Kuji Rail sim release date Friday 5th October 2007

[Barry]

The way I see it is...

RS is a REAL Rail simulator...Auran is more of a "toy" train simulator...

Once all the bugs in RS are fixed, and un-doubtedly they will be it will anihilate the Trainz series. The physics in RS are SO much better...

Tom

Not only a toy train simulator, didn't it have Thomas the Tank Engine it it for the youngest generation...but also a steam train simulator - diesel train simulator - world editor simulator for historical masterpieces set in any era, narrow gauge and mining simulator, monorail simulator, tram simulator old and new, maritime simulator and in my case sailing ships and horse drawn narrowboat simulator on the UK canals 2 centuries ago...and mountain rail simulator.
Did anybody make Snowdon Mountain Railway by the way.

I think all that is factual as far as I know.

 

[paulhobbs]

Trainz was designed as (and still is) a MODEL railway simulator. This is not necessarily a bad thing and is the main difference between MSTS and TRS. Unfortunately many people are not aware that the programs are trying to do different things.

Paul

 

[Sourdough]

Hi,

..... Even when the tools will come out and this game is patched it will take years to reach the many content that Trainz or MSTS already has. And the problem is that MSTS2 and Zusi 3 is waiting. So how many peeps want to go in with RS?
Greetz Laika:wave:

Well, it took Trainz and MSTS years to reach the content level they have available....gotta start somewhere ....and what exactly is the problem that the future release of MSTS2 and Zusi3 poses?....a problem for Trainz? That BS is getting tiresome...."Look...look what's coming...heh, heh...you'll be sorry now, Trainz..." It comes...it's a yawner or no show...."Well, OK..but, look.... look what's coming this time!... you'll really be sorry now, Trainz"..etc, etc, ad nauseum.

There might be an underlying good program here but even if there is, EA would appear to have risked killing at birth it by its premature release.

There's a lesson here for everyone except Microsoft in the computer programming industry. Deciding to ignore what your testers are telling you might bring in a few dollars for a few weeks but longer term it might also be a company-threatening policy.

John

More time honored notions.....they should have waited and if they don't do it our way, they'll probably be toast..:hehe: .....if they wait until it's "perfect", it will never get released....development costs money and brings nothing in....they need to get it out to generate the income. It's always easy to spend someone else's money.....and not everything testers find wrong can be feasibly fixed......I have a feeling that if these company's train sims failed, they wouldn't go under....train sims aren't their bread and butter like some here like to imply...

 

[john259]

if they wait until it's "perfect", it will never get released....

Very true, it's a matter of balance. However, to release something known to be extremely buggy at full price isn't acceptable to most purchasers. Perhaps they could have considered offering it as a public beta test for a low price and got people on their side instead of against them.

train sims aren't their bread and butter like some here like to imply...

Agreed they're certainly not EA's bread and butter, but Kuju's fate might depend on how well KRS sells.

John

 

[Vern]

Trainz was designed as (and still is) a MODEL railway simulator. This is not necessarily a bad thing and is the main difference between MSTS and TRS. Unfortunately many people are not aware that the programs are trying to do different things.

Paul

Makes my new TRS2004 WIP (part of the Swedish Inlandsbanan) a bloomin' big model (at least 170km/110 miles)!

Since coming back to Trainz I've been quite impressed with how it does prototype routes and reasonably pleased with the outcome of my Mallaig project (once the texture glitches were sorted). I'm particularly looking forward to TC3 and the improvements to signalling, with a view to doing another UK route later next year.

 

[laika]

Originally Posted by Sourdough
Well, it took Trainz and MSTS years to reach the content level they have available....gotta start somewhere ....and what exactly is the problem that the future release of MSTS2 and Zusi3 poses?....a problem for Trainz? That BS is getting tiresome...."Look...look what's coming...heh, heh...you'll be sorry now, Trainz..." It comes...it's a yawner or no show...."Well, OK..but, look.... look what's

Well i dont think you understand fully what i mean. maby its my bad UK language. But That it took Trainz and MSTS alot of years for all that content thats what i mean that it also will cost RS so mutch time. And i have no problems at all when MSTS2 or Zusi 3 is comming. Because Trainz need some competion. So the more sims the better is. So i,m not afraid for Trainz. Also the point for building content for RS is also only what i,m reading in other forums. Alot of peeps just want to wait for the other games like (Zusi3 and MSTS 2)and are stay with MSTS or Trainz till then. Most peeps dont understand that the first impression of a game is half a way for a great succes. When this game had not so mutch bugs and bad signals setup then i think that ever1 talked the other way. But maby i,m wrong you never know. So i blame EA for such a rush
Greetz laika :wave:

 

[johnwhelan]

Well i dont think you understand fully what i mean. maby its my bad UK language. But That it took Trainz and MSTS alot of years for all that content thats what i mean that it also will cost RS so mutch time. And i have no problems at all when MSTS2 or Zusi 3 is comming. Because Trainz need some competion. So the more sims the better is. So i,m not afraid for Trainz. Also the point for building content for RS is also only what i,m reading in other forums. Alot of peeps just want to wait for the other games like (Zusi3 and MSTS 2)and are stay with MSTS or Trainz till then. Most peeps dont undertand that the first impression of a game is half a way for a great succes. When this game had not so mutch bugs and bad signals setup then i think that ever1 talked the other way. But maby i,m wrong you never know. So i blame EA for such a rush
Greetz laika :wave:

I'm not certain I agree with you. In programming and content creation we often reuse code so having one thing often is better than competition since everything has to be invented twice.

Cheerio John

 

[laika]

Hi, John

Dont you think that competion is good at all? in my opinion=> without any competition there is no progress in life. What should happend if RS was realy that good out of the box. I think Auran had to do something about that. Now they can sit back and wait again. Maby you are right and i,m wrong with that opinion. Maby TC3 brings alot improvement i will see for that. Once again Trainz is a great programm(i stay using this always, even if there is coming more) but i'm missing some speed(gfx is great also alot of content made by very talented peeps) and good sounds. Thats all i want. But maby thats more difficult to get done as i think:wave:

Greetz Laika

 

[aardvark1]

John259 says..."However, to release something known to be extremely buggy...snip"

How do you know that it was known to be buggy? Can you prove that?

Did they announce to the public ?...Hey, we have some buggy stuff we want you to buy from us so we can make a few bucks up-front.

John259 says... "Perhaps they could have considered offering it as a public beta test...snip"

Were they going to wait for 1~5, or more, years before everyone is happy?

Sigh.....,

Ron

 

[zatovisualworks]

How do you know?

Ron, please, have a look at that link, and it's the official one! (I must admit this recognition honours Kujuans; it's not easy to recognize all this buggy list for a product just released).

http://www.railsimulator.com/node/145 (increasing and counting)

BTW, I currrently do know it's buggy enough. Yesternight I defeated my natural laziness for starting it over and installed it. Not impressed at all and will be a distant second tool of virtual railroading fun for me. I missed al lot of functionalities that we have been enjoying for years. RS functionalities could be appalling for MSTS users who denied to give TRS a chance and kept stuck on MSTS dullness (sorry, IMVHO, since I uninstalled it on the second day).

And it stutters too!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No way to raise the antialiasing and anisotropic filters on my card... it stutters a lot! !!!!!!(My Comp systems are not weak at all -I tested it on two (WXP and Vista)).

It seems that moving waving :wave: grasses and heavy-poly'ed models (as they seem to be - no proven that yet, of course :hehe: ) punish performance a lot.

More testing intended but not impressed at all, and first impressions count!

Alberte :wave:

 

[AHSAN]

My dear Ahsan,

Let me explain to you my current situation in front of my computer right now:

On the one hand, I'm writing this post... On the other hand, and holding it, I have my brand new copy of RS and from my deepest corner of laziness I'm starting feeling like not installing it. :hehe:

:hehe: But I'm a disciplined and coherent person and... if I want to talk personal and objective I need to install it and suffer from whatever buggy consequence it could bring along. That's the price we, dedicated virtual trainzers, have to go through. Resignation , is it a virtue or a punishment?

Take care, Ahsan.

Alberte :wave:

Hello

Yes I understand now, thanks for explaining.

Sent you PM msg

Regards

Ahsan

 

[aardvark1]

Thank you Alberte,

My comment was to the effect that someone seemed to say that the software was released, knowingly, with the problems.

Perhaps it was....pehaps not. To state that it was done and planned to be released that way without proof is not proper conduct.

The fact that the creator promptly acknowledged the issues after the release is to their credit.

Thanks,
Ron

 

[techni]

Sorry again for my bad english

I become my copy of Rail Simulator yesterday.

-The DVD must be in the drive every time you want to start the game
SecuRom 7...

-The grafic is very good.
My system: Athlon XP (Socket A) 2600+ 768 MB DDR-1-RAM Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB Asus A7N8X

I have with ground scenery, water, view distance on max. this: 21-45 fps
With all on max. I have 11-20 fps

Resolution 1280x1024 full screen no AA...

I test it some time (I have not much this days)
Then I would say:
See it on my very old PC, then test another Rail-Sim-Game like the MSTS.

You would say: That's cool: better grafic, more fps and the same hardware.

I know now "I'm right over the last years" - "it is not my PC it is the programm that don't use the power of the hardware".

Again my PC is very old, but with this great fps, I have a little bit stutter but only then "the game must load from the HD because my RAM is too small".
Now I can wait some months longer save a little bit more money and buy build me my next own PC later 2008.

In this game 25 fps are smooth (for me).
The much more power you need for many threes....

I want to say this: "There is a free roam camera - that's great, but you must go left, right, up and down with the mouse and forward and back with the arrow-keys. That is not so fine, but I can learn it."

When you use the free roam camera you can zoom out that the train is so small... and that is it for me!
I will test to build me a "modell railroad" with rail simulator.
The fps is going not down with more distance - I have 40 fps, I don't know is that the function of LOD?
I only need:
*good grafic
*more than 25 fps
*free roam camera

This programm could be the egglayingwoolmilksow - one for all Train fans.
Real Rail Simulation and Modell Rail Roading. I will test it...

P.S. When I has the chance Trainz with this grafic or RS with this grafic I woult take Trainz. But there is nothing, then I take what I become.

 

[johnwhelan]

Hi, John

Dont you think that competion is good at all? in my opinion=> without any competition there is no progress in life. What should happend if RS was realy that good out of the box. I think Auran had to do something about that. Now they can sit back and wait again. Maby you are right and i,m wrong with that opinion. Maby TC3 brings alot improvement i will see for that. Once again Trainz is a great programm(i stay using this always, even if there is coming more) but i'm missing some speed(gfx is great also alot of content made by very talented peeps) and good sounds. Thats all i want. But maby thats more difficult to get done as i think:wave:

Greetz Laika

No what I said is that there is a price to pay. There are only so many freeware creators, spread their talents over too many sims and you end up reinventing the wheel each time and not creating content. These days with restrictive patents you can also end up not being able to do something because you need to bring two or more patents together.

It's interesting that people are now programming computers to find a way around a patent.

Cheerio John

 

[AHSAN]

Hello

Read the latest RS FAQ::hehe: you will laugh at this

1.1 Do Level Crossings work?

Level Crossings are currently static objects in Rail Simulator so the gates will not animate before or after the train passes.:hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Regards

Ahsan:hehe:

 

[zatovisualworks]

Hello

Read the latest RS FAQ::hehe: you will laugh at this

1.1 Do Level Crossings work?

Level Crossings are currently static objects in Rail Simulator so the gates will not animate before or after the train passes.:hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Regards

Ahsan:hehe:

Looking for reality and simulation?

Please, preachers on that should refrain from quoting RS as an instance! Maybe in the future!

Alberte :wave:

 

[nikos1]

oh honestly, this is really too much, you all are acting like TRS is the best game ever created without a single defect and that Railsim is totally horrible game where absolutely nothing works properly.
for the last fricken time
STOP COMPARING THIRD PARTY TRS CONTENT TO DEFAULT KRS CONTENT!

 

[Sourdough]

...for the last fricken time...

Promise?...

 

[zatovisualworks]

STOP COMPARING THIRD PARTY TRS CONTENT TO DEFAULT KRS CONTENT!

Would you please stop shouting and telling us what to do or say? If you don't like us to write on how we feel about this topic, do not read this post or ignore us (or just me). There are more serious problems in the world to shout about. Ask your teachers.

Please, behave properly and respect others' points of view. Thank you very much.

Alberte

Note for mods: My apologies for acting like one of you on this post.

 

[johnwhelan]

oh honestly, this is really too much, you all are acting like TRS is the best game ever created without a single defect and that Railsim is totally horrible game where absolutely nothing works properly.
for the last fricken time
STOP COMPARING THIRD PARTY TRS CONTENT TO DEFAULT KRS CONTENT!

But that's a major point, currently KRS third party content doesn't exist and most of Trainz content has come from the content creators.

Cheerio John