IsambardKingdomBrunel
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Trainz vs. MSTS. Which is better?
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madjamonline
Designer, Mod. City Fan!
Trainz is way better! Route creating on MSTS is hard. Go Trainz! It is the best trainz sim on the planet 
I wish I had a faster computer and then it would be even better because sometimes I get 1-2 frames per second on some high quality areas. :'(
I wish I had a faster computer and then it would be even better because sometimes I get 1-2 frames per second on some high quality areas. :'(
I really puzzle over kuju's "Rail Simulator". How could they have got it so wrong? Very strange.
I'd put MSTS and Trainz about level. MSTS if you just want to get in and drive. Trainz if you like to enhance your routes etc as well as drive. Having said that though, I have real hopes for Trainz 2009 blowing them all out the water.
Regards Pete
I'd put MSTS and Trainz about level. MSTS if you just want to get in and drive. Trainz if you like to enhance your routes etc as well as drive. Having said that though, I have real hopes for Trainz 2009 blowing them all out the water.
Regards Pete
There are lots of quality sounds for UK diesels,same with the cabs,it just takes a little editing,and if you ever get stuck,there are always people willing to help over at UKTS forums.I find the sounds for MSTS are top notch,probably some of the best you will ever hear in any railsimulator,not just for locos,also available
Bogie coach,flange squeels
Modern coach sounds
payware track enhancement sounds
short wheelbase wagon sounds (one of my favourites)
most british diesels covered
HST's
probably easier just to post a link to the sound section
http://www.uktrainsim.com/filelib-d...y=25&CUTHERE=d40c75ef4844d141c837e9a225f0ba97
Daz
chris_rose_1
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MSTS is much better that Trainz especially with the Railwaves track sounds and routes like LSE and GE 
Route buildings alot easier in MSTS too once you get the hang of it
Route buildings alot easier in MSTS too once you get the hang of it
You guys are talking out of your backsides about Rail Simulator, and you obviously haven't tried it out properly.
Please tell me. What have they got wrong? The sounds are great, as are the graphics and engine physics.
Overpriced? Did I hear that correctly? I got my copy for a tenner.
Rail Simulator has been created differently to both Trainz and MSTS, and it isn't helped by people importing MSTS locos and stock into it. That is not what its creators intended.
I speak as someone who was initially wary of RS, and indeed, spoke out against the unfairness of KRS screenies being shown on a Trainz forum. But I have realised that it is a fantasic program, and the negativity shown towards it is just silly and defensive.
And by the way, if KRS is unprototypical, then what does that say about Trainz?
Best wishes,
Padster
Please tell me. What have they got wrong? The sounds are great, as are the graphics and engine physics.
Overpriced? Did I hear that correctly? I got my copy for a tenner.
Rail Simulator has been created differently to both Trainz and MSTS, and it isn't helped by people importing MSTS locos and stock into it. That is not what its creators intended.
I speak as someone who was initially wary of RS, and indeed, spoke out against the unfairness of KRS screenies being shown on a Trainz forum. But I have realised that it is a fantasic program, and the negativity shown towards it is just silly and defensive.
And by the way, if KRS is unprototypical, then what does that say about Trainz?
Best wishes,
Padster
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
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I don't understand. Are we talking about the same program here? You actually rate TC3, which is little more than a virtual model railway program, over KRS? Weird.
Tell me IKB, did you actually drive trains in your job? If not, how can you understand engine physics?
Anyway, I am not going to be drawn by your confrontational attitude. Using words like 'crap' and 'rubbish' only serve to weaken your argument.
And please remember that it is a simulator. It never will replicate real life. It is there to offer us a level of immersion and enjoyment. Some of you guys take things far too seriously. KRS, MSTS Trainz TC3, call them what you will: they are just games.
Padster
Tell me IKB, did you actually drive trains in your job? If not, how can you understand engine physics?
Anyway, I am not going to be drawn by your confrontational attitude. Using words like 'crap' and 'rubbish' only serve to weaken your argument.
And please remember that it is a simulator. It never will replicate real life. It is there to offer us a level of immersion and enjoyment. Some of you guys take things far too seriously. KRS, MSTS Trainz TC3, call them what you will: they are just games.
Padster
RailSimulator is far from perfect, there were many things that i still cant believe they forgot. TRS though is still far from perfect as well and it has had 6 years to evolve now. While you can claim that RS has nothing but graphics, you can also say that the graphics in TRS are laughable and pathetic by any standard, take a look at a game like Halo from 2001, or even MSTS and you will see graphics better than those in TC3, im hoping that TRS 09 will finaly change this.
@IKB: What is your justification for saying the Isle of Wight route is pathetic? It seems to be a far more well done route than TC3, even if TC3 is miles longer when it comes to routes i prefer quality over quantity.
I will agree though that MK2 should have come first, im a bit disheartened that it will still not include projected lights but i guess we will have to wait.
@Daz: Take a look at these new HST sounds, not perfect but im working on it, unless i missed some payware sounds i think they are far better than any MSTS HST sounds. I even managed to get the coach sounds in
still WIP
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ieMu2FC82LM
Overall though train sims right now are in quite a dismal state, MSTS2 right now looks to be the most promising but im a bit annoyed right now that it was pushed back to Christmas 09, still another year+ away
@IKB: What is your justification for saying the Isle of Wight route is pathetic? It seems to be a far more well done route than TC3, even if TC3 is miles longer when it comes to routes i prefer quality over quantity.
I will agree though that MK2 should have come first, im a bit disheartened that it will still not include projected lights but i guess we will have to wait.
@Daz: Take a look at these new HST sounds, not perfect but im working on it, unless i missed some payware sounds i think they are far better than any MSTS HST sounds. I even managed to get the coach sounds in
still WIP
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ieMu2FC82LM
Overall though train sims right now are in quite a dismal state, MSTS2 right now looks to be the most promising but im a bit annoyed right now that it was pushed back to Christmas 09, still another year+ away
amigacooke
Well-known member
Remember, no-one has to justify which simulator that they chose to use. Not everyone is looking for the same things.
IsambardKingdomBrunel said "There are many excellent UK add ons for MSTS, including loco sounds. The sounds in MSTS have always been better and still are better than Trainz.". I am sorry to argue with an engineer of your distinction but they are NOT. When I fist bought TRS2004 I noticed immediately that the Class 20 had an HST sound but the Class 20 was freeware and the problem was easily sorted by a freeware engine file.On the other hand I bought the MSTS "Great British Diesel Locomotives" pack and found that all of the sounds were completely,utterly wrong.And thats in payware! Why should I have to mess around finding or buying sound files to correct something which wasn't cheap in the first place?
My Opinion
Well, guess I'll go ahead and post my opinion.
I got into train simming with MSTS, and I thought it was good when I got it. But, I tried to make me a route in MSTS, and I found the route editor very hard to use. Then I ordered TRS2004, and was simply impressed. I found the route editor to be extremely user friendly, and I have been hooked ever since. To me, the graphics in MSTS are not quite as good as TRS. But, this is only my opinion.
-quakers1
Well, guess I'll go ahead and post my opinion.
I got into train simming with MSTS, and I thought it was good when I got it. But, I tried to make me a route in MSTS, and I found the route editor very hard to use. Then I ordered TRS2004, and was simply impressed. I found the route editor to be extremely user friendly, and I have been hooked ever since. To me, the graphics in MSTS are not quite as good as TRS. But, this is only my opinion.
-quakers1
Maxgoldstein
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magicentro
Disillusioned
I purchased MSTS on its release and found the 'out of the box' experience rather poor.
Poor sounds, average graphics (I really dislike those particle effects) and I thought the method of making up a new consist was rather strange. The biggest dissapointment for me though was what do you do when boredom sets in ? In Trainz you can simply create a new route or modify an existing one with ease. Not so in MSTS.
Surveyor is indeed the biggest difference between Trainz and MSTS and it's the main reason why I chose Trainz.
I also dabbled in Rail Simulator but found that its route editor was no where near Surveyor in usability, especially when laying track.
A train driving friend of mine once said that driving trains for a living was boreing. I guess MSTS hits the mark then !
Steve.
Poor sounds, average graphics (I really dislike those particle effects) and I thought the method of making up a new consist was rather strange. The biggest dissapointment for me though was what do you do when boredom sets in ? In Trainz you can simply create a new route or modify an existing one with ease. Not so in MSTS.
Surveyor is indeed the biggest difference between Trainz and MSTS and it's the main reason why I chose Trainz.
I also dabbled in Rail Simulator but found that its route editor was no where near Surveyor in usability, especially when laying track.
A train driving friend of mine once said that driving trains for a living was boreing. I guess MSTS hits the mark then !
Steve.
The use of a large amount of old and just plain bad default objects is really the main issue with TC3, IOW uses mostly new content built specifically for the route. The overall level of detail is somewhat lacking, its 2008, i think its about time that default routes for TRS come with 3d grass and such, it was a FPS problem in the past but i think todays hardware is up to it. I also find the texturing to be lacking in places, it just seems to be all that one same shade of green, i know it a pretty baren area in real life but things such as darker texture under trees really adds to the look.
i could go into specific examples but i dont have the energy right now.
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
First, why only compare two rail simulators, why not compare all of them? Their are others besides these two you know. But once again, we have another thread, where a search would have helped to find an existing thread.
And I can probably disprove that - both ways that is!