How to disable TRS22 Patches permanently ?

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As I do not want to patch my TRS22 every now and then and than run into an endless list of issues to solve. I just want to use TRS22 as I have it now and do not want to take every hurdle and new gadget that is thrown at me after a new patch for TRS22. I simply want to switch off all patches on a permanent base. However, the launcher only permits me to postpone it for a week. To say it blunt . . . I do not like the way Trainz is evolving and I do not want to get forged into a situation I will stop TRS22 completely.

Any ideas ?
 
On my Mac I went to the Trainz .app file and right clicked to Show Package Contents. Once there, I went to the Resources folder and renamed the Patch Installer.app file. I went down this road as the game interface itself wouldn't allow/accept my changes along "normal" lines. Works beautifully.
Surely on Windows there is an .ini that contains the Update/Patch installer path that can be changed or maybe even a Patch Installer .exe that can be renamed. Might check within Windows Registry as well. The key is to make/allow the game think there is a Patch Installer but make it so it can't be seen by the game, while not causing the game to start crashing.
 
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No chance, nowadays we are victims and hostages of technological companies, banks and all of that SHlT. It turns to such absurdity, that users are forced to stop using fully functional computers, mobile phones and other electronical devices just because they are not allowed to by vendors, which are stopping providing "support" in the false name of security and the progress. It is becoming serious and sometimes it really may look almost as criminal act. If You don't want the updates or "new" products, then FU with Your current, they say in the fact. No one cares about the related costs for end users or environmental resources being wasted by this. First of all: Rader mussen rollen fur den biz...
 
Copy your program installation and set up a dummy installation.
In your working copy, go into Trainz settings and the install tab.
Change the update stream. You only need to get past the first part.
When you choose which version of TRS22 to update, because you'll be prompted, browse to your dummy install folder and choose your dummy TRS22.exe.

Run the update...
This will update the dummy version and not your own and remove the prompt.

While it may be painful from time to time to update due to some of the content issues that arise, it is worth it when there are new features and service packs such as the current one which solves the track and EDBR database repair issues after merging.
 
JCitron said:
Copy your program installation and set up a dummy installation.
In your working copy, go into Trainz settings and the install tab.
Change the update stream. You only need to get past the first part.
When you choose which version of TRS22 to update, because you'll be prompted, browse to your dummy install folder and choose your dummy TRS22.exe.

Run the update...
This will update the dummy version and not your own and remove the prompt.

While it may be painful from time to time to update due to some of the content issues that arise, it is worth it when there are new features and service packs such as the current one which solves the track and EDBR database repair issues after merging.
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Excellent John. Now we have "working solutions" for both Mac and Windows versions of Trainz and the best thing is OS and Trainz versions shouldn't matter.
 
Thanks for the infos/replies.

I went for the solution indicated by sultan1966.

For windows that is:
Rename (in the TRS22 main folder) the program
"Patch Installer.exe"
into
"Patch Installer.exe.OFF"
and the (my) problem is solved.

Now I can enjoy all the old and new assets (many repaired and/or changed and/or created by me) without the endless stream of patches that ruins the fun by declaring them faulty and/or missing.
I bought TRS22 (one payment only) and I like to keep it that way. I do not like the N3V approach of monthly payments for changes that I do not like/need. I am happy with my TRS22 as I have it now and I want to keep it that way. I do this hobby for fun not for headaches. I am happy with what I have now and like to play with it without surprises by patches that I do not want.
And, FYI, I have been using (playing and creating) Trainz for a very long time. However, given the present policy by N3V it is not likely I will ever buy a new version or whatever of Trainz. As I said, it is a hobby, that I do for fun.

Regards and thanks.
 
As a failsafe I have my original off-line first release installation media for both TS2019 and TRS22 safely archived away. If the worst happens at least I can go back to Day One and start again. With both versions of Trainz they were great right out of the box until N3V started to mess with them.

Thanks John for your clever work around to stop Trainz from getting continually broken by unwelcome 'updates'. Up until now I've been endlessly doing the 'remind me next week' option on my surviving TRS22 install so it will be nice not to worry about accidentally killing it.
 
Thank you all for the advice/information. Learning very quickly that I would like to also avoid the updates, they don't seem to help at all currently.
 
JAGG said:
It turns to such absurdity, that users are forced to stop using fully functional computers, mobile phones and other electronical devices just because they are not allowed to by vendors, which are stopping providing "support" in the false name of security and the progress.
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While you could argue the advantages of stopping updates for individual products, particularly when those updates are essentially "cosmetic" in nature or just provide additional features that individual customers may not want or need, I would strongly take the opposite view when it comes to security and continued functionality.

As a former network administrator for a system that had over 1,000 users the absolute pain of my existence was often users who insisted that features such virus checkers be removed and/or OS updates be blocked from their work computers - I always denied that request to the point of physically unplugging one user from their network switch to show them what would happen to their access if the updates and AV were blocked, they got the message.

Some users with laptops would complain bitterly about being unable to do anything because the File Server was insisting that the laptop be updated and scanned before they could be used on the network after months away with no updates of any kind. I found more than a few of those laptops riddled with viruses and malware which could have infected the whole network.

You can argue that home users on their personal computers have the right to decide their own policy on virus checking and system updates and I would support that argument. But over the years there have been a few posts in these forums complaining that a newly installed Trainz version or SP is not working and it has turned out that the new version/SP is expecting that users have installed certain OS updates as required by MS or Apple.

My thoughts.

Edit: "in the false name of security and ... progress". "Progress" is often a matter of opinion but for me there is no argument when it comes to security. The majority of updates that come from MS (and presumably Apple as well) are there to plug security holes and/or fix "bugs". There are exceptions of course - a recent MS update was designed just to add their AI tool CoPilot to all Windows users. I don't use CoPilot so it is of no use to me but I allowed it to be installed because it might become useful later and future updates might depend on its presence on my system.
 
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pware said:
While you could argue the advantages of stopping updates for individual products, particularly when those updates are essentially "cosmetic" in nature or just provide additional features that individual customers may not want or need, I would strongly take the opposite view when it comes to security and continued functionality.
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Interesting. Can you point out which update/service packs for TRS22 were linked to 'security'. I assumed that TRS22 was a fully secure install (for example, in the functioning of Content Manager) but perhaps there was an issue I'd missed?
 
Paulsw2 said:
Can you point out which update/service packs for TRS22 were linked to 'security'.
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None that I am aware of. My post was in response to a general "rant" against vendors (presumably both hardware and software especially operating systems) who stop users accessing

fully functional computers, mobile phones and other electronical devices ... in the false name of security and ... progress
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Although, as I pointed out in my "anti-rant", there have been cases where users who have not kept their operating systems fully patched have found that a new Trainz update has not worked correctly until the MS/Apple required patches have been installed. This, I suspect, is probably because a new Trainz feature or bug fix has required that patch.

The most extreme case that I came across in these forums was a user who was using an unpatched original version of Windows 7 when Windows 11 was available because he did not trust any of the updates from MS. He had problems installing the then latest version of Trainz which was, he insisted, entirely N3V's fault. After other forum members walked him through the process of patching his copy of Windows 7 to the latest version, he was able to install Trainz.

But if users do not want or do not need new Trainz features then there is nothing to stop them from continuing to use TS12, TANE and TRS19. Trainz Plus and TRS22 can be stopped at a set SP by ignoring the update reminders from the Launcher. I believe it is possible in those reminders to disable them, for a set period at least, but I have never done that.
 
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pware said:
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But if users do not want or do not need new Trainz features then there is nothing to stop them from continuing to use TS12, TANE and TRS19. Trainz Plus and TRS22 can be stopped at a set SP by ignoring the update reminders from the Launcher. I believe it is possible in those reminders to disable them, for a set period at least, but I have never done that.
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Nothing to stop them but the authentification servers, right?
 
JAGG said:
Nothing to stop them but the authentification servers, right?
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The "authentication servers" have nothing to do with running update patches on current versions (the topic of this thread). By "authentication servers" I am guessing you mean the DRM system? The DRM requires internet access at least once per month (according to N3V). To download and install SP/HP patches and fixes, as well as the latest versions of Trainz, also requires internet access. To install any new software package or its updates these days requires internet access. So what is the issue with the "authentication servers"?

The standard argument against DRM/authentication is that if N3V went out of business then everyone's copy of Trainz would stop working immediately. In reality, according to N3V, it would take about a month. N3V have also stated that if they ever had to "pull the plug" and cease operations then they would deactivate the DRM system so that it would not stop anyone's copy of the program from working. The DLS and DLC, however, would probably no longer be accessible unless other arrangement were made. Now you can either believe them or not. If not then what are you going to do about it?
 
JAGG said:
Off authentication servers would stop everybody in use or avoid installing any of TS12, TANE and TRS19.
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TS12 and below will hardly be affected, it can be continued to be used, the presence of a key allows it to be used offline. There will be no access to the DLS.
And TANE and above, even if it is downloaded and installed, it cannot be used at all.
 
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