Trainz Elevation Cap

[BDP]

Good Evening,

I am working on a project, not ready to announce what yet, but I have run into a snag near the summit. Being 2 miles from the summit of the Route, it seems like the track elevation won't go above 3000.00 meters. I need probably another 1000 meters to reach the summit. Without that, the route is a total flop.

Is there any way to over ride this? I'm on the latest build of Trainz 2022.



Thanks
BDP

 

[jordon412]

So you need the height to at least be 4,000 meters, or 13,123 feet. I guessing you're doing Argentine Pass, then.

 

[BDP]

Tennessee Pass, Elevation Caps out at 9,842ft, I need at least 10,423ft or 3,176 m

 

[jordon412]

Tennessee Pass, Elevation Caps out at 9,842ft, I need at least 10,423ft or 3,176 m

That was my first thought. Then I got confused and thought that the pass was at 4,000 meters.
EDIT: Are you using DEM? If so, is there a way that you can say lower the height by 1,000 meters so that it'll be under the 3,000 meters cap?

 

[Shortline2]

Sorry to hear the limit is still there in newest Trainz.

N3V will tell you that you have 6000 meters to work with, but you have to then start at minus 3000 meter...
If you use a DEM, you need to lower it to go around the limit.
Up to around T:ANE TransDEM could be used to do that work, but when Trainz changed into having the route made as smaller pieces in one of the service packs for I think TRS2019 that was broken and I don't think it is back in TransDEM as of yet.

I am not active in Trainz so I can only speak from older experience.

Only way around that limit is to lower the Route or start lower in the first place.

Sorry to bring such bad news.

Linda

 

[wilts747]

Could you move your baseline to -1000m or similar, a baseboard is only a starting elevation? Peter

 

[BDP]

How do you lower it in TransDEM? I heard you could do that, but not sure how to. Kinda wish they would add a feature, like the override draw distance, for elevation. My guess is the game becomes unstable after 3000m

 

[BDP]

Update: I tried the Raise/ Lower DEM, and the Change Elevation across entire route by -1500m and the Summit of Tennessee Pass is still 3117m in game. Like said above I guess this a N3V issue that needs to be resolved. Either by them or by TransDEM. I guess until then, the route is going to be abandoned. I can make Dotsero CO - Pando CO (Western Slope, Minturn Being the Crew Change Point) Then Malta CO - Pueblo CO.

 

[wreeder]

Here is what I do in the Rockies. I place a world origin marker at the low point on the route and set the height of that location. Then build up from there and the Get Height tool shows the correct height. For example, Delores, CO is the low point on the RGS at 6936' so I work up from there in both directions and have no trouble getting up to the high point of Lizard Head Pass 10,222 with plenty of room for the higher distance peaks in the background.

 

[BDP]

Thanks for the info, I tried that method, track is placed from Dotsero to 2 miles West of Tennessee Pass Summit. I placed the World Origin at Dotsero Cutoff Junction which has an elevation of 6,142 ft or roughly 1891m. I configured the WO, Altitude for 1891m, then went to the EOT and tried to raise. It still bottoms out at 3000m. Tried also setting it at -3000m but still no luck. Am I doing this right? I believe the summit is 4 foot higher than your highest at 10,226ft.

 

[Christopher824]

The world origin is always the top left (NW) corner of the first baseboad that is placed. In your config.text change the altitude tag to -3000, this gives you 6000 at that point. More Here

You can use the topology tool to go beyond these limits, it just wont display the actual height in the tools past -3000 and 3000, but does go past the limits. You can also lay track, etc, and get elevation, then use elevation, the tools won't show you the correct height, but it still works. You can use the Get Gradient tool to guess what your elevation is past the 3000 limit.

 

[JCitron]

You can adjust the height of the route before importing the route into Trainz.

Export the route out of TransDEM as you always do.

Reimport the exported route into TransDEM and adjust the height.

If you have to, save the format to a lower Trainz version prior to exporting such as TS12.

 

[wreeder]

Thanks for the info, I tried that method, track is placed from Dotsero to 2 miles West of Tennessee Pass Summit. I placed the World Origin at Dotsero Cutoff Junction which has an elevation of 6,142 ft or roughly 1891m. I configured the WO, Altitude for 1891m, then went to the EOT and tried to raise. It still bottoms out at 3000m. Tried also setting it at -3000m but still no luck. Am I doing this right? I believe the summit is 4 foot higher than your highest at 10,226ft.

As Christopher says I am placing the WO on the first baseboard when I start so the new height on that baseboard becomes base point for measurements. This is just effecting the measurement that Get Height tools give.

 

[BDP]

The world origin is always the top left (NW) corner of the first baseboard that is placed. In your config.text change the altitude tag to -3000, this gives you 6000 at that point. More Here

You can use the topology tool to go beyond these limits, it just wont display the actual height in the tools past -3000 and 3000, but does go past the limits. You can also lay track, etc, and get elevation, then use elevation, the tools won't show you the correct height, but it still works. You can use the Get Gradient tool to guess what your elevation is past the 3000 limit.

I used your tool, provided via link and put in the Coordinates for Dotsero CO along with its elevation in Meters. Came out to 1872 in Altitude and imputed that into the Config. Didn't touch the World Origin via environmental settings and now the Summit is at 1642 meters. Thanks for the Help! I plan on working on it myself, but I have also uploaded it to the DLS, I've heard this isn't the first time someone has mentioned this route, so for anyone interested it should be available in 24 hours or so. DEM includes from West of Dotsero Colorado to Kobe Colorado(Next town east of Malta CO). Also includes a small portion of the Leadville Branch to Leadville CO