Auran why not start a maintenance fee based approach

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is this the place you allow me to start new thread??

Auran should go even more professional and make a software support maintenance fee at a price X.
Reason:
to enable them to have sufficient in house source to develop and MAINTAIN the existing source and make new source work and have funds.
When I developed and sold my 3D software back in the 80ies and nineties the customers paid the license fee per seat, multiple seat or if big multi-national or governmental institution or military they paid a what I call e general on time license fee ( which covered x amount of of course rebated multiple licenses but than they pay per seat software maintenance averaging 10% of the per seat list price. This allowed the developer to keep and maintain a stable an sound apparatus to do the job and develop on a fast pace key solutions per customer and generally based new products that fit our customers future markets.
Be in mind i operated in the high end market where licenses were sold at 20K usd each and up and turn key solutions 100k and up.
BUT the system should work the same on the low end mass market like this niche for Auran with this 'attached' customer base.
Tony you listening?maybe not well the heck I made my fortune multiple times and on a more than fair bases for the customers and for my crew and for me.
I NEVER cheated or misinformed anyone always fair and open never promise what you not have or not can and show unconditional trust.
I always was straight forward to some to straight as it unveils certain opponents different intentions very fast and furious.
I have many you would call 'tips and tricks' I would call simple field experience and listen to my little voice in my heart and mind.
Maybe most times this said is like crying in the desert and few hear and say yes but continue their struggle and sing the song: 'blowing in the wind' how many times must a mountain exist before it is washed to the sea...... very nice song and so applicable. History repeats itself people never learn from others mistakes.

you all have a nice day and do not be scared to say something useful or shut up.;)
 
what is real now is WYSIWYG not true

I am more than real, save a few hamburgers a year and have more fun than nitting the whole yourself.
Look at all the threads on the forum and trainzdev....get real and tell me who is doing all the field work sweat and frustration not auran compared to all the threads I read.
Who has to develop the objects to make it work to ts2009 native mode standards tell me honest who?????

Its almost like you buy a car running hybrid nice topic:

the seller auran hybrid carz says: its running on new bio fuel .....here is an example....... but just an example (not even a good one)

the buyer be aware has to make his own fuel to make the car work hybrid....

the world upside down....yes Australia.

greetzzzz

Roy
 
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I thought they already did that.

Its called the DL ticket or whatever it is for the "faster?" download speeds.

09 I feel is a thorn at the moment for Auran, if they came out and ask us to pay a fee for them to fix content... that would for sure be the last Nail in the coffin.

If Trainz was some super auto Cad like program that was used in a more real world setting, then maybe.

Now maybe some of the 'builders" working with G-max and such might be willing to offer their services on a contracting basis "$100 USD for a tree, $200 USD for the station that is in your home town" type thing, that might be do able :-)... but then isn't that what the payware people are doing?
 
Whoops!
Didn't appreciate the satire. My apologies man! IMHO TRS2006/TC3 is the end of the line for Trainz (pardon the pun) TS2009 has nothing new, it is full of bugs, and a complete rip off for those of us who have parted with good money for it.
Geoff
 
joosten said:
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What.

I seriously don't want to pay more money, and I doubt such a system would be profitable- I always figure out problems myself in the end.
 
I am sorry does anyone have any idea what that joker is banging on about because I have read the post 2 or 3 times and I still don't know what is problem is?

With regards 2009 Yes there are bugs in it but there are bugs in Windows XP Pro and windows VISTA but are you all running to Linux? NOOOOOOOOOOOO I hear you shout so stick with 2009, Auran know there are bugs in the game which is why they released SP2 which gets rid of alot of the bugs.

Nothing new in 2009? Check out some of the German and spanish routes and rolling stock in the game ;)
 
Why maintence fee will not work.

Interesting idea but I too worked in the high end software industry in the 90s and business customers are willing to shell out a maintence fee because the software is critical to their business. If a mishap occurs then they call support to get going immediately. If a problem occurs in Trainz post it to the forum. There are many members who are willing to help for free. You might have to wait for responses which will give you time to solve the problem yourself. Not unlike the real world when you call support they say they are busy and to email the problem and they will get back to you. The other problem from Auran perspective is that call centers are expensive to operate. Trainning and retaining qualified personal is expensive.
 
I have been out enough

geoffwilliams said:
Get real Man!
You should get out more
Geoff
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you live in the UK. go out and look what'z real than you see for yourself what the grand theft of the last 10 years really was in the US,EU and the world. Where's the pound that's real!
Everything back to below normal first and hopefully back to normal.
I here support poor people and give jobs to jobbless families that's real and they have a normal life! that's real. you bunch of little spoiled idiot'z expect for 30 buck to have support for a life time and all for free if possible nutszzzzz.

shee i am so happy I live here where people are grateful and live normal ever since.

Roy
 
I think I need an asbestos suit......

I think I need an asbestos suit to visit this thread. Flames seem to be everywhere.:o
 
Screw this thread! Why don't you quit making fun of people and writing stupid things, this whole thread is just a buch of horse hockey. Making rude comments about peoples country is not cool. This thread has nothing to do with this community, if you want to make a stupid complaint like this or whatever it is, write a letter or talk to Dr.Phil, he actually helps nuts like you! Leave the community alone. We like our game, and if we didn't we wouldn't post something as dumb as this! Get a life or take a hike. Jerk.
Cheers and have a wonderful day.
Illinois Central
 
Oh and BTW, I see AJ Fox edited your post for foul mouth. BTW thats not allowed! Go cuss someone else out, we are a cummunity that supports eachother. Go somewhere else, like Jerry Springer.com! There's your kind of site.
 
when rednecks start jumpin thats real life

illinoiscentral said:
Oh and BTW, I see AJ Fox edited your post for foul mouth. BTW thats not allowed! Go cuss someone else out, we are a cummunity that supports eachother. Go somewhere else, like Jerry Springer.com! There's your kind of site.
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remind you:
  1. get out of your dipers and start helping fix the broken economy which runs not for free
  2. jerry springer is a\I think a US citizen and his low life program a US program loved by rednecks and sorts of and not my kind of stuff,anyway.....
  3. you are to young(14 my god) to have big mouth like that but i remember a saying on the forum: i am responsible for what I say not for what people make of it
  4. I support a fee for getting almost bug free releases(95%) and be able to get service to the core of the program.
  5. if you expect the forum to fix things that is in the best case cosmetic coz the engine and propritary software from auran is not accesible for a good reason
  6. speedtree is not an option or another one as long as auran not has the rights to use and distrubute embedded third party stuff (royalties)
  7. i asked for something constructive comments in my thread not garbage can ready sentences.
see you

Roy
 
Roy,

Your idea works for the higher-end software such as custom ERM and CRM SQL database or Oracle based programs, or perhaps a high-end 3D graphics program.

For a gaime, there is no real market for this kind of service. The amount of money that each user would come up with would be mere pittance and wouldn't cover any of the development costs. Let's see... a 10% maintenance fee on $30.00 USD is what $3.00 per user?

John
 
I agree to certain extend

JCitron said:
Roy,

Your idea works for the higher-end software such as custom ERM and CRM SQL database or Oracle based programs, or perhaps a high-end 3D graphics program.

For a gaime, there is no real market for this kind of service. The amount of money that each user would come up with would be mere pittance and wouldn't cover any of the development costs. Let's see... a 10% maintenance fee on $30.00 USD is what $3.00 per user?
John
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Dear John,

first thank you for the normal comment and constructive way of writing. much appreciated.
Yes absolutely but I wanted to wake up some senses amoung all of us and Auran.
Yes my market was the high end market but I stated also that for the low end its possible to make e fair construction depending on how big your user/customer base is and how loyal they are and both ways how committed.
My first thought would be how many licenses Auran sold and in the past they claim a huge amount even if 60% true a fairly good basis for a basis not of 10% of the list price that never work but a fair amount that would trigger customers to say yes when they understand the benefits.
Instead of releasing every now and then a new version like 2006,now 2009 you simple have a trainz pro release xxx and continue to have that for at least 5 or more years and more to go depending on the succes of the underlaying platform being able to cope with the new hardware.
Even if you pay 50% or 75% of the sales amount every year for that Auran on their behalve has to deliver much more than what they brew right now.
It has to be top notch stuff and libraries fingerlincking good and idiotproof not foolproof.
The forum and content builders have than much more staible fundations to build upon look at the history:
how many content builders that started pro and stopped with trainz because of insufficient professional service and platform stability from Auran, as simple as that.
If Auran would deliver the content builders can invest much better and afer on the long term and make it for Auran a better deal, for the users and for the content builders. You would buy because you know this will be around for a long while and with excellent stuff.
It is not that hard only the formula of creating trust on all sides and willingness to save on 30 or 40 bottles of coke you have a full year of 1st clss support and products and not to forget delivery of library item by Auran too!!!!
To refer to the first class ticket right now I think Auran damage more the relationship than the money they make of it.
I tried that ticket once when starting with trs2004 and got really pissed of as it did not work for 90% of the time and reading the forum many other poeple in the same boat.

I do not need asbestos for this funny thread where certain individuals make themselves look pretty silly and only after free stuff but alas that happens too.
I sincerely wish we could form a gourp of descent users and Auran to make a fomrlau workable for the long term.
To end with:

if all of you look back in the year in your budget and see what you spend where and what you would you like most for that amount of money to happen;
2 big meals, 3 big meals spending in a few hours nice but fast and gone.
1 timer support for 2010.... enjoy online support for 12 month, real updates, real new objects, real stuff to touch and most if it content content builders who are now willing to work again with Auran.
IT WOULD LIFT THE ENTIRE TRAINZ COMMUNITY and AURAN TO A HIGHER LEVEL.

THANKS,

roy:wave:
 
geoffwilliams said:
Whoops!
Didn't appreciate the satire. My apologies man! IMHO TRS2006/TC3 is the end of the line for Trainz (pardon the pun) TS2009 has nothing new, it is full of bugs, and a complete rip off for those of us who have parted with good money for it.
Geoff
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Hey Geoff i forgot you're british. ok man no big deal!!!
I remember Tommy Cooper the magician: for almost 40 minutes all his tricksm went down the drain with a big smile and than fabulous at the end a big one that worked.
Great guy great smile we need more of that type in this ugly world.

have a nice day

Roy;)
 
one little thing about antivirus and firewall package

how much everyone spend every year on iolo or bitdefender gamesafe? Ibet the same as I do and never question why or to much or for free.
this is just a thought they can do and maybe have a large market just a thought.


Roy:)
 
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