask them to restart building the engines and finally get around to building the class 51, it would at least be a welcome change from all the Caterpillar stuff.
Napier are still around and Alstom own all the old EE trademarks, designs and equipment, if the deltic is really so suited to freight, and we need more freight engines, ask them to restart building the engines and finally get around to building the class 51, it would at least be a welcome change from all the Caterpillar stuff.
ZecMurphy
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Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on which side you look at), many heritage groups (at least here in Aus) are finding that hiring their locos brings in decent money for them, allowing them to do even more work.
And, if there is a loco shortage, then these are 'easy' picking to hire.
Here in Aus, one freight operator (ElZorro) is running consists of mostly (and often entirely) preserved units. All in the old 'Victorian Railways' blue and gold livery. Most of these are 50+ years old as well. However, by hiring the locos, the groups (including some 'heritage'/'tourist' railway groups, that don't run main line!) have bought in money to restore other vehicles, or track.
And, if there is a loco shortage, then these are 'easy' picking to hire.
Here in Aus, one freight operator (ElZorro) is running consists of mostly (and often entirely) preserved units. All in the old 'Victorian Railways' blue and gold livery. Most of these are 50+ years old as well. However, by hiring the locos, the groups (including some 'heritage'/'tourist' railway groups, that don't run main line!) have bought in money to restore other vehicles, or track.
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True Nikki, although, I cannot understand why they need to borrow a Deltic as these were NEVER freight locomotives to start with. Surely, they can find something more suitable around Britain like a class 37 / 40 / 56, or, something else. The other problem is having the drivers still available who know how to drive these things, and are alive and medically able to operate these locos. I bet there aren't too many young local drivers in the North of England who have been passed out to drive a Class 55 on mainline duties, and they might need an Inspector as well. It would be very interesting to learn how much this is all costing against the revenue earned from the freight jobs they will do.
Cheerz. ex-railwayman.
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There will be another Deltic to ogle at, soon
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That one pulled me up and down the ECML a few times before the HSTs came in (and after, when the HSTs tended to stop at either one or the other of the two stations I was travelling between).
Hi Everybody.
Bulk freight haulage for the British rail industry has been increasing steadily over the last decade. One example would be the Somerset quarrying industry which operates within the Mendip Hills. The companies did relay the branch lines into the major quarries and when operational removed over 70% of road quarry vehicles from the roads of my county.
That along with other examples that could be quoted has given a stable, secure and steadily growing future for bulk rail freight. However, a much more lucrative and rapid expansion of goods being transported by rail is now within the railways grasp if the rail operators can prove that a number of problems can be overcome.
The vast amount of freight traffic on Britain's roads is connected with retail distribution. That stated, no one can see at present railways delivering directly to retail outlets either in or out of town. However, the transportation of goods between central warehousing and the huge retail distribution centers operated by many of large supermarkets and electrical outlets is the area of operations being looked at by many involved in transport logistics.
As many forum members will know, when you purchase anything in a large retail outlet in Britain the information from the till receiving payment for the purchase is immediately transferred to the distribution centre so that the purchase can be replaced on the next delivery. In that way the retail stores do not have to hold any stock of significance.
Road vehicles known as trunks or Trunkers run between the central warehouses and the distribution centers on a nightly basis carrying all the good sold by the retail outlets that day. This is then delivered to the retail store on the next delivery (usually next day). It is known as JIT delivery (just in time delivery).
Many retail distribution centres can receive in excess of 20 to 30 trunk vehicles vehicles per night just from one section of central warehousing. The challenge for the rail industry is, can this amount of traffic needing strenuous timing and transferring be accommodated on trains. After all 22-30 trunk vehicles would almost equal one train.
Companies such as Eddie Stobart and DHL are looking at ways this can be done with everyone involved in the transport industry looking on with great interest.
Bill
Bulk freight haulage for the British rail industry has been increasing steadily over the last decade. One example would be the Somerset quarrying industry which operates within the Mendip Hills. The companies did relay the branch lines into the major quarries and when operational removed over 70% of road quarry vehicles from the roads of my county.
That along with other examples that could be quoted has given a stable, secure and steadily growing future for bulk rail freight. However, a much more lucrative and rapid expansion of goods being transported by rail is now within the railways grasp if the rail operators can prove that a number of problems can be overcome.
The vast amount of freight traffic on Britain's roads is connected with retail distribution. That stated, no one can see at present railways delivering directly to retail outlets either in or out of town. However, the transportation of goods between central warehousing and the huge retail distribution centers operated by many of large supermarkets and electrical outlets is the area of operations being looked at by many involved in transport logistics.
As many forum members will know, when you purchase anything in a large retail outlet in Britain the information from the till receiving payment for the purchase is immediately transferred to the distribution centre so that the purchase can be replaced on the next delivery. In that way the retail stores do not have to hold any stock of significance.
Road vehicles known as trunks or Trunkers run between the central warehouses and the distribution centers on a nightly basis carrying all the good sold by the retail outlets that day. This is then delivered to the retail store on the next delivery (usually next day). It is known as JIT delivery (just in time delivery).
Many retail distribution centres can receive in excess of 20 to 30 trunk vehicles vehicles per night just from one section of central warehousing. The challenge for the rail industry is, can this amount of traffic needing strenuous timing and transferring be accommodated on trains. After all 22-30 trunk vehicles would almost equal one train.
Companies such as Eddie Stobart and DHL are looking at ways this can be done with everyone involved in the transport industry looking on with great interest.
Bill
I agree with the previous post, I live near Grimsby and Immingham where loads of cars come in and out of the docks on a daily basis and what makes me laugh is they are all taken by road to distribution stores for prepping, before they are sent to the trade suppliers. Last year we shipped in and out over 400k cars, plus some 30,000 of fish and untold amounts of forest products and agribulk materials.
There is a well adequate railhead right next to the docks where they are shipped in, yet its not used? and only having a duel carriage way for 25 miles before a motorway makes it hell to drive on when its busy.
This road gets even worse when you get to the Stallingborough turnpike as RoRo and fuel lorries type traffic, then joins it there from Immingham Docks, adding to the amount of traffic.
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Support and preserve the Deltics as they are history and are not fit to be made into razor blades, like some of our fine ships we have had in the past.
There is a well adequate railhead right next to the docks where they are shipped in, yet its not used? and only having a duel carriage way for 25 miles before a motorway makes it hell to drive on when its busy.
This road gets even worse when you get to the Stallingborough turnpike as RoRo and fuel lorries type traffic, then joins it there from Immingham Docks, adding to the amount of traffic.
Opps going off topic now
Support and preserve the Deltics as they are history and are not fit to be made into razor blades, like some of our fine ships we have had in the past.
Retro00064
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If a main railway started using steam locomotives instead of diesel locomotives, then I would know that some one in control of that railway had gone a little bit wacko.
Regards.
Hi Chefbyte and everybody.
You will be pleased to learn that at Portbury docks which is also a big car import terminal they reopened the branch line leading into the docks approximately 4 years ago and it is exclusively used to transport new cars away from the terminal to all parts of Britain.
It has reduced the amount of road car transporters out of the terminal by about one third but the rail amount is steadily growing. Realistically, it will never be able to carry more than about 50% but that is an awful lot of cars and transporters when you see the size of the car terminal.
Thankfully, it has not reduced the amount of people employed in the road transport side of the port, but that is a another story which hopefully will be repeated on chefbytes local roads, and all over the country.
Bill
NB:- there is an old saying " where there's a will there's a way"
Wessex_Electric_Nutter
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More to do with the total TE available, yes, 56's could possilby do it, but is there a mainline reigestered one at the moment that is spare? (Not forgetting that most have been removed from service IIRC) 40s? Only, 2,000hp available and 37s are worse. So, having something that is about as powerful as a 66, faster and readily available for service, is a no brainer, right?
Man, i just can't get over that old...someone will kill me for saying this...relic hauling modern railcars. but she looks right a home doing it. I wish too that i could see this old beast doing what she was built for. pardon me but, in my eyes, locomotives were built for mainline running, not trundling along at 25mph on a tourist line. I'm not saying i'd rather see them scrapped, far from it, I love that they survived and didn't become a fallen angel (a term of mine), but when i see Union Pacific 3985 barreling down the track at 70mph, or old, 1940's built 844 shoving a wounded diesel-hauled train over Sherman Hill and nursing the battered units back to the shop, it makes my heart feel all warm and fuzzy. It's great to see a preserved engine get to do what it was meant to, one more time.
Now, if they could just replace the Deltic with an Ivatt 2MT:hehe:
Now, if they could just replace the Deltic with an Ivatt 2MT:hehe:
Hi Everybody.
I agree that it is very nice to see the preserved Deltec once more back in full active service but I do not believe it will be for very long in terms of time. Referring back to my earlier posting, if it is shown that road transport retail trunking operations can be transferred successfully to rail then I believe we will see the immense competition that there has always been between road transport companies moved to the railways.
As stated Eddie Stobart and DHL (two giants in the British road transport industry) are already carrying out tests in the above operations and if successful many other companies will be looking to very quickly to enter the market. With regard to supplying the engines and rolling stock for the operations, their I think the producers who currently supply the road transport companies with their equipment would also quickly move into producing rail vehicles.
The above would be vehicle producers such as Renault, Scania, Iveco to name just a few entering the market especially if the current providers of rail vehicles where unable to produce what the market wanted and quickly. Let's not forget that famous companies such a scamell and Dennis went to the wall when the road transport industry went into large-scale growth in the 1970s as the above companies with their huge production facilities took over as the major suppliers .
For those of us who really wish to see the rail industry stand on its own feet and be a major player in the movement of goods in Britain and throughout Europe the above would not be a bad thing.
Bill
Que for IKB in the above posting (feel like a good argument) liven up the tread:hehe:
I agree that it is very nice to see the preserved Deltec once more back in full active service but I do not believe it will be for very long in terms of time. Referring back to my earlier posting, if it is shown that road transport retail trunking operations can be transferred successfully to rail then I believe we will see the immense competition that there has always been between road transport companies moved to the railways.
As stated Eddie Stobart and DHL (two giants in the British road transport industry) are already carrying out tests in the above operations and if successful many other companies will be looking to very quickly to enter the market. With regard to supplying the engines and rolling stock for the operations, their I think the producers who currently supply the road transport companies with their equipment would also quickly move into producing rail vehicles.
The above would be vehicle producers such as Renault, Scania, Iveco to name just a few entering the market especially if the current providers of rail vehicles where unable to produce what the market wanted and quickly. Let's not forget that famous companies such a scamell and Dennis went to the wall when the road transport industry went into large-scale growth in the 1970s as the above companies with their huge production facilities took over as the major suppliers .
For those of us who really wish to see the rail industry stand on its own feet and be a major player in the movement of goods in Britain and throughout Europe the above would not be a bad thing.
Bill
Que for IKB in the above posting (feel like a good argument) liven up the tread:hehe:
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