About to embark on an experiment......

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sethmcs

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I have often wondered how Trainz would work on a ultra modern workstation.

For this experiment I have chosen:

HP Z800 Workstation FM015UT#ABA
Processor:Intel Xeon Six-Core X5680 3.33GHz 64 bit Six-Core Processor
Cache per processor:12MB L3 Cache
Memory: 12GB 1333MHz DDR3 ECC Unbuffered RAM
Harddrive: 450GB 15000rpm SAS
Graphics Card:NVIDIA Quadro FX4800 (1.5 GB)
Power Supply:1110W 89% efficient power supply - wide ranging Active Power Factor Correction
Operating System:Windows 7 Professional 64-bit


The experiment is scheduled to start sometime next week as soon as Fed Ex brings it.:hehe:
 
I think he wants to try to run a very high-detail route with all settings maxed

Jamie
 
JJDella said:
I think he wants to try to run a very high-detail route with all settings maxed

Jamie
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There is no route in existence that could slow that beast down.
My system (i7@4.02/2x 470GTX card(s) can handle anything. EXCEPT cad & other similar 3D applications. Which this system was designed for.
This should be quite the experience.
-Dave
 
sethmcs said:
I have often wondered how Trainz would work on a ultra modern workstation.

For this experiment I have chosen:

HP Z800 Workstation FM015UT#ABA
Processor:Intel Xeon Six-Core X5680 3.33GHz 64 bit Six-Core Processor
Cache per processor:12MB L3 Cache
Memory: 12GB 1333MHz DDR3 ECC Unbuffered RAM
Harddrive: 450GB 15000rpm SAS
Graphics Card:NVIDIA Quadro FX4800 (1.5 GB)
Power Supply:1110W 89% efficient power supply - wide ranging Active Power Factor Correction
Operating System:Windows 7 Professional 64-bit


The experiment is scheduled to start sometime next week as soon as Fed Ex brings it.:hehe:
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Lol, why would Trainz perform any better on that “ultra modern workstation” then it would on any of the other i7 setups that have been discussed here over the last 12 months?


Processor:Intel Xeon Six-Core X5680 3.33GHz 64 bit Six-Core Processor
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That CPU won't perform any better than any other i7 at that clock speed plus with this “HP ultra modern workstation” forget about overclocking.



Memory: 12GB 1333MHz DDR3 ECC Unbuffered RAM
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12GB of memory with loose timings isn't going to be any better than 6GB of 1600MHz or higher RAM running at tight timings.



Graphics Card:NVIDIA Quadro FX4800 (1.5 GB)
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A Quadro card isn't going to be any better then a high end 400 or 500 GTX series and are ofter worse for gaming.
 
djt said:
Lol, why would Trainz perform any better on that “ultra modern workstation” then it would on any of the other i7 setups that have been discussed here over the last 12 months?


That CPU won't perform any better than any other i7 at that clock speed plus with this “HP ultra modern workstation” forget about overclocking.



12GB of memory with loose timings isn't going to be any better than 6GB of 1600MHz or higher RAM running at tight timings.
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This machine can be expanded to use CPU x 2 and 192Gb ram. You should see how this thing is built. :hehe: http://h20331.www2.hp.com/hpsub/us/en/workstation_experience.html
 
I don't really care much about the CPU, I'm interested to see how the GPU pans out, especially on a route with a lot of Speedtrees.
 
This machine can be expanded to use CPU x 2 and 192Gb ram. You should see how this thing is built.
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What good is “expanding” it going to do for gaming? Nothing, lol.




I'm interested to see how the GPU pans out, especially on a route with a lot of Speedtrees.
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Why would it pan out any better (most likely it will be worse) than a high end 400 or 500 GTX series card?


Do a little research and let us know how Quadro cards do with gaming.
 
djt said:
What good is “expanding” it going to do for gaming? Nothing, lol.




Why would it pan out any better (most likely it will be worse) than a high end 400 or 500 GTX series card?


Do a little research and let us know how Quadro cards do with gaming.
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I've always wondered. For what I've read, most say it probably isn't better; some people (like you - haven't we had this discussion for the upteenth time?) just like to buy overpriced junk for bragging rights, without much thought as to whether or not it is better or even that it makes a difference. That's exactly why I'd like to see how it pans out.
 
For what I've read, most say it probably isn't better; some people (like you - haven't we had this discussion for the upteenth time?) just like to buy overpriced junk for bragging rights, without much thought as to whether or not it is better or even that it makes a difference.
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Really, who, do you have examples? What over priced junk?


I don't buy any hardware that doesn't improve performance with the games I run.


Please let's not turn this into another one of your “someone brought nicer toy's to the sand box than I have” sob story, lol.




That's exactly why I'd like to see how it pans out.
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and that's why I said, do some research, then you'll see how it has panned out many times in other forums and review sites.






FYI, this has me wondering...
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Why does it have you wondering? Simply compare the specs on the Quadro card to a high end 400/500 GTX card.


Again it's no secret that Quadro cards are not good for gaming on.
 
sethmcs,
Experiment away, hope it works ok for you. Optimism and gloom and doom are rife in this forum almost a speciality.
 
You forgot speculation and misinformation, lol.
How about gross optimism and pessimism, carry on like this and we'll all be walking round with boards strapped to our backs with THE END IS NIGH:hehe:
 
This is not a toy or a gaming machine

One might have guessed that this is not a toy or a gaming machine. I bought this computer to run my company. I plan on using it for the next ten years so the awesome upgrade capabilities in terms of memory addition CPU and raid storage were the main selling points. Still its first mission over the holidays will be to run Trainz.:p
 
djt said:
Really, who, do you have examples? What over priced junk?

I don't buy any hardware that doesn't improve performance with the games I run.

Please let's not turn this into another one of your “someone brought nicer toy's to the sand box than I have” sob story, lol.
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Lol, please don't turn this into another "I've got a little ---- so I have to compensate with a bigger computer" thread.

We've been over this before - well, lots of people and you, IIRC. The OP's rig is overkill for Trainz, as are a lot of less exotic "gamerz" rigs.

and that's why I said, do some research, then you'll see how it has panned out many times in other forums and review sites.
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Actually, I posted that link because I was looking at prices the other night and was rather surprised to learn people would actually spend $3,100 on a video card that offers little or no benefit over cheaper hardware. Kind of like running Trainz on some of the high-end rigs out there. It would be interesting to see what, if any, kind of performance gain they get and figure that as, for example, a cost-per-fps. Mainly for laughs.

And that's what this is about: I see lots of people buying insane machines. It really boggles the mind. Again, we've been over this about 100 times now.

The point is, it's pointless, past a certain point, to upgrade one's hardware. You can't see more than x number of fps (for the most part, really about 30, though one can argue about fluidity, etc.) Beyond a certain point, performance gains are only academic or for bragging rights. It WOULD be interesting to see what the Quadro can do, however, and the cost of doing so.

Why does it have you wondering? Simply compare the specs on the Quadro card to a high end 400/500 GTX card.

Again it's no secret that Quadro cards are not good for gaming on.
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No, it isn't a secret. Again, it's interesting academically to know what a Quadro (or, really, even what a 400/500 card) would do with TS2010, since no one has posted results AFAIK. Beyond that, there probably is little point in using anything beyond perhaps an old E2200 and an 8400GS as far as Trainz is concerned.
 
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