Thinking about upgrading...

I would argue that the platform is too far gone to make any improvements without bottlenecks. The AM2 platform was released a very long time ago and we've come a long way since then.

- Any modern GPU ideal for T:ANE or anything graphically demanding would be bottlenecked by the Athlon X2. No debate on this one.

- THe RAM limitations are already a significant factor, that and DDR2 has been out of production for quite some time.

- SATA based expansion is also probably quite limited by the mainboard in favour of IDE.

Jack
 
If I do get myself a new PC, I will make sure to get a custom built PC. The Windows 8.1 that I've also mentioned may be powerful enough, but I think a custom built PC would be better for my needs in the Gaming Experience.
 
johnwhelan said:
The motherboard maxs at 4 gigs of memory.

Cheerio John
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Thanks John, yeh, that system is just to old and not worth spending a penny on.

LNERlover5 said:
I would argue that the platform is too far gone to make any improvements without bottlenecks. The AM2 platform was released a very long time ago and we've come a long way since then.

- Any modern GPU ideal for T:ANE or anything graphically demanding would be bottlenecked by the Athlon X2. No debate on this one.

- THe RAM limitations are already a significant factor, that and DDR2 has been out of production for quite some time.

- SATA based expansion is also probably quite limited by the mainboard in favour of IDE.

Jack
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I agree Jack. Its had its day and whatever you do isn't going to provide value for money, its hardware is just to outdated as you have pointed out.
 
Ok, so I got the specs of my Windows 8.1 PC (finally) so here they are:


Windows 8.1 Professional (x64) (build 9600)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United States)
Installed: 5/15/2015 9:34:52 PM
Boot Mode: UEFI with Secure Boot disabled Hewlett-Packard HP EliteDesk 705 G1 SFF
System Serial Number: MXL435191B
Asset Tag: MXL435191B
Chassis Serial Number: MXL435191B
Enclosure Type: Low Profile Desktop
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
3.80 gigahertz AMD A4 PRO-7300B APU with Radeon HD Graphics
96 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
64-bit ready
Hyper-threaded (2 total) Board: Hewlett-Packard 2215
Serial Number: MXL435191B
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: Hewlett-Packard L06 v02.02 07/02/2014
Drives Memory Modules c,d
499.55 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
449.19 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space


hp DVD-RAM UJ8E1 [Optical drive]


Multiple Card Reader USB Device [Hard drive] (15.47 GB) -- drive 1, s/n 058F63666438
WDC WD5000AAKX-60U6AA0 [Hard drive] (500.11 GB) -- drive 0, s/n WD-WCC2EKRUDLZJ, rev 18.01H18, SMART Status: Healthy 3312 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory


Slot 'DIMM 2' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM 1' has 4096 MB (serial number 0C91A49C)
Slot 'DIMM 4' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM 3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 499.55 GB 449.19 GB free
Network Drives
None discovered
Users (mouse over user name for details) Printers
local user accounts last logon
James Johnson 7/22/2015 4:03:08 PM (admin)
local system accounts
Administrator 8/22/2013 9:47:09 AM (admin)
Guest never


DISABLED Marks a disabled account; LOCKED OUT Marks a locked account

Microsoft Shared Fax Driver on SHRFAX:
Microsoft XPS Document Writer v4 on PORTPROMPT:
Send To Microsoft OneNote 2010 Driver on nul:
Controllers Display
Standard SATA AHCI Controller AMD Radeon HD 8470D [Display adapter]
Hanns.G HB191 [Monitor] (19.1"vis, s/n 908PR3XY02690, February 2009)
Bus Adapters Multimedia
Microsoft Storage Spaces Controller
AMD USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 0100 (Microsoft) (2x)
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller (2x)
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller (3x) AMD High Definition Audio Device
Realtek High Definition Audio
Virus Protection [Back to Top] Group Policies
AVG AntiVirus Free Edition 2015
None discovered
Communications Other Devices
↑ Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet Plus
primary Auto IP Address: 192.168.2.15 / 24
Gateway: 192.168.2.1
Dhcp Server: 192.168.2.1
Physical Address: C4:34:6B:57:A4:74
Connection Speed: 100 Mbps
Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Microsoft Kernel Debug Network Adapter
Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

Networking Dns Server: 192.168.2.1
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
HID-compliant consumer control device
HID-compliant system controller
USB Input Device (3x)
HID Keyboard Device
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
HID-compliant mouse
Microsoft PS/2 Mouse
Fax
Microsoft XPS Document Writer
Root Print Queue
Send To OneNote 2010
Trusted Platform Module 1.2
Microsoft Device Association Root Enumerator
Microsoft IPv4 IPv6 Transition Adapter Bus
USB Composite Device
USB Mass Storage Device
USB Root Hub (5x)
USB Root Hub (xHCI) (2x)
Generic volume shadow copy
E:\
USB Storage Use in past 30 Days (mouse over last used for details) Hosted Virtual Machines (mouse over name for details)
Last Used
Multiple Card Reader, s/n 058F63666438, rev 1.00 7/22/2015 6:30:14 PM*
* Possibly used again before the reboot following this time.
None discovered



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Looking at it I'd say it has on board graphics which maybe a little light. The 4 gigs of memory in a single slot is unusual these days on a dual channel system I'd expect to see two slots filled with the same size memory. Looks like a system designed for business use.

Cheerio John
 
When looking for a PC when I worked with CAD's, a knowledgable chap of mine gave me some great advice: 'If it fits in the cubby in your workdesk, there's not much hope.'

This is looking at the situation from an engineering standpoint, it's irrelevent nowadays (with all the Alienwares flying around nowadays :hehe:). However, this was when I was sourcing a workstation machine, I haven't really looked for a compact workstation since then, I'm sure the size has shrunk, and the power increased.
 
The best you can do with that chassis is install half height expansion cards, which rules out anything above specific Geforce GTX 750's produced by GIGABYTE. PSU limiting of course, which it might be... That and the APU is weaker than an aging Core 2 Quad based on passmark scores, another bottleneck. This is a business orientated machine though, so don't expect to be able to do much given the form factor.

Jack
 
Technically you can, however the platform itself with its restrictive form factor and limitations in terms of performance mean it might not be worth it.
 
All those hundreds of "specs" that you posted are non-descript

Windows 64 installed:
HD size:
RAM:
CPU speed in GHz:
Power Supply wattage:
Video card model:

So many people are sold, a stinky Carp fish, at the BigBox fishstore ... great for everyday general computing, and business ... but so putridity crummy for gaming.

I have seen several people buy a $1200 PC they "thought" was great ... it failed in Trainz ... then they go right out again and buy another second rate $1200 PC ... and it fails for Trainz ... seems they never learn to ask ... before buying a "racehorse" or Florida swampland property.
 
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cascaderailroad said:
All those hundreds of "specs" that you posted are non-descript

Windows 64 installed:
HD size:
RAM:
CPU speed in GHz:
Power Supply wattage:
Video card model:

So many people are sold, a stinky Carp fish, at the BigBox fishstore ... great for everyday general computing, and business ... but so putridity crummy for gaming.

I have seen several people buy a $1200 PC they "thought" was great ... it failed in Trainz ... then they go right out again and buy another second rate $1200 PC ... and it fails for Trainz ... seems they never learn to ask ... before buying a "racehorse" or Florida swampland property.
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Do you not see the specs on the last page near the bottom for the Windows 8.1 PC!? I was using a tool that johnwhelan told me I should use to get my specs.
 
Zeldaboy14 said:
Do you not see the specs on the last page near the bottom for the Windows 8.1 PC!? I was using a tool that johnwhelan told me I should use to get my specs.
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No ... I don't think the required specs are included there ... I sort of nodded out, and drifted off to sleep after reading so much un-needed information
 
Well, since you weren't bothered to read it:

Windows 8.1 Professional (x64) (build 9600)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United States)
Installed: 5/15/2015 9:34:52 PM
Boot Mode: UEFI with Secure Boot disabled Hewlett-Packard HP EliteDesk 705 G1 SFF
System Serial Number: MXL435191B
Asset Tag: MXL435191B
Chassis Serial Number: MXL435191B
Enclosure Type: Low Profile Desktop
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
3.80 gigahertz AMD A4 PRO-7300B APU with Radeon HD Graphics
96 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
64-bit ready
Hyper-threaded (2 total) Board: Hewlett-Packard 2215
Serial Number: MXL435191B
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
UEFI: Hewlett-Packard L06 v02.02 07/02/2014
Drives Memory Modules c,d
499.55 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
449.19 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space


hp DVD-RAM UJ8E1 [Optical drive]


Multiple Card Reader USB Device [Hard drive] (15.47 GB) -- drive 1, s/n 058F63666438
WDC WD5000AAKX-60U6AA0 [Hard drive] (500.11 GB) -- drive 0, s/n WD-WCC2EKRUDLZJ, rev 18.01H18, SMART Status: Healthy 3312 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory


Slot 'DIMM 2' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM 1' has 4096 MB (serial number 0C91A49C)
Slot 'DIMM 4' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM 3' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 499.55 GB 449.19 GB free
Network Drives
None discovered
Users (mouse over user name for details) Printers
local user accounts last logon
James Johnson 7/22/2015 4:03:08 PM (admin)
local system accounts
Administrator 8/22/2013 9:47:09 AM (admin)
Guest never


DISABLED Marks a disabled account; LOCKED OUT Marks a locked account

Microsoft Shared Fax Driver on SHRFAX:
Microsoft XPS Document Writer v4 on PORTPROMPT:
Send To Microsoft OneNote 2010 Driver on nul:
Controllers Display
Standard SATA AHCI Controller AMD Radeon HD 8470D [Display adapter]
Hanns.G HB191 [Monitor] (19.1"vis, s/n 908PR3XY02690, February 2009)
Bus Adapters Multimedia
Microsoft Storage Spaces Controller
AMD USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 0100 (Microsoft) (2x)
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller (2x)
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller (3x) AMD High Definition Audio Device
Realtek High Definition Audio
Virus Protection [Back to Top] Group Policies
AVG AntiVirus Free Edition 2015
None discovered
Communications Other Devices
↑ Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet Plus
primary Auto IP Address: 192.168.2.15 / 24
Gateway: 192.168.2.1
Dhcp Server: 192.168.2.1
Physical Address: C4:34:6B:57:A4:74
Connection Speed: 100 Mbps
Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Microsoft Kernel Debug Network Adapter
Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

Networking Dns Server: 192.168.2.1
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
HID-compliant consumer control device
HID-compliant system controller
USB Input Device (3x)
HID Keyboard Device
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
HID-compliant mouse
Microsoft PS/2 Mouse
Fax
Microsoft XPS Document Writer
Root Print Queue
Send To OneNote 2010
Trusted Platform Module 1.2
Microsoft Device Association Root Enumerator
Microsoft IPv4 IPv6 Transition Adapter Bus
USB Composite Device
USB Mass Storage Device
USB Root Hub (5x)
USB Root Hub (xHCI) (2x)
Generic volume shadow copy
E:\
USB Storage Use in past 30 Days (mouse over last used for details) Hosted Virtual Machines (mouse over name for details)
Last Used
Multiple Card Reader, s/n 058F63666438, rev 1.00 7/22/2015 6:30:14 PM*
* Possibly used again before the reboot following this time.
None discovered
 
All that ??? ... It's like listening to one of my GF's (long) short stories or recipes Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

It seems to tell me: "It's not gonna werk" !
 
Can I repeat something?

This is a business-machine and not meant for high performance graphics.

http://store.hp.com/us/en/mlp/deskt..._r163_us/en/newstyleit/elitedesk700sff/buynow

The machine will melt, or have such poor performance you'll want to toss it out the window. Seriously consider something bigger and more capable as it will be extremely difficult trying to bring this machine up to a game-quality level, and in the end will cost you more.
 
John, I get it. I need a higher end PC. That's why I knew it would be better to build a Gaming rig then buy a low budget one. Besides, I don't think I'll get T:ANE, and just hold off quite a bit longer seeing how people are reacting to it now. Besides, TS12 works flawlessly for the 2nd time since the High end HP laptop, and all my other things like the DS Emulator actually run at full framerate compared to barley any on my Main Windows 7 PC.
 
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