Talk about a scam

Nothing has changed. It was the allegation of an Auran scam that prompted my post. I don't work for Auran, but I do get tired of all the anti-Auran c**p that is spouted endlessly on this subject

Peter
 
Seems possible. Download into TS2009, make a CDP and install in TRS2004. I'm fairly certain that a CDP made by TS2009 will work in TRS2004, it works that way in TS2010.

Peter
 
Seems possible. Download into TS2009, make a CDP and install in TRS2004. I'm fairly certain that a CDP made by TS2009 will work in TRS2004, it works that way in TS2010.

Peter

That's a lot of work.:( So TRS2004 will not be able to access the DLS at all.:'(
 
Buy a FCT and you can FTP to your heart's content. What's so hard to understand and do? :eek:

Marvin,

I agree with many of your points except this one. We shouldn't have to buy a FCT to use the DLS. I agree now, in lue of some recent info, in Auran's pathway to stop support for anything lower than 09, it is a good practice as far as business goes, BUT, I do not agree with the DLS. I'm not going to pay for a FCT that doesn't work. I've had one before mind you, so I'm speaking from experience. I've seen no difference in how fast I download with, or without a FCT. Granted that is just me, but I'm sure there are a few people out there like me.

Just my humble 2 cents,

Take care,

Ryan:wave:
 
Just great, I just became active in Trainz again because I am getting a new computer in a few weeks and by that time Auran will have already left me behind with no support and no additional content. Not everyone is willing to spend $50 for TS2010 and not everyone has a good computer to run it either. With me, TS2010 is too expensive (for now) and TRS2004 is affordable for me. I have been abandoned by Railworks because I chose to stay with Rail Simulator and now, Trainz too? Please don't leave me behind!
 
Marvin,

I agree with many of your points except this one. We shouldn't have to buy a FCT to use the DLS. I... . I'm not going to pay for a FCT that doesn't work. I've had one before mind you, so I'm speaking from experience. I've seen no difference in how fast I download with, or without a FCT. Granted that is just me, but I'm sure there are a few people out there like me.

Just my humble 2 cents,

Take care,

Ryan:wave:
Are you quibbling about the cost or that it works? For the price of a few beers you get a whole year of access, hardly extravagant. As for working or not, before I got my FCT, I would sometimes not be able to get an FTP connection established. Since I got my FCT, I am always able to connect via FTP. As for speed, for me I think it is more a problem with my ISP connection. YMMV
 
Nothing has changed. It was the allegation of an Auran scam that prompted my post. I don't work for Auran, but I do get tired of all the anti-Auran c**p that is spouted endlessly on this subject

Peter

Personally, I don't give a c!@p about Auran. I do take issue with the fact they've used that DLS to sell their product. Plugged each version full with that content and now want to charge access for it. None of which they built. The community built it all and they now want to charge those same people to access their own content.

What's next. Build a new version that obsoletes all that content and blame the community because everything in the game is inefficient?

Dave.....
 
Ummm, I do....

JRT

Me too... :o

I've stopped using '09 because most of the US content I have doesn't work. I'm not going to keep a program on my computer, that uses alot of precious memory, when I could download via TRS2006.

Auran is a business. If they are losing customers, isn't there a chance that they will make us pay for these things, just to boost business.
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On a brighter note, the $4.95 purchase will no doubt give you three month's access to the DLS via a FCT. Not bad for $4.95.
 
Hi All

We are currently selling the old stock, so as to clear out this old stock. As the term 'old stock' suggest, these are old programs. Generally, this means they are either unsupported, or close to becoming unsupported.

Personally, I see long unsupported games in shops fairly often, generally at a much reduced price (generally up to about $20-$25 AU, depending on age, etc) in retail stores such as EB games. A week or two ago, I saw one that won't run on OS's after Win 98. For about $20AU if I remember right.

In regards to the end of support. We simply cannot continue to provide technical support indefinitely. In the case of older versions, some simply will not function (out of the box) under newer operating systems. Some are also not supported under current operating systems. To stop providing technical support allows us to focus out technical support on newer editions, as well as to be able to provide a faster turn around time for tickets. It also helps us to keep track of what fix is best with which version (current, I have to work with 5 editions of Trainz, plus the add-on packs, plus any regional editions of Trainz).

In regards to the Download Station. You will require a FCT ($24.99AU/year, which is about $0.07/day) to access the DLS if you only have an unsupported edition of Trainz. If you have a supported edition registered, then you will still have free access to the DLS. If you have a FCT, you will also have access to the DLS.

However, for us to continue providing free (which would be taken as 'supported' by many people) access, we would also need to ensure that those editions are still able to 'internally' (using TDH/CMP) download from the DLS. This blocks us from making any major changes to the DLS in future (an example was the issues with TC3 and older not downloading after the server upgrade). This can cause us to not implement security upgrades. I'm sure that many users would start complaining if our download methods became insecure due to the age of the system.

As such, we have had to make the decision to stop free access to the DLS for those with unsupported editions. At the same time, this allows us to stop support for the internal download tools for those editions, which will allow us to start looking at improving the download station itself.

Please also see my reply to another thread, which should clear some things with this up as well:

Hi All
I've just spoken with the Trainz team, and they have confirmed that support ends on the 1st of September.

This means that we will not be fixing any issues that may arise after September 1st for TRS2006 and older (both for downloading and for uploading), and as such we will not be guaranteeing that they will be able to download/upload.

As such, if you want to upload stuff with a 2.6 build number or lower, you have to do it before that date, or it may not work. You may also find that you will still be able to upload for some time after the 1st. It is simply a case of us not guaranteeing that an unsupported product will continue to operate.

For example, if we make a required security upgrade to the servers, and it blocks (say) TRS2006 from downloading/uploading, then we will not be making any changes to fix this. We would, however, make any changes to ensure that a supported product will still function.

As such, I cannot give you an exact date of when you will be unable to actually upload for unsupported versions. However, your best bet would be to upload before the 1st of September.

Although relating to uploading, it does outline what should be expected from the 1st of September.

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Customer Support Rep
Auran Games
 
...now want to charge access for it. None of which they built. The community built it all and they now want to charge those same people to access their own content.
And what's wrong with that? When storage servers and bandwidth become free, sure but until then, a user pay system seems pretty fair.
What's next. Build a new version that obsoletes all that content and blame the community because everything in the game is inefficient?

Dave.....
If the creator makes an inefficient or faulty object, that object should be flagged as such.That Auran was too lenient in the past and let them slip by is another story. It probably had something to do with the philosophy of something is better than nothing but I degrees. Game technology has also improved and advanced since those objects were built. Things were done because there was nothing better at the time. Methods that were acceptable then are not anymore. Things change, time to more on.
 
I don't mind paying for an FCT, I've had a couple and it works great. I'll buy another as long as there is stuff that will work with 06. I wish Auran could make a new version that is backwards compatible in native mode, with no need for a compatibility mode. I don't even know if it is possible, but if they could figure that out, none of this would matter too much. It would seem that if content creators can build stuff where one asset works in all versions of Trainz, that Auran could figure it out on their end. For me it is not an issue of money. I'm not rich, but I save my play money for stuff I want. I just like TRS06, and I don't want to deal with all of the bugs with content I already use in my routes if I were to move them to '09 or '10. And Aside from that, the draw distance thing in '10 worries me. But what do I know, I only have '06, so don't listen to me.

But since this thread is about a scam, which I will consider that to be in the eye of the beholder, I say if they warn you it won't be supported, sell away. They should at least do that. Some one can buy a cheap version of an old game and they might like it and upgrade. Or they might like it too much and not want to upgrade.
 
Snippet: I wish Auran could make a new version that is backwards compatible in native mode . .

I agree! Can you imagine where we would be if MS Word 2010 wasn't able to read files from previous Word versions? What a shambles that would be.

I think every software developer on earth should be legally obligated to make there stuff backwards compatible with earlier versions. Auran (N3V) should be no exception, especially when they got the stuff for nix in the first place. I'll bet they would be waving another flag if they wrote the earlier stuff themselves.

Thousands of people volunteered millions of hours of their time to produce the stuff for this product. Auran (N3V) must acknowledge that and make it so their product continues to recognise that massive commitment.

Here is a challenge to Auran (N3V): Please show us a precedent. Please show us one software product out there that isn't 100% backwards compatible. Just one.
 
Talk about gimme pigs! You want free high-speed access to the DLS? Do you really think bandwidth is free? Hey, how 'bout this...have Auran charge $150 per copy of Trainz. Yeah, they'll lose customers (big time), but at least they'll prepay the anticipated full-service server costs.

Or, terminate the DLS altogether and let users have to find content piecemeal among a hundred different sites, because it's not like user have enough b$ to deal with. Oh, that is, that content the creators could afford to host...

Personally, I'd rather pay a little each year for CONVENIENCE.
 
Snippet: I wish Auran could make a new version that is backwards compatible in native mode . .

I agree! Can you imagine where we would be if MS Word 2010 wasn't able to read files from previous Word versions? What a shambles that would be.

I think every software developer on earth should be legally obligated to make there stuff backwards compatible with earlier versions. Auran (N3V) should be no exception, especially when they got the stuff for nix in the first place. I'll bet they would be waving another flag if they wrote the earlier stuff themselves.

Thousands of people volunteered millions of hours of their time to produce the stuff for this product. Auran (N3V) must acknowledge that and make it so their product continues to recognise that massive commitment.

Here is a challenge to Auran (N3V): Please show us a precedent. Please show us one software product out there that isn't 100% backwards compatible. Just one.

I believe it's called Compatibility Mode.

That said, Auran deserves some blame for not performing strict error-checking in the very first Trainz.
 
no its now time to do it better. there is no such thing as 2010 not being able to 'read' the older files. it just tells you when they have problems. the fact is, that when someone like MS does this they force you to upgrade the files too.

people like you who think there ought to be laws for silly crap like that are the reason why more advancements are not made. having to make sure everything was backwards compatible for stubborn people who refuse to change only hurt things for those who wish to advance.
 
people like you who think there ought to be laws for silly crap like that are the reason why more advancements are not made. having to make sure everything was backwards compatible for stubborn people who refuse to change only hurt things for those who wish to advance.

I don't know how JohnK got a snippet from me since I'm surely on his ignore list...

To clear things up, if any of this is directed at me, I am not so stubborn as to never upgrade. I am trying to learn what I can to determine if I want 09 or 10. And by backwards compatible, I mean if a new version could be bought (as in me upgrading, as I would like to advance and enjoy it while also feeding the monkey) and you could use older content without having to fix it. I don't care that new stuff won't work in 06, and there are many reasons I plan to upgrade eventually. And I damn sure don't think there should be a law. Laws are not my favorite subject.
 
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