A Bit Annoyed with the DLS

[wholbr]

Off Topic

Hi Everybody

snip~It would help if you use paragraph spacing and not use run-On sentences! John ~snip

snip~I have a sore throat, and you have irritated it by making me laugh at this...~snip

Why would that make you laugh LadyWind. When all John is asking for is standard punctuation when posting on the forums

We have both comparatively young and older retired members who read these threads. The first group may well still be building their reading skills and the second may have weakened eyesight which makes reading large blocks of continuous text very difficult.

Therefore, (and with every respect) I feel it is not much to ask contributors to have some consideration for the above members when posting. It does not cost anything in time, money or effort to break your document into a few paragraphs and keep your sentences to a reasonable length.

The above would undoubtedly make the reading of this forum much more enjoyable for a great many members.

With thanks
Bill

NB:-Apologies for taking the thread off-topic, now can we return

 

[Barry]

Are Horse-Drawn Barges pulled by Sea Horses?

No they would not be strong enough and live in the sea and each barge would need about 10,000, and of course not required anyway as sailing flats and sailing barges were used. Horse drawn barges were the main transport system in the UK. Barges were pulled by horses along the 1000s of miles of canals in the UK, many canals still exist today very similar to as they were 200 years ago.

As regardsTrainz this was achieved by offsetting the coupling on my barges but my horses unfortunately that I made were a bit stiff in the knees. They are probably still on the DS. Whether they work or not in later editions of Trainz I have no idea and no longer my concern. The canal banks and towpath were splines. Whether I can achieve the same results in the "Blender" Game Engine I am not sure.

B

 

[NSWGR_46Class]

I felt too sorry for poor Auran one may want to look at the fact they are still laughing all the way to the bank on the money we all supplied them, and will continue to supply them, they have users over the clothes line and they know it.

Auran will not be laughing all the way to the bank as they made so much profit out of trainz they went into recivership almost 4 years ago..
http://palgn.com.au/9823/auran-development-team-in-liquidation/

Thats why N3V is now runniing the show ....

Oh I do need to state that I was employed for a while by Auran back in the days of Dark Reign ...

 

[OverlordNZ]

Nuff Said after yet another 6 pages of "I want everything free" whining about the DLS..

 

[mezzoprezzo]

Nuff Said after yet another 6 pages of "I want everything free" whining about the DLS..

Tell me why N3V continue to expect free uploads then?

The original ethos of mutually supportive development has been lost. IMHO, Trainz is the most creative of the surviving train simulators, but has made a change of direction which may well be profitable, but probably only in the short term.

The long term outlook could well be somewhat bleak. There are a lot of great new assets out there which are not being put on the DLS. And the numbers do seem to be increasing. The never ending search for missing assets for shared routes, uploaded to third party sites, thus becomes magnified now that the central repository (DLS) restriction is driving a further scattering of assets.

In addition, some creators have stopped making stuff altogether or have gone payware. I wonder how many new, and ever improving assets, might have been created and shared but haven’t, because their makers have not uploaded as a direct result of the new policy?

If they ain’t gonna be paid they, at least, need to be kept on board and motivated.

Many of these makers of routes and assets are amongst the most prolifically creative, who evolved their talents and sharing thinking from the philosophy of the early Auran days. Why have N3V chosen to alienate them? You don’t save money by losing creative “staff” that were never paid in the first place. Quite the opposite I would suggest.

The new “commercial” direction seem a far cry from the initial concept.

Cheers
Casper

Imageshack

 

[zatovisualworks]

Dear Caaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssspeeeeeeeeeerrrr,

What could I say but...

"You are a creative creator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" :Y::clap:No need to model at all. Just paint your trainzy pictures.

But... be careful :hehe: you'll start getting non-stamped letters like this...

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showpost.php?p=759305&postcount=15

The Prætorian Guard is unforgiving... Luckily our armours can endure much more than that. Ides of March will pass and the PG will need another cause.

The laughing side of Alberte :hehe:

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BTW: :hehe: Isn't the one you are addressing your comments a bit annoyed with the DLS and the entire world too?
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[wholbr]

Hi Casper and everybody.

Tell me why N3V continue to expect free uploads then?

The original ethos of mutually supportive development has been lost. IMHO, Trainz is the most creative of the surviving train simulators, but has made a change of direction which may well be profitable, but probably only in the short term.

The long term outlook could well be somewhat bleak. There are a lot of great new assets out there which are not being put on the DLS. And the numbers do seem to be increasing. The never ending search for missing assets for shared routes, uploaded to third party sites, thus becomes magnified now that the central repository (DLS) restriction is driving a further scattering of assets.

In addition, some creators have stopped making stuff altogether or have gone payware. I wonder how many new, and ever improving assets, might have been created and shared but haven’t, because their makers have not uploaded as a direct result of the new policy?

If they ain’t gonna be paid they, at least, need to be kept on board and motivated.

Many of these makers of routes and assets are amongst the most prolifically creative, who evolved their talents and sharing thinking from the philosophy of the early Auran days. Why have N3V chosen to alienate them? You don’t save money by losing creative “staff” that were never paid in the first place. Quite the opposite I would suggest.

The new “commercial” direction seem a far cry from the initial concept.

Cheers
Casper

There is much truth There in what you say Casper, but unfortunately the ethos of business over the last 10 years has completely changed. Where it used to be long-term planning for future profits it is now profits today and worry about tomorrow when it comes.

For evidence of the above you have to look no further than the multinational banks who have (in my opinion) pushed the developed world into the biggest economic crisis ever seen by their "profits today lending policy" and to hell with tomorrow.

I believe the problem lies with the policy which evolved in the 90s of promoting much younger people to senior positions of management. In the clamor that there now is to achieve such positions it would seem to me that it is what you have achieved short term in terms of profit which decides your promotion.

The above can cause young managers with little experience to take excessive risks in making money for their companies so that there light will shine in their bosses office. Hence the big banking crisis of three years ago.

I believe that the Trainz management no doubt under the direction of the parent company are driven by the above. However, don't be too hard on them as they are no different to hundreds of thousands of other companies wherever you look.

In short management planning these days sadly is " jam today and somebody else will look after tomorrow when I'm promoted".

That is the world we live in sadly

Bill

 

[RubeTube]

As we are being told that TRS 2010 is the best-selling Trainz version so far brought out, so obviously the management policy is indeed succeeding far beyond expectations to the benefit of its investors.

Bill

Not neccessarilly. TRS2010 was already being planned and built back in 09. They just did a much better job on it and added new features. If this policy of theirs is working so well, why havent we seen some minor things that could be improved easily, such as adding a doppler effect to sounds, more pre-installed motive power instead of relentlesly re-skinned SD40-2s and GP38-2s? I am just saying that it all comes down to the fact that times are hard and if they dont do something that will coordinate with us, the customers and our wallets, then they are going to lose alot of "us". If you want to charge more for something, make it better. The download speeds suck and two snails having relations would probably go faster to be honest. Also, you cant use FCTs by the day. Thats like booking a hotel room for 3 nights and only staying there for 1. Also, lets be honest, why arent those content creators who made most of the stuff getting a cut? That is just wrong. It's like me making a new video game, giving it to someone to promote and boost morale, then he decides to make a profit off of it and I get nothing when it was created by me. I mean my god, how many pairs of glasses do people need to be able to see the manipulation and illegitamate things going on? Thats my input; Love or hate it. Don't really care, because you cant say anything to change my views on what Auran is doing.

 

[RubeTube]

Nuff Said after yet another 6 pages of "I want everything free" whining about the DLS..

Ok. Look here, barney badass. It's called the 1st amendment which judging by the fact that you are called the "Grumpy Old Ba5tard" you may have been around to witness. Now we have just as much of a right to post as you do. If you don't like it, then leave the forum. For someone who finds it so pointless, you sure do seem to be reading alot of the posts in this board. In reality you are the one whining about our opinions. Your "tough stuff" ego is pissing me off more than the central issue of this topic, so do us ALL a favor; take your MIDOL and stay out of it if you don't like it. Comprehend? Oh and this isn't all about people wanting everything free. It also has to do with the fact that the people who generously created some great content, arent getting any cut of the profit or at least gettin exemptions from the dumb FCT. Therefore, alot of awesome content will NOT be released in the future. SO YOU JUST REMEMBER THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU WANT SOME KIND OF CONTENT THAT WAS GOING TO BE CREATED BUT WAS NOT AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHO IS CRYING AND MAYBE YOU WILL APPRECIATE OUR OPINIONS THEN!!!!!!!!! Dang it all!

 

[paulhobbs]

If this policy of theirs is working so well, why havent we seen some minor things that could be improved easily, such as adding a doppler effect to sounds, more pre-installed motive power instead of relentlesly re-skinned SD40-2s and GP38-2s?

Auran don't do content, content creators do.

I am just saying that it all comes down to the fact that times are hard and if they dont do something that will coordinate with us, the customers and our wallets, then they are going to lose alot of "us".

So where are 'we' going to go then? There is no other railway (as opposed to a train) simulator.

If you want to charge more for something, make it better. The download speeds suck and two snails having relations would probably go faster to be honest.

Working fine here and going like a rocket.

Also, you cant use FCTs by the day. Thats like booking a hotel room for 3 nights and only staying there for 1.

If I don't use the FCT for two days that's 12 cents down the drain - that's ok by me.

Also, lets be honest, why arent those content creators who made most of the stuff getting a cut? That is just wrong. It's like me making a new video game, giving it to someone to promote and boost morale, then he decides to make a profit off of it and I get nothing when it was created by me.

Because that's what they agreed to when they uploaded the stuff to the DLS. Does nobody else find it strange that it's people who've never uploaded anything get all upset about this and content creators couldn't care less (at least this one couldn't).

Paul

 

[RubeTube]

Auran don't do content, content creators do.
So where are 'we' going to go then? There is no other railway (as opposed to a train) simulator.

Working fine here and going like a rocket.
If I don't use the FCT for two days that's 12 cents down the drain - that's ok by me.

Because that's what they agreed to when they uploaded the stuff to the DLS. Does nobody else find it strange that it's people who've never uploaded anything get all upset about this and content creators couldn't care less (at least this one couldn't).

Paul

Excuse me sir, but this is my TRS06 only account. I have contributed to the TRS community in TRS04. I have done routes before. They are now discontinued and no more releases will be coming out due to this non-sense. So, don't say that I have never contirbuted when you don't know me. Everyone has a different computer and different connection. These things I say are things that many other people have pointed out as well. Many people say that DL speeds do suck and that there are alot of content generators that have discontinued their content or switched to payware. So just because you are having no issues and can afford to do this stuff, doesnt mean that everyone else has it fine and dandy as well.

 

[NSWGR_46Class]

Is this were I point out that there is in fact no a problem with the DLS at all.

There does seem to be an issue over bandwidth to the server and people are having issues getting a connection. Years ago Auran came up with a fix what we as a trainz community at that time all through was a neat idea.

Those who wanted to put there money where there mouth was could pay for a high speed service to the DLS and those who did not got to share the access with all the other.


here ended the history lession

 

[paulhobbs]

QED

 

[Deano5]

For goodness sakes Paul, get off that soap box. I've come to expect a little more from you over the years and you should know better. :wave:
Guys, I'm sure nothing much has changed over the years, every year I buy my ticket and one week it works, the next it don't, I just wait until it works again while reading the same moans about it year in year out.
That's the world of Trainz for you, but would we really have it any other way? hmm

 

[wholbr]

Hi Everybody.

Excuse me sir, but this is my TRS06 only account. I have contributed to the TRS community in TRS04. I have done routes before. They are now discontinued and no more releases will be coming out due to this non-sense. So, don't say that I have never contirbuted when you don't know me. Everyone has a different computer and different connection. These things I say are things that many other people have pointed out as well. Many people say that DL speeds do suck and that there are alot of content generators that have discontinued their content or switched to payware. So just because you are having no issues and can afford to do this stuff, doesnt mean that everyone else has it fine and dandy as well.

RubeTube thank you for your contribution to the debate. However, you say you contributed in 2006. That stated do you really think that Auran/NV3 can really continue to exist on the money you and others paid them that was contributed over five years ago. Of course not.

As I have stated several times in this thread Aurran are a commercial company with its first responsibilities being to its investors and shareholders ( if they are a public company). That said it's business plan will be driven by the best path to the greatest profit they can make as a return to the investors.

Therefore it would go without saying that the greatest return would come from those who buy the most recent versions, contribute to those versions and buy FCTs on top of the above.

it is all about profit, note the word P.R.O.F.I.T. It is what all commercial enterprises survive by and what keeps trainz alive for us as a hobby today and will into the future providing that profit is maintained.

Auran//NV3 are not a charitable institution providing for the weakest. Tough that may be, but unfortunately it is the truth in these days of making quick profits means survival

Bill
NB:- As an afterthought, there seems to be no shortage of content for 2010 now that much of the earlier versions content has been upgraded.

 

[builder300544]

Hi Paul,

Searching for RudeTube will get you more than you bargained for.

Cheers, John

 

[mezzoprezzo]

QED

Yup - big FAIL there Paul.

Try searching again using the right name!

Guess that must have been an easy mistake to make - force of habit eh?

Casper

 

[RubeTube]

Yup - big FAIL there Paul.

Try searching again using the right name!

Guess that must have been an easy mistake to make - force of habit eh?

Casper

Even so, he will not find anything. I never said that it was on the DLS. My content was never on the DLS, but on my own website which has been shut down for a while now, since I have not been making any routes for a while and also because I have more things to tend to in life now and won't be able to keep making assets. I was going to consider reopening my site, but decided against it. Most of the routes that I did make relied on alot of content found on the DLS, which is a big reason that this concerned me. My private route "NS Piedmont Division V1" is the route that I have been working on most recently, but due to this "issue" it will not ever be completed. Also, Paul, no need to be a smarty pants. Not to be rude and no hard feelings to anyone. I have a case of the "Life has been sucking epically and I have been taking it out on others" disease lol. For that, I do apologize. Anyhow, as I can see where Auran and NV3 are coming from, there are still some improvements to be made in my eyes. If my financial position gets any better, I will re-open my website and begin route building again. Until that time, I am sticking with what I have. Thanks all.

 

[zatovisualworks]

RudeTube

Yes, dear John.

:hehe: Subconscious is a treacherous weapon... :hehe:

But every cloud has a silver -put it golden or oil if you like- lining...

Please, let's keep the good civil mood as of late... until that lovely Kiwi we all know wakes up and spoils the broth... :hehe:

The broth-cooking side of Alberte :wave:

Afternote: Why did I have to say anything? :hehe: Lovely indeed! ↓

 

[OverlordNZ]

(big snip of major sewage)
SO YOU JUST REMEMBER THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU WANT SOME KIND OF CONTENT THAT WAS GOING TO BE CREATED BUT WAS NOT AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHO IS CRYING AND MAYBE YOU WILL APPRECIATE OUR OPINIONS THEN!!!!!!!!! Dang it all!

1.) I HAVE a lifetime FCT so whine to someone else
2.) I DID CONTENT and its creation was terminated because WHINERS like you..And if I want content I WILL CREATE IT MYSELF!...(Since you are so fond of yelling)

Bye.. Ignore list for you!!