Trains make too much noise!

[JCitron]

Bill,

Nice to see you too again. I hope your retirement hasn't gone completely away.

We've had more NIMBYs fighting again in my area. There are proposals to extend the current Haverhill commuter line, which is the one I live on, up over the state line to Plaistow, New Hampshire. This amounts to a 6 or 8 mile extension and would bring some badly needed parking spaces farther south because many residents in Plaistow and Atkinson park in Haverhill and Bradford. Part of the new plan is to build a commuter train layover area in Plaistow. This would be built on an existing siding area, which is located in an old nearly closed industrial park (estate).

Well the residents in Plaistow are complaining now about the diesels idling at night and there will be noise and smell from the trains. blah, blah, blah. Now to add insult to injury, the residents of Atkinson and Hempstead are complaining too. They don't even live close to the Plaistow commuter station or the tracks, perhaps they're 6 or 10 miles away! Why should they complain about the new Plaistow setup? The old site, where they plan to build the layover yard and station, was once a small freight yard. There are signs of an old turntable and sidings buried in the grass, and there was once even doubletrack through here. Besides, the trains have always traveled along this track - at least since 1848 or earlier.

So, like the Bristol area, with this complaining and petitioning going on, it looks like the NIMBYs have won for now. The needed commuter service will not happen until the courts hear both sides and the verdict is drawn.

John

 

[sawyer811]

I have little sympathy for NIMBYs.

A while back (1999-2000 era) The Kettle Moraine Tourist Railway had to shut its operation completely down after a bunch of...I want to call them something else, but we'll go with "Idiots"...who lived in a brand-new housing subdivision complained about the noise and the smoke from the line's 2-6-2 steam engine as it climbed the grade behind their houses. To a degree, I can understand being disturbed by trains roaring by in the night, but the 2-6-2 and her train went by once a day, if that. I just don't get why somebody can move into a house by the train tracks and then complain about the trains running on them.

Of course, another story that makes me wanna rage is when a group of condo developers tore down the old Portland, OR. Oregon Electric RR carbarn and replaced with a large condominium complex. this complex bordered the former Oregon Electric line that now operates as the Oregon Pacific under Richard Samuels and his family. The developers told their tenants that the railroad was "Going Away" and them proceeded to tear up at least 50 feet of a siding and (possibly) Part of the main line. Naturally, Hilarity and Lawyers insued.

 

[airtime]

P.S. Airtime, just to let you know, my site address has changed, but old links will work for a while. My new site address is in my signature.

Hi Shane, hope your OK,

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Joe Airtime

 

[shaneturner12]

Hi Joe,

I'm fine at the moment.

I'm always keen to help as many users as I can, and the more help I can get to do this, the better.

I've seen quite a few people with TS12 issues lately. I think N3V need to look into sorting out another patch.

Strangely enough, I've been trying to deal with an issue on my TS2009 - stuttering on a route that previously ran fine.

Your kind comments are appreciated, as are comments from any Trainz member (unless they are personally attacking me).

Shane

 

[masontaylor]

To return to the Stirling to Alloa line: the freight movement was a vital part of the business plan for the line's reopening, since extending it past Alloa to Kincardine would provide an alternative route for the increasingly heavy coal trains which supply the power station at Longannet, and otherwise need to run via the rather congested Forth Bridge. Not only the trackbed, but even much of the track was still in place, albeit needing replaced.

As for noisy trains (planes and automobiles, and even gentler sounds such as the sea or streams), most folk get used to them pretty quickly. As a student in London I lived for a while in a flat backing onto the West Coast Main Line out of Euston, where one felt as well as heard the expresses speeding by. My first night or two were disturbed, but I soon became attuned. Now I live somewhere far quieter, so quiet in fact that visitors from busier places sometimes have the opposite problem....

 

[Euphod]

So, is the problem with the horns of the locomotives, or the rumbling of the trains? I live about 200 yards from a Metra line that runs freight at night, and rarely even notice the sound of the trains.

 

[pfx]

Ed, specifically relating to this line (which actually extends beyond Alloa and on to Longannet power station for coal services if you're Google mapping it) the complaints were to do with the rumbling of the coal trains passing as they run through the night. Passenger services terminate well before midnight. As I recall, the complainant's case against the TOC was never entertained. Amuse yourself by reading about "raging" home owners http://www.stirlingobserver.co.uk/s...gry-protests-over-train-noise-51226-22949120/

 

[cascaderailroad]

I think all NIMBY's should be shipped off to a desert island, like Australia, or sent to Antarctica (where there are no Trains).

Play Trainz LOUD !

My neighbors hatez me: Playing Trainz with shooting earmuffs on, using a 400Watt stereo sound system, with six 15" woofers. :hehe:

 

[JCitron]

So, is the problem with the horns of the locomotives, or the rumbling of the trains? I live about 200 yards from a Metra line that runs freight at night, and rarely even notice the sound of the trains.

When I was growing up in Bradford, MA (part of Haverhill), the railroad tracks were across the street from my house. The trains never bothered me either, but I wonder if that was because I was a rail fan at heart way back then!

But seriously, many of the NIMBYs live next to highways and never complain about the pollution or the traffic noise. It's only when they live next to railroad tracks that this seems to become an issue.


John

 

[clarelvsroxy]

Standard safety procedure, its the same in the US. The two toots indicate to men on the ground that the engine is going to move. get a clue and quit complaining, you wont find any sympathy here.

Yeah and there is also noise laws. I aint looking for sympathy you troll and its not standard safety procedure. It's a thing they do for the kids take them in a little ride in the engine cab and toot toot the whistle, so YOU get a clue and a life you imbecile.

Why do Americans always assume that the whole world is exactly the same as the USA?

 

[rjhowie]

Interestingly especially for me and the vast majority of railway fans in Gt Britain passenger traffic holds sway. This has also been the cae in the line re-openings. Fortunately the track beds were stil in place. The norm has been that passenger numbers have broken the estimates which is another goodly sign. When the part of the former Borders network re-opens on again part of the Waverley route (!) the bridges, etc are all intact which is great. It's my intention to get on board in 2014 when trains run again as far as Galashiels. I stayed in Melrose twice beyond 'Gala' and the bed was still there and the station.

Dr Beeching had a degree of argument on some lines including near where I live that were no longer justifiable. As a very young man, I worked as a booking clerk at one of the Clydebank stations and if on my shift, each Monday you had to walk 10 minutes down to Kilbowie Stn to pick up the receipts as there was no clerical staff just a porter and I can tell you that it was a pitiful collection on that route ven on a Monday when most season tickets were starting! That being said there was at the same time no foresight and I dare say there was no consideration that there would be such a population shift that eventually occured. Someone told me that when they relayed the track back to Larkhall as part of the suburban eletric system re Glasgow that some people in Sonehouse wanted to know why it wasn't continued to them as the track bed was there. Don't think to be honest that would have been a finanical success as Larkhall though? When I think back how the north Clydside network from Central Low Level vanished then years later they re-opened the "Argyle Line" just look how that revolutionised passenger train travel in the city.

I am glad that I travelled on that north river bank embankment line as a very wee boy from Whitench (Riverside) to Lanark (to visit New Lanark Centre) then again from Whiteinch (Victoria Park) to Campsie Glen ( a wonderful run). My then childhood home was only a few minutes walk and was saddened when it went along with the branches off it. Again from Glasgow Central Low Level to Crow Road on the last day of operation on a a white First Class Day Return! Only wish i had went all the way to Maryhill Central and the other way via Kelvinbridge. My funniest experience was going upstairs under the bridge at Whiteinch (Riverside) and catching a train to the next station which was Scotstoun (West). I hadn't time to get a ticket and when I got off two minutes later the porter was gobsmacked as no-one had done that all the years he had worked there. In fact you could see the station it was so close and a short walk. I don't think he even bothered charging me "excess"!