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[2995Valliant]

Not wishing to belittle anyone involved in the ECML project, but given that the route is a built-in, surely rights have passed to NEV?

I believe this sim faces a bleak future if this trend continues. One of the best things about Trainz is its open architecture and the fact that you can modify assets. That to me is a big part of what makes it a hobby rather than a game.

Here's someone who has spent a lot of time for his own enjoyment and just wants to show to fellow Trainzers what he has achieved - not by illegally sharing anything or making false claims about his own work - and that now has to be controlled? Come on! What's next? Will we be banned from creating sessions for routes we haven't created ourselves?

If someone can explain to me exactly what harm this is doing, the please do because I can't see it and I'd love to hear the other view. In the meantime, if I were Stuart I'd be recruiting the OP!

Regards,

Anthony

 

[sleek]

great shots all a 125 fuelling up at heaton depot for the long journey from newcastle to kings cross

 

[Joe_T]

Not wishing to belittle anyone involved in the ECML project, but given that the route is a built-in, surely rights have passed to NEV?

I believe this sim faces a bleak future if this trend continues. One of the best things about Trainz is it's open architecture and the fact that you can modify assets. That to me is a big part of what makes it a hobby rather than game.

Here's someone spent a lot of time for his own enjoyment and just wants to show to fellow Trainzers what he has achieved - not by illegally sharing anything or making false claims about his own work - and that now has to be controlled? Come on! What's next? Will we be banned from creating sessions for routes we haven't created ourselves?

If someone can explain to me exactly what harm this is doing, the please do because I can't see it and I'd love to hear the other view. In the meantime, if I were Stuart I'd be recruiting the OP!

Regards,

Anthony

I agree with Anthony I understood Builtin content could be altered for your own use and uploaded to the DLS but as with Anthony I am willing to be proved wrong.

 

[peterwise]

That is certainly the way it seems to have worked for "British Midlands".

Peter.

I agree with Anthony I understood Builtin content could be altered for your own use and uploaded to the DLS but as with Anthony I am willing to be proved wrong.

 

[clam1952]

Better see this post by Zec http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?97901-Route-release-help&p=1101106#post1101106 looks like that would apply in this case?

 

[Kennilworth]

Hi

I must say that I agree with Anthony's sentiments here. A few months ago Lielestosbrat showed a few screenshots of what appeared to be a really well done modified King's Cross loco yard and King's Cross shed in steam days and I don't recall anyone saying that he had to have permission to show them at that time. If something is well done then I can't see the problem as the screenshots may just be the thing that encourages someone having a quick look through the forum to get involved with Trainz. It was looking through the screenshot thread that got me interested in Trainz five years ago.

Things could get really complicated here as well. I have added the section of route between Selby and Gilberdyke to the ECML. If I wanted to show a screenshot of this section would I need permission as it is now part of the ECML which has had to be saved under my kuid? If I wanted to show a shot of Doncaster would I need to get permission, again because the route has been changed although not in the Doncaster area? I think that we need a big sprinkle of common sense on all this.

As Anthony says I will be interested to hear the other side of the discussion in due course.

Regards

Brian

 

[uracco]

A shed load from me + great screenies everyone

 

[tmz06003]

Hi

I must say that I agree with Anthony's sentiments here. A few months ago Lielestosbrat showed a few screenshots of what appeared to be a really well done modified King's Cross loco yard and King's Cross shed in steam days and I don't recall anyone saying that he had to have permission to show them at that time. If something is well done then I can't see the problem as the screenshots may just be the thing that encourages someone having a quick look through the forum to get involved with Trainz. It was looking through the screenshot thread that got me interested in Trainz five years ago.

Things could get really complicated here as well. I have added the section of route between Selby and Gilberdyke to the ECML. If I wanted to show a screenshot of this section would I need permission as it is now part of the ECML which has had to be saved under my kuid? If I wanted to show a shot of Doncaster would I need to get permission, again because the route has been changed although not in the Doncaster area? I think that we need a big sprinkle of common sense on all this.

As Anthony says I will be interested to hear the other side of the discussion in due course.

Regards

Brian

Jeez- all I said is pm Stuart first as there have been problems in the past then I get an earbashing with folk inferring I'm outright banning everything!!!

There are all sorts of license agreements involving ECML with N3V, Stuart knows exactly what they are so he can give the correct guidance.

Lielestosbrat IS THE MEMBER I'm referring to which is why there's no problem with what he's doing.

 

[Paulsw2]

I join this discussion (tentatively!) - I'd understood, and fully accepted, the rule that reskins cannot be redistributed without permission from the original creator. This seems very fair to me. However, I've also heard the view that you cannot post screenshots of any route that includes modified assets unless you have permission. This is a very onerous requirement which I've tried to respect, but it has inhibited my posting of screenshots. While I would never redistribute an asset without the express permission of the creator, to not be able to post screenshots even when you have no intention of redistributing a modified asset is quite draconian. If we have a digital commons with the Download Station, can there not be some leaway with the posting of screenshots? It's a bit of a minefield!

Paul

 

[tmz06003]

Not wishing to belittle anyone involved in the ECML project, but given that the route is a built-in, surely rights have passed to NEV?

I believe this sim faces a bleak future if this trend continues. One of the best things about Trainz is its open architecture and the fact that you can modify assets. That to me is a big part of what makes it a hobby rather than a game.

Here's someone who has spent a lot of time for his own enjoyment and just wants to show to fellow Trainzers what he has achieved - not by illegally sharing anything or making false claims about his own work - and that now has to be controlled? Come on! What's next? Will we be banned from creating sessions for routes we haven't created ourselves?

If someone can explain to me exactly what harm this is doing, the please do because I can't see it and I'd love to hear the other view. In the meantime, if I were Stuart I'd be recruiting the OP!

Regards,

Anthony

That's not what I said at all, I was pointing someone in the right direction for appropriate guidance and get a stack of replies that blow everything out of proportion and twist my initial post- come on what's next, you edit my post and replace it with whatever you like?

 

[4ndylloyd]

, can there not be some leaway with the posting of screenshots? It's a bit of a minefield!

Paul

Paul, I agree entirely. I too fully respect the wishes of an asset's author and have tracked down previous creators and 're-skinners' before making a further reskin of a locomotive to upload to the DLS but that fact that we are expected not to post screenies of a re-worked asset without permission does seem a little harsh and clarity on the 'rights and wrongs' of this would, I am sure, be welcome by all.

I will throw in a screenshot to keep the theme of the thread going.....no re-worked assets in here I dont think

Regards, Andy

 

[4ndylloyd]

How about another screenshot since this is a screenshot thread

 

[Victorian]

Helloooo

No third and 4th rails here yet

 

[Trainlevel2]

I love that first screenshot so much Victorian.
And everyone else great Job as always
Eric

 

[tmz06003]

Doesn't matter who we agree with here, the point is all I've done is correctly directed someone to check with someone who does know for everyone's benefit. I've not dictated either way, I've just pointed someone in the right direction. The answer may well be yes, I don't know that but I know a man who does.

As I've already said Lielestosbrat is one of our team which I'll point out defeats your arguement completely.

What I can't understand is how my posts are continually mis-represented and twisted, probably because no-one has bothered to read back to what I actually posted and instead jumped on the chance to 'have a go' which is getting worryingly more prevalent in these forums.

In my time of working with others if in doubt I always err on the safe side and sought permissions before doing anything, I've reskinned countless assets and rebuilt routes all with appropriate permission and I'm disgusted after having spent lots of time tracking down obscure creators in my own time and to the unselfish benefit of others that these actions are completely belittled by others.

For the benefit of new users we should all be pointing them in the right direction and getting the right advice from those that really know instead of posting what we think is right.

Instead of moaning about the fact you've done all this work and it may be abortive, do as I've suggested and check first then you'll know, that's what I do and it's resulted in route reworks enjoyed by others.

Hi

I must say that I agree with Anthony's sentiments here. A few months ago Lielestosbrat showed a few screenshots of what appeared to be a really well done modified King's Cross loco yard and King's Cross shed in steam days and I don't recall anyone saying that he had to have permission to show them at that time. If something is well done then I can't see the problem as the screenshots may just be the thing that encourages someone having a quick look through the forum to get involved with Trainz. It was looking through the screenshot thread that got me interested in Trainz five years ago.

Things could get really complicated here as well. I have added the section of route between Selby and Gilberdyke to the ECML. If I wanted to show a screenshot of this section would I need permission as it is now part of the ECML which has had to be saved under my kuid? If I wanted to show a shot of Doncaster would I need to get permission, again because the route has been changed although not in the Doncaster area? I think that we need a big sprinkle of common sense on all this.

As Anthony says I will be interested to hear the other side of the discussion in due course.

Regards

Brian

 

[stationmistress]

 

[Victorian]

Teehee all these arguements on here make me giggle.
And as I'm actually someone who can understand the title of the thread, here's a picture.

 

[napierdeltic]

Jeez- all I said is pm Stuart first as there have been problems in the past then I get an earbashing with folk inferring I'm outright banning everything!!!

There are all sorts of license agreements involving ECML with N3V, Stuart knows exactly what they are so he can give the correct guidance.

Lielestosbrat IS THE MEMBER I'm referring to which is why there's no problem with what he's doing.

There is no problem in posting ECML shots or mods of the original route here but you cannot release the route in any shape or form.

I am interested in doing two further versions of the route in steam and modern era. Most of the team are burnt out now, some not worked on the project for over 5 years plus but still part of the team of course. I would be very interested in others joining to do these two extra versions or even to add to the present route like the Selby – Gilberdyke section. All research towards the route is paid out of our own pockets

Cheers
Stuart

ECML Project Leader

 

[2995Valliant]

Tony - this is what you said, unedited: "let him know what you are doing before posting any other screenshots as I'm not sure what the score is with these."

I read that as implying that the OP likely needed permission to post screenshots of his modified version of the ECML. If I have misunderstood that I apologise, unreservedly.

It turns out (happily) that it is not the case and at no point did I say you were responsible for any such policy - merely that if it existed, then it was a sad state of affairs. Given your close association and excellent contributions to the ECML project, you were likely to know what the policy was.

I'm sorry we seem to have fallen out over it.

To everyone else, I'll post some screenies soon to make amends - this is a relevant discussion though as it very much affects what can or can't be posted here.

Regards,

Anthony

 

[nathanmallard]

Wow, nice shunter stationmistress. How did you get it from Sketchup to a loco in Trainz though? I have a few things I have made in Sketchup I would like to have as functional locos, but never mangaged to do it.