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Trainz Addict
Hello;
I don't know how many of you have played around with layers, but I have found some important facts concerning routes, sessions, and layers.
If you are using certain objects (assets) which contain rules or other variables which you must enter manually, it will be necessary to have a route AND a session open in Surveyor while setting up these assets.
You must then save both route and session with any changes.
Next time you open the route in Surveyor, you must also open the session where you set the rules. If you open only the route, the rules and setup data will be lost.
This is completely independent of what layer you place these assets on.
Even if you place them on the Route layer, the rules they use will not be saved to the route layer, but to the session layer.
A couple of examples:
Junction Controller V2 by mizi.
You set the rules to switch multiple junctions together, such as with crossovers.
Normally, I would put this object on the route layer.
When you save the route and session from Surveyor, all of the rules get saved to the SESSION, not the Route.
This, as I said is completely independent of layers you use in Surveyor.
Another example:
JK Junctions by Andi06.
You place all of the junction components (including the invisible track) on the Route layer.
Set the rail and sleeper/ballast textures you want.
Save the Route and Session from Surveyor.
Now, if you open only the route, without opening the session, the textures of the JK junctions have reverted to the default.
If you open the session in Surveyor, your saved textures are all there.
These two examples might not be representative of other assets used in TS2010. I guess it depends on which database the asset's creator has used to store the object's variable data.
I am experimenting with the ATLS system to find out how these work with respect to routes and sessions.
What all of this says, is that when you are using such objects as I have described, you must be sure to always to have a "master" session that will always be saved with the route in Surveyor.
That way, you never lose any of the object data.
If you were to load the route only, then merrily work for a day on creating a new session, you might be disappointed, and frustrated to find that a lot of your work from the previous session didn't get carried over with the route.
I realized back in TS2006 that I always needed to open the last session in Surveyor while working with objects like the Junction Controller. I recall several times having to re-enter all of the rules for each controller because I had failed to carry the session through my route changes.
I thought that with TS2010 having layers, I might be able to simply place these objects on the Route layer, and not have to work with the sessions unless I wanted to change trains and the like. But that is not the case as I have described here.
This might help to explain to anyone why he or she has lost some of the route's functionality when opening a different session.
FW
I don't know how many of you have played around with layers, but I have found some important facts concerning routes, sessions, and layers.
If you are using certain objects (assets) which contain rules or other variables which you must enter manually, it will be necessary to have a route AND a session open in Surveyor while setting up these assets.
You must then save both route and session with any changes.
Next time you open the route in Surveyor, you must also open the session where you set the rules. If you open only the route, the rules and setup data will be lost.
This is completely independent of what layer you place these assets on.
Even if you place them on the Route layer, the rules they use will not be saved to the route layer, but to the session layer.
A couple of examples:
Junction Controller V2 by mizi.
You set the rules to switch multiple junctions together, such as with crossovers.
Normally, I would put this object on the route layer.
When you save the route and session from Surveyor, all of the rules get saved to the SESSION, not the Route.
This, as I said is completely independent of layers you use in Surveyor.
Another example:
JK Junctions by Andi06.
You place all of the junction components (including the invisible track) on the Route layer.
Set the rail and sleeper/ballast textures you want.
Save the Route and Session from Surveyor.
Now, if you open only the route, without opening the session, the textures of the JK junctions have reverted to the default.
If you open the session in Surveyor, your saved textures are all there.
These two examples might not be representative of other assets used in TS2010. I guess it depends on which database the asset's creator has used to store the object's variable data.
I am experimenting with the ATLS system to find out how these work with respect to routes and sessions.
What all of this says, is that when you are using such objects as I have described, you must be sure to always to have a "master" session that will always be saved with the route in Surveyor.
That way, you never lose any of the object data.
If you were to load the route only, then merrily work for a day on creating a new session, you might be disappointed, and frustrated to find that a lot of your work from the previous session didn't get carried over with the route.
I realized back in TS2006 that I always needed to open the last session in Surveyor while working with objects like the Junction Controller. I recall several times having to re-enter all of the rules for each controller because I had failed to carry the session through my route changes.
I thought that with TS2010 having layers, I might be able to simply place these objects on the Route layer, and not have to work with the sessions unless I wanted to change trains and the like. But that is not the case as I have described here.
This might help to explain to anyone why he or she has lost some of the route's functionality when opening a different session.
FW