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What happens to all the poor Europeans that don't fully know/understand English? They'll be wondering why they've suddenly been left in the dark indefinitely with older Trainz copies, unable to do anything...
They generally don't purchase from us directly, so most items on the list are probably irrelevant to them. Hopefully the relevant publishers will translate and pass on the information about the DLS in the not-too-distant future.
chris
They've still possibly purchased 04 & 06. Nonetheless, they're screwed and don't know it for the most part.
You seem to be of the impression that the game will stop working immediately upon becoming unsupported. With the exception of a few key features such as direct DLS access, this is not the case.
chris
Uh, Nooooo. Not being able to download things is like taking the Bogies off a freight car. Pretty much useless.
Yeah, my number 3 complaint with 2010 was the fact that a high number of downloaded content was faulty. Because of that I have chosen not to bother with anything that does not work in native mode. I have no intention of spending my trainz time fixing content. I would rather be building a route, driving a GP-9, or learning how to build my own content. So all of that nice content created for 2004 that is faulty in 2010 I just by-pass.
Complaint number 1... Well, the fact that several of the built-in 5 star routes/sessions don't function correctly kind of pissed me off. I think my favorite of these is the holly sub auto rack move session with no autoracks. It was rather difficult to complete. =)
Complaint number 2... Speedtreez. I don't care for them. Though, I have noticed two of our lovely content creators have been hard at work trying to create their own and much improved speedtreez, and I see some promise there. I have opted to not use speed treez as I see better quality with Jan's work.
Just my two cents.
Otherwise though, I really enjoy 2010. I was debating between Trainz 2010 and Railworks. I must say, after downloading a "demo" (hehe) of railworks, I am most happy I choose to purchase Trainz 2010. Just so you know, that "demo" is no longer on my computer and only stayed for a three day period. It was the "demo" of Trainz 2006 that got me to purchase Trainz 2009 and 2010. =)
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zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
Hi Nicola,
Don't you think you're really overacting by being unfairly inaccurate when giving percentages that you do know are untrue?Guessing and overquantifying doesn't help Auran's crew - just in case you are trying to help them - to strengthen their position because you hype what is not true and trainzers do know it isn't.
You are on the verge of telling us that 99.9% of the DS assets are decaying trash. Not a happy scene of what has been happening over here for almost a decade right now! Swallowing trash for almost ten years, I'm rushing to hospital!
You really did shock me, Nicola, did you really mean that?
Hope not!
Take it easy, please, I do think some opinions over here are going too far, unfairly far, and really damaging what maybe Auran's team wanted to convey.
The shocked side of Alberte :wave: being a poor European who can't understand English, even though I earn a living out of it.
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ex-railwayman
New member
Just goes to show how arrogant Auran has now become, hey, you content creators just aren't professional enough for us anymore, so there's the door, close it on the way out......
I don't feel sorry for Chris, he's being paid to answer for Auran's heirarchy theories and future policies, a lot of you think he's doing us a favour by responding to our questions, if he didn't reply, nobody else from Auran would bother to talk to the community, it's been like that for months or even years.....Auran cannot be bothered with us, we are too trivial for them and cause too many headaches, we're a non-entity in their private little world and half of you have been sucked in by their mis-management and think they're gods gift, well, I wish someone had told us to sod off years ago, then maybe we would have done and Trainz could have been laid to rest.
I have to agree with Zorronov, Auran are cutting their noses off to spite their face, and whoever is left is your future legacy, and who did they get to help create TS2010, Chris Racer, hardly Trainz's top creator, but, then again all the other creators had probably told Auran to shove it because of their attitude towards them beforehand, so, you had just a couple of creators left who said yes.....And after purchasing TS2010, what a laugh I had, absolute trash, I felt sorry for the British lads who developed the ECML route, it should have been given it's own CD version on merit, but, if Auran think that TS2010 is the future for you, then it's a sad day for me.....
Nonetheless, this unsupported Trainz version news I think was issued last year or before that, so, we cannot say that we didn't know about it. It's just very hard to swallow that Auran think that TS2009 and 10 is so brilliant and everything else beforehand is just inept, but, then again seeing the years 2004 and 2006 on advertising blurb doesn't give Auran a strong foothold in the marketplace, who'd want to buy anything from a company who stated that their oldest stuff is the best, not very marketable, but so true.....
It's also true to say, that very few of Auran's staff are Trainzers, probably some of them have never played the game, but, they've relied heavily on content creators for free over the last decade and now because they don't think you're all up too much, they'll be getting rid of your DLS stuff as it just doesn't cut the mustard, but, if the DLS had been run properly from the outset, and all assets had been checked before being uploaded, none of these items would still be being downloaded with the same errors in. It's all very well creators saying well, it was late at night and I forgot to put an extra .tga file in, if it had been rejected at the start content creators would have had to have been more vigilant when uploading stuff. Half the assets on the DLS have missing files and other anomalies that should have been spotted beforehand, the creators then sent an e-mail advising them what the problems were and they'd remember to ensure that everything was spot on the next time they sent anything in. We still hear from people downloading items today moaning that they have to be repaired before use, well of course they do, because they weren't rejected at the time and because creators weren't informed of missing files, incorrect folders and blatant spelling mistakes they kept on providing assets with the same problems year after year after year after year after year.
Now Trainzers have been moaning for the last 12/18 months, creators are now jumping up and down because they have so much stuff on the DLS it's impossible for them to retrace and repair stuff, others aren't willing to backtrack and thousands of them have now left the community altogether....
So, until the quarter of a million or so items at a guess, that need repairing are attended to, you'll all have to repair these firstly before use. But, then again, with the touch of a button Auran can delete them all and start their new servers off with a fresh bunch of assets that come up to scratch, which is what they intend to do by the looks of things.....
Cheerz.
ex-railwayman and probably ex-trainzer now, thanks for the good times folks, it was fun whilst it lasted, but, when my FCT expires at the end of this month I won't bother renewing it. I never quite got to 3,000 posts since November 2006, but, over the years it was a privilege to know you all. Good luck in the future.
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zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
I hope so, David, I do hope so in not a 99.9% confusing way.
Take care, dear trainzy friend
The hoping-so side of Alberte :wave:
Certainly the first indication it would extend to a denial of service as regards the DLS for those only owning the older version - even with a FCT. Presumably Auran will be doing a pro-rata refund to anyone in that position. As I said in my long post, I can understand the closure of *technical* support for the older versions and let's face it most of that has been via the forums anyway.
I'm now in the process of reverting my TRS2006 and TS2010 installs to the default state and if I ever do get round to building for it again the content won't be going near the DLS.
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
I cannot see how the future is RailFail.
Bland graphics, no operational simulation, 2d track.
Physics like a toy trainset.
TS2010 may not be perfect, but it's streets ahead of that rubbish.
TS2010 is also the best version of Trainz to date.
Get real, nothing is supported for ever.
Lets see if RailFail is still around in 8 years.
Luddites, don't you just love their vision of the future.
IKB.
Bland graphics, no operational simulation, 2d track.
Physics like a toy trainset.
TS2010 may not be perfect, but it's streets ahead of that rubbish.
TS2010 is also the best version of Trainz to date.
Get real, nothing is supported for ever.
Lets see if RailFail is still around in 8 years.
Luddites, don't you just love their vision of the future.
IKB.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I have to agree that it is a cheap shot against Vern.
Hey IKB and I get on just fine - I'm way too mellowed out these days to get upset over what, at the end of the day, is just a piece of entertainment software - whichever way you look at it.
Maybe I'll amend my sig to something a little less...provocative.
My main problem with Auran's decision is that as a TS2010 owner, for reasons still to be determined I'm unable to develop routes on that particular platform. I posted previously in praise of TS2010 and all the additional built in content, but am frustrated by the inability of the programme to do what I want to do - build routes - on hardware which has no trouble with other software.
Rightly or wrongly Auran have made their decision and while I'm determining the best workaround (or sort out the software/hardware hiatus) have chosen to do something with Railworks (which also has its fair share of issues and odd marketing policies).
Maybe I'll amend my sig to something a little less...provocative.
My main problem with Auran's decision is that as a TS2010 owner, for reasons still to be determined I'm unable to develop routes on that particular platform. I posted previously in praise of TS2010 and all the additional built in content, but am frustrated by the inability of the programme to do what I want to do - build routes - on hardware which has no trouble with other software.
Rightly or wrongly Auran have made their decision and while I'm determining the best workaround (or sort out the software/hardware hiatus) have chosen to do something with Railworks (which also has its fair share of issues and odd marketing policies).
Same eight year old game engine.
Same eight year old content in each release.
Same eight year old track that doesn't lay proper switches.
Same eight year old complaints about needing to hold the shift key to prevent track snapping together.
You get the idea.
Now, a lot of flap about running the same content made years ago in the "new" sim.
Wouldn't that make everyone here a Luddite?
Just trying to inject some humor.
Dave......
Same eight year old content in each release.
Same eight year old track that doesn't lay proper switches.
Same eight year old complaints about needing to hold the shift key to prevent track snapping together.
You get the idea.
Now, a lot of flap about running the same content made years ago in the "new" sim.
Wouldn't that make everyone here a Luddite?
Just trying to inject some humor.
Dave......
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
Wouldn't that make everyone here a Luddite?
Just trying to inject some humor.
In the same mood as you, Dave... :hehe:
Not that! Our most beloved emoticon at IBTZ forum is this...
It reads... "There's life beyond Trainz" :hehe:
And that is our most important creedence...
The zombie side of Alberte :wave:
So where does it say that?
If you have an FCT, you are still OK to download, you just won't get any new stuff for older versions...
Paul