CSX is Green, but UP and BNSF...

[millam6]

I don't you tell me. They were a good company until the old washed up jerks that were managing them screwed it all up. I should hunt the people who were managing SP at the time of its collapse and whoop their butt for depriving me the right to work on my dream railroad.

Everyone has their 'dream railroad'. It could be a fallen flag, fictional, or real. That is up to you. Southern Pacific is yes, sadly, a fallen flag. It was a good RR and their locos had a nice, distinctive Grey and Red locomotive livery.

Oh, and one more thing, can we drop the rivalry? Everyone has their fav RR, be it UP, BNSF, CSX, Amtrak, NS, or a fallen flag in your place.

The RR may be extinct, or maybe it just doesn't run in your state, but simulators such as Trainz and RW bring YOU the trains and let YOU live your dream RR.

Carter

 

[hert]

What would have been even sadder would be if Southern Pacific wasnt bought by the UP and all its lines and locomotives got scrapped and sold off. Sure I wish I lived in the heyday gawking at steam and diesel in more railroads then I can count on one hand, but those days are long gone. And one more thing, there are these things called Anti-trust laws passed in the early 1900s which prevent monopolies from forming in the USA. This is also why the government stopped the BNSF CN merger.

As for the pollution, I would like to see how people would react if the Railroads didn't exist where there would be so many trucks on the highway that it would be clogged none stop.

hert:wave:

 

[Kris94]

What would have been even sadder would be if Southern Pacific wasnt bought by the UP and all its lines and locomotives got scrapped and sold off. Sure I wish I lived in the heyday gawking at steam and diesel in more railroads then I can count on one hand, but those days are long gone. And one more thing, there are these things called Anti-trust laws passed in the early 1900s which prevent monopolies from forming in the USA. This is also why the government stopped the BNSF CN merger.

As for the pollution, I would like to see how people would react if the Railroads didn't exist where there would be so many trucks on the highway that it would be clogged none stop.

hert:wave:

I doubt the SP locos would have ever been scrapped or sold off as an article I was reading while doing some research was saying after the DRGW event they were actually recovering just not at the status they were prior to the 1970s and if it wasn't for DRGW and its financial troubles, then we might have seen SP and not UP.

As far as the locos go, that's what UP has done to C44-9Ws AC4400CWs SD70Ms and other locos still in use while tunnel motors have been sold to leasers retired and scrapped as well as older geeps and Cadillacs

 

[sparky15]

Agreed.

How could train air pollution possibly have an affect on childeren? Trains are there probably there for 5 minutes (at the most) and then there gone, until they pass your house again. The people who are sueing are just stupid. Trains were there first and the people who live near the tracks are obviously aware that they are going to see a train.

I could see if you lived next to a RAILYARD but anything else doesn't cut it. Sorry but if you choose to live near the tracks, then you know what you're in for.

P.S. BNSF and UP are the best RR you can possibly have. And my favorites at that. So, the people sueing are going to screw themsleves over by THEM getting sued.

Railroads are being sued for pollution.
Law suits rarely go to trial, cheaper to settle out of court so a default win (extortion).
All it takes is a hot button issue to 12 jurors.
Anti corporation is running high here now, no idea where the suit will go as lawyers will try and pad the panel with people sympathetic to their side through jury selection. Doubt train lovers will be picked.
Common sense goes bye-bye when big money is at stake.
Stick it to the man with deep pockets and a big payout.

Dave.......

 

[hert]

I doubt the SP locos would have ever been scrapped or sold off as an article I was reading while doing some research was saying after the DRGW event they were actually recovering just not at the status they were prior to the 1970s and if it wasn't for DRGW and its financial troubles, then we might have seen SP and not UP.

As far as the locos go, that's what UP has done to C44-9Ws AC4400CWs SD70Ms and other locos still in use while tunnel motors have been sold to leasers retired and scrapped as well as older geeps and Cadillacs

Its so funny because you have no clue what you are talking about. First when a company goes bankrupt it has to pay off its debts. How do you think its going to get money? By selling its assets, in a Railroad example would be there lines and engines. If there aren't companies that are going to buy them then they still need to come up with the money so they would get scrapped.

And your second argument is just pure silly. EVERY railroad that has ever existed upgrades there fleet, sure some keep maybe a few iconic engines to save for heritage but to think that Southern Pacific would have hanged unto all there old fleet is pure ludicrous and illogical to say the least. They would upgrade and retire engines as all railroads do.

hert:wave:

 

[Kris94]

I don't think you understand what I was saying. I meant that SP wouldn't have gone bankrupt so they wouldn't have to worry about that. Plus I never said that they wouldn't retire or upgrade but I was saying what you were saying they would've been scrapped or sold off like they were about to go bankrupt SP wasn't at its best but it wasn't that bad or otherwise UP wouldn't have made an attempt. Maybe if you read this then you'd understand a little better but you still don't after reading this, then I don't know what else to do.

I know how bankruptcy works I have a grandfather who worked as a bank branch manager so he'd probably know what I mean. Plus there's two chapters in bankruptcy. Chapter 11 and another one which I forgot but one is were you can rebuild and the other one will liquidate you so it goes either way.

For your craving: http://www.american-rails.com/southern-pacific.html

 

[SantaFebuff]

To be fair, UP did have their eyes on SP for a LOOONG time.

They were waiting for a time to pounce, and they did so right as they were coming out of the failed SPSF merger.

Let me tell you something you might already know.

"But did they have a lot of influence and power? SP and PRR were the only ones that would be considered as elite. They were always fighting for the top spot as far as the number 1 RR in the US."

No, they didn't. In the 1960s, every railroad was struggling to keep onto passenger service. It's not a form of rail travel that makes money. Freight is what makes money. So, to save the railroads from losing everything, the government bailed them out in 1970 with Amtrak. SP in there prime in 1970s? Hell no. Try 1940s-1960s. And even in the late 1980s to merger. The 1970s, I'll admit, were the most dramatic times in SP's life as a railroad. You had so many different locomotives, the iconic bloody nose was in it's prime, etc, etc. However, look closer. SP was struggling and wasn't trying too hard. Back in the 1970s, you couldn't tell if the crossing signal was on, or working, because they NEVER cleaned the lenses. So they looked like they were always off.

SP had dirty locomotives. They weren't running the best. They looked cool being dirty, but you know what, wouldn't want to run on SP in the 1970s.

To show you what I mean:
1976:

Look how dirty everything is, how warped and bumpy the track is, and how many weeds there are.

1977... wouldn't call this the prime time of these locomotives:

Now, don't get defensive with me. I just wanted to show you another side of SP you don't appear to have seen. Yes, I love an ALCO in rust, but in reality, they got scrapped in a few years since that photo. SP was upgrading. Just like Santa Fe, they were getting GEs. No doubt if they were still around they'd have replaced a lot of locomotives with SD70ACes, and GEVOs. It was for the best for the railroad to die young.

Also, about UP, bad railroads haven't lasts since 1846. If it's worth anything, when they merged, the paperwork was very messed up. In the end, technically, UP merged into SP, but eh. UP is what's on the locomotives.

Now, about PRR, you have left out a lot of railroads... including the one you hate. UP. UP was VERY power hungry. Even more so than PRR. Turbines, DD40s, Big Boys, Challengers, the list goes on! Then there was the C&O, who invented their own Turbine, along with N&W, and a few others! Sure PRR was a powerhouse, but they ruined with when they merged with NYC into PC... which was a huge failure. Why? At one time, PC put 5 locomotives on a 20 car train in hopes that at least one was running by time it finished it 20 mile journey... only one WAS running when it finished. True, Conrail did straighten things out.

BTW, one of the local Rail America Class IIs (TPW) leases an old SP SD45T-2.

Cheers,
Joshua

 

[Kris94]

Well the lenses on the grade xing's were dirty and the locos were to because I guess SP didn't see the value in cleaning those things as they were washed only when it rained so I guess by not cleaning them saved a little money but even today every single SP unit patched or not has some wear and tear like the GP40-2s, SD40M-2s, GP40M-2s, GP38-2s, and other older engines and they have graffiti on them as well.

But just because the engines and lenses of grade xings didn't look good doesn't mean that the railroad wasn't performing. That's like saying that I live in the ghetto or a neighborhood infested with gang activity so I'm a thug or hoodlum like they are.

But no I'm not getting defensive I'm just saying it was bad but not as bad as some people want to make of it because it could have been a lot worse at least I was born while SP was relevant but only 2 years of age so I wouldn't remember anything from then but oh well they're gone so its whatever unfortunately.

 

[SantaFebuff]

Well, it was on like every crossing. So it's not good. Usually, when a signal is maintained, they spray the lenses or wipe them. BTW, are you saying this locomotive has never seen the action of SP in the 1970s? It also has graffiti on it?:

Don't be so specific. The crossing in Chicago don't look that bad, and neither do the ones in gang-infested Kankakee.

Cheers,
Joshua

 

[Kris94]

Wasn't that former SP SD45T-2 no. 9395 working for TPWX? I wonder when they might decide to withdraw it from service. I would be more than happy to own some SP tunnel motors maybe I should ask how I can possibly get them to donate it to me?

 

[H222]

maybe I should ask how I can possibly get them to donate it to me?

Kris, unless you have a bit o' cash lying around or Museum, good look with that

BTW - UP is great

Jamie

 

[SantaFebuff]

Want a GP9R (ex-GTW)?

http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/detail.asp?id=707&n=EMD-GP-9R-4604

Just buy some track and turn up with $170,000.

Got $37,000? Buy an old Wabash EMD NW2:

http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/detail.asp?id=756&n=Wabash-EMD-NW2--NEW

Now, about that shipping cost... :hehe: ...and fuel.

Cheers,
Joshua

 

[PereMarquette1225fan]

maybe I should ask how I can possibly get them to donate it to me?

Fat chance you'd get yourself a real Tunnel Motor. Those bad boys are expensive and you'd need a lot of ducats to pay for that sucker. Sure, I'd love to own Pere Marquette 'Berkshire' #1225, but a locomotive costs a lot of ducats to own and to add to that, you'd have to pay for shipping, fuel and storage if you were going to store it somewhere. If you want a Tunnel Motor so bad, just go to the DLS and download the Tunnel Motors already made and then you'll finally have a 'real' Tunnel Motor.

 

[millam6]

Railroads are being sued for pollution.
Law suits rarely go to trial, cheaper to settle out of court so a default win (extortion).
All it takes is a hot button issue to 12 jurors.
Anti corporation is running high here now, no idea where the suit will go as lawyers will try and pad the panel with people sympathetic to their side through jury selection. Doubt train lovers will be picked.
Common sense goes bye-bye when big money is at stake.
Stick it to the man with deep pockets and a big payout.

Dave.......

LOL!

I know nothing about lawsuits nor do I care.

So lets just pray the idiots that are sueing have good lawyers because if you sue a RR, you're in for quite a ride my friend...