Trainz Classics 3rd Edition "Settle-Carlisle"

Well done to Rob for neatly dodging my earlier speculation! :hehe:

I'll post here the same two pleas I posted in the UK forum (though they went unanswered, so I'm not getting my hopes up)....

Liveries - can we have locos and coaching stock available in blue, blue/grey as well as green and maroon - these liveries were in use from 1967 or thereabouts on the S&C I think.

Coaching stock - it would be great if we could get a new and definitive set of Mk1 stock (the basic coaching stock used on the line through the 60s).

Any answers this time I wonder? :p
 
Paulsw2 said:
........can we have locos and coaching stock available in blue, blue/grey as well as green and maroon - these liveries were in use from 1967 or thereabouts on the S&C I think......
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Sorry I can't advise you about inclusion, or otherwise of blue, blue/grey. However green will definitely not be included.
 
Mike10 said:
I didn't say it was a perfect bargain ;)

Lets look a little deeper beyond the initial negativity of the situation though.

I suspect we may be seeing routes labelled with which pack's content they use. Given that each pack has content from a specific area that does actually make some sense. Why do I need the palm trees and such like from the Australian route pack if I'm making a route across the Rockies using the Canadian pack's content.

We may see, for example.

"Route requires: TC1 content only"
"Route requires: TRS2006, TC1 & some DLS content"
"Route requires: TC1 & TC3 content only"
"Route requires: TC1,TC3 & some DLS content"
etc etc

By the time we get to the 5th or 6th Classics release what do you think the going rate for TC1 and 2 will be. I'll wager picking up that content won't be a major fiscal planning exercise.

I don't think there is anything I'd use from either TC1 or TC2 if I were creating a UK route. I may use some TRS2006 content (not exactly expensive now and a lot of it was DLS stuff that got included in the box so can be obtained from the DLS still) or DLS stuff to top up what's in the box though.

It works for me, but (as you know) I am annoyingly postive in my outlook. ;)

Mike.
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Positive is good ;)

It will take a significant upgrade of the DLS and CMP to enable this kind of complex interdependency work. As a route builder, I would need to know what I'm placing, and where it comes from a little better than I do at the moment.

I can also see a good deal of cross-use of content between TC versions. I could see myself using a number of TC1&2 buildings in modern UK urban routes. The multi-lane traffic feature would also be very useful, along with the enhanced electric sounds. This is why I think that a bumper Trainz Classic version would be a good move for Auran at some point in the future.

Just my thoughts...

Paul
 
Paulsw2 said:
Well done to Rob for neatly dodging my earlier speculation! :hehe:

I'll post here the same two pleas I posted in the UK forum (though they went unanswered, so I'm not getting my hopes up)....

Liveries - can we have locos and coaching stock available in blue, blue/grey as well as green and maroon - these liveries were in use from 1967 or thereabouts on the S&C I think.

Coaching stock - it would be great if we could get a new and definitive set of Mk1 stock (the basic coaching stock used on the line through the 60s).

Any answers this time I wonder? :p
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Personally I prefer the blood and custard (aka crimson & cream), seems to complement green (or black) liveried locos perfectly.
 
flathog said:
I'm sure Auran's answer to compete with Kuju and MSTS2 will come soon:p :cool:

Tom
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Well, KRS is out in October so it'll be hard for Auran to compete with that new release - However MSTS-2 isn't going to be available until "Quarter 4", 2008/. So, Auran have about a year from now to bring out the 'killer app' to beat Microsoft :hehe:
 
Paulsw2 said:
Well done to Rob for neatly dodging my earlier speculation! :hehe:

I'll post here the same two pleas I posted in the UK forum (though they went unanswered, so I'm not getting my hopes up)....

Liveries - can we have locos and coaching stock available in blue, blue/grey as well as green and maroon - these liveries were in use from 1967 or thereabouts on the S&C I think.

Coaching stock - it would be great if we could get a new and definitive set of Mk1 stock (the basic coaching stock used on the line through the 60s).

Any answers this time I wonder? :p
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I think this is more down to the content creators and reskinners. Currently I'm working with others on a couple of projects to replace paintshed meshes with ones that can be reskinned conventionally. There is a US style boxcar and a basic MK1 shaped carriage that is getting stretched and squashed to create mainly GWR coaches at the moment.

Cheerio John
 
flathog said:
I'm sure Auran's answer to compete with Kuju and MSTS2 will come soon:p :cool:

Tom
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Trainz for all its faults is a very flexible platform, so it may be that KRS and MSTS2 will fall short in some areas. Difficult to say anything definitive until KRS hits the shelves (and I can grab a copy :)).
 
Can someone please tell me if I can buy just the Settle & Carlisle route for trs 06 as Satain would be skating to work before I bought TC.
 
Is there any news on a release date mike.Maybe you could do one of your trainz meetings on the day of release. Then you can see all our faces while explouring your route :)
 
Vern said:
Personally I prefer the blood and custard (aka crimson & cream), seems to complement green (or black) liveried locos perfectly.
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Yes, but unlikely to be seen on the S&C in the 1960s.

johnwhelan said:
I think this is more down to the content creators and reskinners. Currently I'm working with others on a couple of projects to replace paintshed meshes with ones that can be reskinned conventionally. There is a US style boxcar and a basic MK1 shaped carriage that is getting stretched and squashed to create mainly GWR coaches at the moment.
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OK, but if we're being asked to buy what is basically a payware route, I'd like to see some prototypical coaching stock to go with it. If the deal with TC is, 'here's the route, now sort out your own rolling stock,' then it's not quite as attractive as previously billed, is it?

And reskinning - it's not the way forward for Mk1s is it? We need a new, decent Mk1 mesh that enables proper interiors that are up to the current standard for coaching stock (check out Andi06's Pullmans and Gresley stock or the FMA CIWL stock). The bar has been raised and we need post-1951 UK coaching stock that meets it IMHO.

Easy for me to say I know as a non-GMAX person, but if Trainz continues to maintain a poor offer on UK coaching stock (partic. Mk1) and other sims, such as KRS, come along with a better offer (who knows?) then it will be difficult to maintain commitment to TRS.

For me, what we get with TC3 is an important test of whether Trainz is a rail sim of the future or the past. :eek:
 
I think there's a photo in one of Dad's books of blood/custard stock in the 1960s. Though I'll concede that by the 60's most stock was Maroon it would be nice to have different colours available, such as blood/custard or BR blue, thus enabling the user to vary the time period.

It does say on the rolling stock page that the model is new. I guess this could be spun in any direction though, but think positive (like Mike).

Also - are these mystery diesel locos multiplying? I could have sworn there was only one before :confused:
 
Paulsw2 said:
And reskinning - it's not the way forward for Mk1s is it? We need a new, decent Mk1 mesh that enables proper interiors that are up to the current standard for coaching stock (check out Andi06's Pullmans and Gresley stock or the FMA CIWL stock). The bar has been raised and we need post-1951 UK coaching stock that meets it IMHO.

Easy for me to say I know as a non-GMAX person, but if Trainz continues to maintain a poor offer on UK coaching stock (partic. Mk1) and other sims, such as KRS, come along with a better offer (who knows?) then it will be difficult to maintain commitment to TRS.

For me, what we get with TC3 is an important test of whether Trainz is a rail sim of the future or the past. :eek:
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A highly detailed mesh means high polys, and a need for everyone to have a GTX8800 video card. As soon as you start putting windows into the mesh you start to reduce the number of variations that are easy to do. Each needs the windows in a slightly different place. I think there is a place for the highly detailed coach stock but there is also a place for the more humble reskin that relies more on texture than polys.

Cheerio John
 
BidMod said:
I think there's a photo in one of Dad's books of blood/custard stock in the 1960s. Though I'll concede that by the 60's most stock was Maroon it would be nice to have different colours available, such as blood/custard or BR blue, thus enabling the user to vary the time period..........
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By 1960 all the prestige trains on the LMR would have been new Mk1 stock in maroon livery. Secondary express and through services, being older stock, were a mixture of repainted maroon and the earlier carmine and cream (, a politer and more accurate description than blood and custard ). :)

Don't forget the non corridor stock. By 1960 there was no new building of these because of the change to dmus. However there was still a lot of carmine Mk1s and ex LMS vehicles to be seen. They soldiered on in that livery until the mid 1960s.
 
Does this pave the way for interlocking signals and level crossings?
Signals will now be fully scriptable, to the extent where extending the logic will be possible when creating new assets. This should enable more accurate representation of signalling systems around the world.
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I'd like to see this in a future version of Trainz.

Well done on semaphore logic by the way. Big thanks for this.

EDIT: This is far from desolate, isn't it! http://www.trainzclassics.co.uk/screenshots/gen_scenes/gen_scenes3.jpg. :cool:

Stitch that, MSTS. ;)
 
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It looks like a good selection of buildings to contemplate a UK or European TC route along with some careful choices from the DLS (slightly OT but I'm getting rather addicted to the Perfect range of trees at present).

$64,000 question now is likely release date?! ;)
 
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