Kuji Rail sim release date Friday 5th October 2007
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I wonder when (or if) Kuju will release that.amigacooke
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I see what you mean. No-one criticised each new issue of Trainz when it was released .... or did they?So please don't go bashing on KRS about basic fundamental problems when Trainz has had it's fair share of the same in each release
Indeed. No one is saying that Trainz was error free when released, (as if that would make an argument supporting lack of criticism for the KRS release anyway), but no one can deny that Trainz was fundamentally different from MSTS when it was released. Trainz offered a "worlds improved" route editor, and other improvements over MSTS right out of the box. I would venture to say that the differences in the CE from the status quo lead many of us to become disappointed with each subsequent Trainz release. As I recall, UTC and 2004 each added functionality over the CE/SP3 versions, and the REAL complaints did not arrive until 2006 was released, when we were presented with few in game improvements, and an unforgiving database to contend with too! The criticism continues with Classic, because the database is still there, the improvements in game play are few, and some others have taken a step back wards.
Now, when someone promises "everything Trainz is and more", or even just lists improvements their program will have, each potential buyer's hopes soar.........
I don't think anyone here can dispute the fact that when it arrived on the scene Trainz was a major improvement over MSTS (functionally...in game), and that's what we are all looking for in a new SIM; A major improvement functionally over 2004.
But I know disputes there will be (scroll down for proof)!
Now you that are about to say that Trainz graphics are inferior to MSTS, don't bother. I'm not talking about the game as a whole, but rather about the FUNCTIONALITY of gameplay....what can you do while playing? How much freedom do you have in game?
I know others will have their own short list, but the way I see it the new "KING OF THE TRAIN SIMS" will have to offer the following, at least:
Accurate Steam representation.
Simple Route Editor
Dependable sounds
"2004-like" functionality (Industries, passengers, ability to control any consist, use of scripts, etc....)
"2006-like" attributes (Headlights on, um.....er.......)
"TC-like" attributes (car traffic headlights on....one way roads....in cab signals....etc)
Seasonal textures
Collision boxes
A moon (damn-it why can't there be a moon?)
Easily constructed sessions, scenarios, or activities.
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A "2004-like" asset management system (simple, reliable, intuitive).
A "Firefox-like" simple and reliable update installer which can be run at any time.
When a Train Sim offers some improvements, (even if just graphically), but loses functionality, it can't be hailed as the supreme king of all train sims. Likewise when Classics offers some improvements, but takes a step back wards in other areas, well, I don't consider that an improvement either.
There now, I've filled your plates with some fine post Thanksgiving leftovers, and I'll be disappointed if you don't start picking them apart immediately. Come to the table you ravenous Hyenas!
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But not one that ignores/hides problems with content that cause unexpected crashes. That is one area CMP helps with.
Mike.
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
No, my friend, no. Our memory is not that fragile. I still remember (I have quoted it several times) that famous funny instructive Whingers & Sunblowers thread on the mythical old forum where everybody was able to show their skills to dissect pros and cons of TRS2006 in the aftermath of its release. :hehe:
That was Auran spirit at its glory: Public criticism on their own forum, allowed and fostered for the good or bad of placing TRS2006 on its top step (which has proven to be true after more than two years).
Just the opposite that is happening at Kujuans': No criticism allowed at all. (which could be the right attitude if you think about commercial strategies)
Take care,
Alberte :wave:
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ex-railwayman
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Hmmmm maybe you're right Alberte, maybe not, but one would ask why Auran have allowed such public criticism. From a commercial perspective they READ comments good and bad and although they have not executed all of our wishes, they have made some small changes, which is better than nothing. You must keep your customers to allow growth in your business, the best advert is "word of mouth" in any business, for KUJU not to allow this is tantamount to commercial suicide.
How can any company ban criticism of their product, and hope to prosper in the future if they don't learn what their customers want and what problems need addressing.
Auran's forum is probably one of their biggest assets, apart from their games, and hopefully will be around for us all to criticise, praise, etc, for a long, long time to come. Where would we be without it, and where would Auran be in the future without it........
Cheerz. ex-railwayman.
Don't know if this has been asked but...
1.Will there be an australian one?
2.Will there be australian things in any version...
3.Can i buy it at shops ex EB Games...
4.And will there be a "download station" for that to???
Personally im getting bored with trainz so im looking forward to the day i get it.
1.Will there be an australian one?
2.Will there be australian things in any version...
3.Can i buy it at shops ex EB Games...
4.And will there be a "download station" for that to???
Personally im getting bored with trainz so im looking forward to the day i get it.
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
Dear Anthony,
Short answers not to bore you
1. No, at short-medium term.
2. Not planned at short-medium term.
3. At Amazon on-line shop or at retail game shops.
4. No, no DS (as we trainzers understand it) will be available. Kujuans do not intend to do so.
Longer answers available if needed.
Alberte, :wave:
If memory serves, I believe there was quite a bit of concern when the current forum came into existence of "over moderation" etc with several people breaking off and doing their own things and such. Many threads on the subject and many complaints about "negative opinions" being swept under the rug by the Auran moderators. Whether or not that is still going on here is up for debate, I have no opinions on the matter as I never really cared that much about freedom of speech on a privately owned forum...but anyway. For some people to sit here and say that the Kuju Forum is anti negative etc. its a bit presumptuous and "in the eye of the beholder." Like I mentioned, many people thought that this forum was over moderated etc. Just bringing up another argument. I'm not arguing for kuju, Auran, or against them either. Trainz is a good product (once you learn its tricks *cough* CMP *cough* ) but the Rail Simulator demo I played (I admit, its not the full version, I'm on the wrong side of the pond for it until January) It was very enjoyable, and pretty realistic in the way of a driving simulation**
**One thing we have to consider when we look at "realism" is that we've (most of us) have never driven a train before, so our opinions on realism is what we assume driving would be. I'd be interested in actual train operator's opinions on the realism of RS and MSTS, TRS06 etc.
**One thing we have to consider when we look at "realism" is that we've (most of us) have never driven a train before, so our opinions on realism is what we assume driving would be. I'd be interested in actual train operator's opinions on the realism of RS and MSTS, TRS06 etc.
I'm still struggling with it. The new tools have brought their own problems, some of the documentation (such as how to create a route blueprint) makes no sense. The scenario editor requires you to "fly" along the route to each location you require the train to call or carry out an action rather than the pull down menu to assign commands in a TRS Session.
I intend to "have a go" at building a short route just to say I've tried but while the native ability to import DEM is useful, Transdem with its facility to overlay the scanned map is far more useful than importing markers from Google as RS does and according to posts on UKTS a bit sporadic whether it works or not.
And at the end of the day, the driving experience is not that fulfilling. The wibbly wobbly zig-zagging of the approaching track in cab view at anything above 30 MPH is nausea inducing. In external view trains still look like disembodied sprites floating above the track.
Noticed a post on UKTS (rather swiftly locked by the Mods, IMHO) detailing that Blue Sky Interactive have cancelled their plans to release rout add-ons for RS. They have cited missing or non-activated features (from the original spec) as the reason. Let's hope they didn't pay their £1000 licence fee up front...
I intend to "have a go" at building a short route just to say I've tried but while the native ability to import DEM is useful, Transdem with its facility to overlay the scanned map is far more useful than importing markers from Google as RS does and according to posts on UKTS a bit sporadic whether it works or not.
And at the end of the day, the driving experience is not that fulfilling. The wibbly wobbly zig-zagging of the approaching track in cab view at anything above 30 MPH is nausea inducing. In external view trains still look like disembodied sprites floating above the track.
Noticed a post on UKTS (rather swiftly locked by the Mods, IMHO) detailing that Blue Sky Interactive have cancelled their plans to release rout add-ons for RS. They have cited missing or non-activated features (from the original spec) as the reason. Let's hope they didn't pay their £1000 licence fee up front...
Originally Posted by crman123
**One thing we have to consider when we look at "realism" is that we've (most of us) have never driven a train before, so our opinions on realism is what we assume driving would be. I'd be interested in actual train operator's opinions on the realism of RS and MSTS, TRS06 etc.
Hi, well i told before about that point. i,m a real traindriver in RL(Netherlands) and i can tell you alot about all the sims on the market that come close to the real driving experience.
There is only one sim on the market i know that comes very close to the real physics and that is the Zusi sim. Only point that this sim is a German one with indusi and all that stuff. i tryed that sim(version 2) and this is really good. Think about that you also can give some overcharge pressure in the trainpipe (0,5 bar) for loosing the brakes etc. Also the braking and accelerating is very well done.
Trainz and BVE comes on the second place(very close together). But when it comes to Trainz you need the good scripted rolling stock(like the EN57 for example). BSI made some good add_ons. Also there is some really good freeware stuff and UK payware. When you have the good stuff this is really good.
thrid comes MSTS. Out of the box its really bad but there is some good freeware that makes this sim some better. But it just hasn´t the feeling of driving a train.(i donno what it is with MSTS but it dont give me a nice driving feeling, but the routes are great)
the last place is the RS. This is in my opinion really bad. As an example the Turboclass. The braking thing is really bad because the force is all the same. Even an emergency brake has the same force as the first notch. Also accelarating is not real in my opinion. Maby UK stock handle some different as stock of the Netherlands i dont know. There is also no awake system for the trains in RS. and i can tell you that this system is a must on trains. (maby a patch can change alot for RS)
Ofcource all the sims on the market are not the real thing. When you want that you need to take a job as a traindriver.
Greetz laika:wave:
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yea, thats my intention when I get done with college in about two more years
Thanks for your input!I would have if I wasn't colourblind. As it is, I can't determine between amber and red signal aspects in the real world (where a slight inaccuracy in TRS is welcome
). I wonder if I can drive tramcars though - only one colour in their signals . I think I might have to find that out.Curious as to why you'd spend the time and money for a college degree when you plan to seek a job that doesn't require one..?yea, thats my intention when I get done with college in about two more years
Curious as to why you'd spend the time and money for a college degree when you plan to seek a job that doesn't require one..?
I plan on applying to an internship to BNSF railways for Transportation/Operations management etc. That does require a college degree. I would like to be a locomotive engineer, but of course this offer looks more enticing. I hardly think I'm wasting my time and money. College is a good thing that if you're cut out for, you should go to, regardless of occupation. (past, present, future)
Back to Kuju Entertainment's Rail Simulator. No more threadjacking.
LeonUK-China
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After having to listen to months of bs from kuju about how good their simulator is. I've now played it and found it the most unfriendly unsatisfying rail sim I've ever used. I would Rate Trainz as number 1, BVE number two, with RS just making it in at number 3.
The user interface must be the worst I've seen in any piece of software for many many years.
Even with the graphics pumped up with everything at max there are some graphical floors that really let it down. Such as the sharp contrasting edge to all ballast. Tracks look very unrealistic. With Aurans default track from the Original Trains giving it a run for it's money
If you like train sims you will enjoy it, but it's not coming close to Trainz.
The user interface must be the worst I've seen in any piece of software for many many years.
Even with the graphics pumped up with everything at max there are some graphical floors that really let it down. Such as the sharp contrasting edge to all ballast. Tracks look very unrealistic. With Aurans default track from the Original Trains giving it a run for it's money
If you like train sims you will enjoy it, but it's not coming close to Trainz.