We can be patient Tume, especially when we see the quality of work you do! Most important, stay healthy with the vaccines and the cross-fit! Health and family and friends (and job) come first! I may have some more pictures of the Doris, Washington area for you, as I am still scanning family photos. I had to change my email because Cableone (now Sparklite) dropped email, so now I am gmail. Of course, that side of things MAYBE comes after Montana. You did not mention going all the way to Harlowtown, which was your desire at one time. That is a huge undertaking, so are you still planning to make it all the way there?
TUME’s Simulation of “The Milwaukee Road”
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Hello and thank you all for your compliments!
Here comes some screenshots from the point which propably will be the eastern end of the route. In my plan for now every baseboard behind the green line at the second screenshot will be deleted. Of course Frenchtown would be a nice place to decorate as well, but it would not really make a great different for a route called Alberton-Avery. Well, there used to be some sidings to a gravel pit near to Frenchtown which would allow a nice switch-session where MILW switchers would need to pick up some cars filled with gravel in order to move it to Alberton. Unfortunately the terrian arround Frenchtown requires far more baseboards to be decorated as the route includes already. The mountains arround Frenchtown are quite far away and so we would see the "End of the Word" from there while looking south, west and north. Also I could not find out if this sidings at the gravel pit used to be electrified as well. In the other hand to do the switching coult be a nice job for my MILW-GP9`s which I would need to refurbish to get better textures and season change onto it.
But anyway, if I will stick on the plan not to include Frenchtown into the route, there will be just about 48 baseboards to be decorated at that corner of the route.
How to extend the route to? That is still a good question. To the east to Harlowton or to the west to Tacoma. Both would be a bulk of work. Both would be a very nice challange as both sections contains very interesting landscapes to be decorated. For example I would like to decorate the MILW line alongside Sixteen Mile Creek between Maudlow and Lombard, MT but also I would like to dekorate the phantastic looking landscape beside Rock Lake between Malden and Marengo, WA. But considering that I also like the Saddle-Mountain-Section quite a lot and as it must be nice to see a MILW train running along Hauser Way in Renton, WA, I feel a bit more dedicated to go for the west extention in a future time
Your's TUME
Here comes some screenshots from the point which propably will be the eastern end of the route. In my plan for now every baseboard behind the green line at the second screenshot will be deleted. Of course Frenchtown would be a nice place to decorate as well, but it would not really make a great different for a route called Alberton-Avery. Well, there used to be some sidings to a gravel pit near to Frenchtown which would allow a nice switch-session where MILW switchers would need to pick up some cars filled with gravel in order to move it to Alberton. Unfortunately the terrian arround Frenchtown requires far more baseboards to be decorated as the route includes already. The mountains arround Frenchtown are quite far away and so we would see the "End of the Word" from there while looking south, west and north. Also I could not find out if this sidings at the gravel pit used to be electrified as well. In the other hand to do the switching coult be a nice job for my MILW-GP9`s which I would need to refurbish to get better textures and season change onto it.
But anyway, if I will stick on the plan not to include Frenchtown into the route, there will be just about 48 baseboards to be decorated at that corner of the route.
How to extend the route to? That is still a good question. To the east to Harlowton or to the west to Tacoma. Both would be a bulk of work. Both would be a very nice challange as both sections contains very interesting landscapes to be decorated. For example I would like to decorate the MILW line alongside Sixteen Mile Creek between Maudlow and Lombard, MT but also I would like to dekorate the phantastic looking landscape beside Rock Lake between Malden and Marengo, WA. But considering that I also like the Saddle-Mountain-Section quite a lot and as it must be nice to see a MILW train running along Hauser Way in Renton, WA, I feel a bit more dedicated to go for the west extention in a future time
Your's TUME
Ultimately Tume, do what satisfies you the most, and we are going to be overjoyed with whatever you decide. You need to do this for yourself, or it gets to be a job instead of a passion. You have done a phenomenal amount of high-quality work for just one human. Best of luck in your decisions my friend!
Tume, here's my opinion on whether or not the gravel pit should be electrified:
Think back to the steam era, did they have a steam locomotive to run from Alberton to the gravel pit to serve it? No! That would require its own servicing facilities, turntable, roundhouse, etc. along with the servicing facilities for the electrics. However, by the time that diesels came along, they could have used diesels for local freight trains on the line between Avery and Harlowton and had removed the catenary on sidings to industries to save money, requiring the use of diesels on locals. I believe that by the time your route is set, the catenary is removed from the gravel pit, and diesels are used to serve the gravel pit.
Think back to the steam era, did they have a steam locomotive to run from Alberton to the gravel pit to serve it? No! That would require its own servicing facilities, turntable, roundhouse, etc. along with the servicing facilities for the electrics. However, by the time that diesels came along, they could have used diesels for local freight trains on the line between Avery and Harlowton and had removed the catenary on sidings to industries to save money, requiring the use of diesels on locals. I believe that by the time your route is set, the catenary is removed from the gravel pit, and diesels are used to serve the gravel pit.
RHKluckhohn
Active member
The Milwaukee Railroader, 1st quarter 2008, page 31, has a half-page, half tone print of a July 11, 1973 aerial photo of the Frenchtown Pit. As best I can make out with help from a magnifier, at that date there may have been catenary along the north loading track, but there don't appear to be any poles coming off the main, so I would guess those are an electric utility line. They do, however, extend as far as the reload pile. I see no poles whatever along the track into the pit -- in fact, that track appears to extend only as far as the south side of the reload pile. The area of the two switches seem to lack catenary poles for the spurs.
This area was worked out of Missoula, not Alberton. Steam was replaced by diesel in 1954, according to the article, and the Frenchtown pit was disused after 1975 when ballast production moved to the Bonner area.
:B~)
This area was worked out of Missoula, not Alberton. Steam was replaced by diesel in 1954, according to the article, and the Frenchtown pit was disused after 1975 when ballast production moved to the Bonner area.
:B~)
Hi Tume
i found some photos while looking on the internet and the Milwaukee road did have some electrics in the Missoula division between th 1910s and 1972 when the catenary was scrapped and the line ran into more and more difficulties but on the western end they still had electrics
some screens
this photo was in Missoula Montana in the 70s
here's when the catenary was abandoned
here's the old Missoula train station which is now a restaurant
here's some photos of it in the early 70s with electric lines, catenary wires & telegraph poles in the background along with a little joe
here's a large screenshot of the old station with catenary wires in the mid 70s
and finally here's a old bi-polar with some catenary and transmission lines in Missoula Montana unknown date
hope that hopes with your knowledge for if you want to add the catenary the substation or not
well have a great time and most of all have fun working with your street cars
best wishes
- Matthew
i found some photos while looking on the internet and the Milwaukee road did have some electrics in the Missoula division between th 1910s and 1972 when the catenary was scrapped and the line ran into more and more difficulties but on the western end they still had electrics
some screens
this photo was in Missoula Montana in the 70s
here's when the catenary was abandoned
here's the old Missoula train station which is now a restaurant
here's some photos of it in the early 70s with electric lines, catenary wires & telegraph poles in the background along with a little joe
here's a large screenshot of the old station with catenary wires in the mid 70s
and finally here's a old bi-polar with some catenary and transmission lines in Missoula Montana unknown date
hope that hopes with your knowledge for if you want to add the catenary the substation or not
well have a great time and most of all have fun working with your street cars
best wishes
- Matthew
Hallo to all of you for your nice compliments and your help!
@ RHKluckhohn:
Do you see any chance to send me these pictures you found at The Milwaukee Railroader, 1st quarter 2008, page 31, from the Frenchtown Grave Pit? That would ne great! If they operated that gravel pit until 1975, it would fit well into the timeperiode my route it set up to. I searched for Frenchtown pictures in the internet but all I found was the NP depot building - which would be important as well of course when I would go for Frenchtown.
(e-mail: tume.tume@web.de)
@ jordon412:
Well actually they had fully steam loco maintenance at Alberton, MT! Originally the whole town was found therefore. As far as I know it was prevously named Browntown, but it has been renamed for Albert J. Earling, president of the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad. The steam maintenace including shed and turntable ended within the electrification just like at many other places (e.g. Roland). Only the water tank remained - and its foundation still remains today.
Alberton used to be a crew changing point for the transcontinental trains. Therefore they could have operated local freights between the gravel pit at Frenchtown to Alberton to couple the gravel cars onto a transcon train to move it to elswhere.
But in the other hand RHKluckhohn wrote that the area at Frenchtown used to be worked out to Missoula not Alberton.
Therefore a gravel car session between the Frenchtown gravel pit and Alberton would probably be fictional. But who knows perhaps there used to be an unordinary gravel transport to Alberton on a day long ago ...
@ mogburn:
Thank you for your pictures from the MILW.
Your's TUME
@ RHKluckhohn:
Do you see any chance to send me these pictures you found at The Milwaukee Railroader, 1st quarter 2008, page 31, from the Frenchtown Grave Pit? That would ne great! If they operated that gravel pit until 1975, it would fit well into the timeperiode my route it set up to. I searched for Frenchtown pictures in the internet but all I found was the NP depot building - which would be important as well of course when I would go for Frenchtown.
(e-mail: tume.tume@web.de)
@ jordon412:
Well actually they had fully steam loco maintenance at Alberton, MT! Originally the whole town was found therefore. As far as I know it was prevously named Browntown, but it has been renamed for Albert J. Earling, president of the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad. The steam maintenace including shed and turntable ended within the electrification just like at many other places (e.g. Roland). Only the water tank remained - and its foundation still remains today.
Alberton used to be a crew changing point for the transcontinental trains. Therefore they could have operated local freights between the gravel pit at Frenchtown to Alberton to couple the gravel cars onto a transcon train to move it to elswhere.
But in the other hand RHKluckhohn wrote that the area at Frenchtown used to be worked out to Missoula not Alberton.
Therefore a gravel car session between the Frenchtown gravel pit and Alberton would probably be fictional. But who knows perhaps there used to be an unordinary gravel transport to Alberton on a day long ago ...
@ mogburn:
Thank you for your pictures from the MILW.
Your's TUME
Tume, have you taken a look at Pweiser's Milwaukee Road content? He's done the EP-2 in early and late versions and the ES-2 switcher. Please note that these come in a .zip file that when you extract it, it becomes a .7zip file, which needs its own program to extract it. Once you extract the .7zip file it becomes a .cdp file. For the EP-2, he's got the body in three sections, a front hood, a rear hood, and a center section. I think if you two worked together, you could create a seasonal version of the ES-2 for the next version of Avery-Alberton. Website: https://jatwsorg.mywhc.ca/PWeiser/#MR
Hello,
I just found two pictures of the Frenchtown gravel pit taken in 1957 at "The Ron V. Nixon Collection"
Link:
https://arc.lib.montana.edu/mor/rvndb/
Choose "by Location" at the list to the left side - then click onto "Frenchtown, MT". There you will find the two MILW pictures from the gravel pit among a lot of NP pictures.
It seems that the loading sidings did not have any trolley wires. Also there used to be just one single digger to load all the gravel cars. To create a trainz industrie for loading such a train digger shovel by digger shovel would probably end up in quite spare time killing session
https://arc.lib.montana.edu/mor/rvndb/rvn_location_jpeg_rec.php?objno=RVN21375
https://arc.lib.montana.edu/mor/rvndb/rvn_location_jpeg_rec.php?objno=RVN21376
@ jordon412:
Thank you for the Link to PWeisr's page. He really did a great job creating all these electrics! Yes, I could ask him about the possibilitie to create a seasonal version from his ES-2. Or perhaps he wants to create a seasonal version by himself one day. Years ago (season change was not available in trainz back then) I created a ES-2 as well. You can see this ES-2 in a video at my YouTube Channel - its called "Requiem". But I never released my ES-2. Thats because the ES-2s have only been used between Butte and Deer Lodge, MT - as far as I know. I really have no information of an ES-2 making it up to Alberton or further west.
Your's TUME
I just found two pictures of the Frenchtown gravel pit taken in 1957 at "The Ron V. Nixon Collection"
Link:
https://arc.lib.montana.edu/mor/rvndb/
Choose "by Location" at the list to the left side - then click onto "Frenchtown, MT". There you will find the two MILW pictures from the gravel pit among a lot of NP pictures.
It seems that the loading sidings did not have any trolley wires. Also there used to be just one single digger to load all the gravel cars. To create a trainz industrie for loading such a train digger shovel by digger shovel would probably end up in quite spare time killing session
https://arc.lib.montana.edu/mor/rvndb/rvn_location_jpeg_rec.php?objno=RVN21375
https://arc.lib.montana.edu/mor/rvndb/rvn_location_jpeg_rec.php?objno=RVN21376
@ jordon412:
Thank you for the Link to PWeisr's page. He really did a great job creating all these electrics! Yes, I could ask him about the possibilitie to create a seasonal version from his ES-2. Or perhaps he wants to create a seasonal version by himself one day. Years ago (season change was not available in trainz back then) I created a ES-2 as well. You can see this ES-2 in a video at my YouTube Channel - its called "Requiem". But I never released my ES-2. Thats because the ES-2s have only been used between Butte and Deer Lodge, MT - as far as I know. I really have no information of an ES-2 making it up to Alberton or further west.
Your's TUME
RHKluckhohn
Active member
As to the two pictures you located, ...175 is the north, longer spur. The poles in the aerial photo do not appear in this one. ...176 is the center or south spur, taken from the south. We see the ballast pile behind the cars and the drainage sump in the foreground. Those are good quality photos.
As to the aerial photo, the Milwaukee Railroad Association store still has copies of the magazine available at $10 each, but there are only four left.
https://www.mrha.com/store/category.aspx?Category=52&Name=2008+-+4+Issues+Available
If you do not want to spend the money I am willing to scan that image and send it to you, but I can't guarantee the quality after half-toning and scanning. Or I can send it to you and if it's not satisfactory you can still get a copy of the magazine. Let me know here or by PM.
As to how the pit was served, I was probably mistaken in ascribing it to Missoula, but it was likely not regularly served from any particular terminal. It provided ballast for most of the Rocky Mountain division, so there would be a special job to haul ballast to where the work was being done.
:B~)
As to the aerial photo, the Milwaukee Railroad Association store still has copies of the magazine available at $10 each, but there are only four left.
https://www.mrha.com/store/category.aspx?Category=52&Name=2008+-+4+Issues+Available
If you do not want to spend the money I am willing to scan that image and send it to you, but I can't guarantee the quality after half-toning and scanning. Or I can send it to you and if it's not satisfactory you can still get a copy of the magazine. Let me know here or by PM.
As to how the pit was served, I was probably mistaken in ascribing it to Missoula, but it was likely not regularly served from any particular terminal. It provided ballast for most of the Rocky Mountain division, so there would be a special job to haul ballast to where the work was being done.
:B~)
@ RHKluckhohn:
Hello, and thanks for your information! In addition to this I am thinking about going for the magazine.
Thank you also for the information that the gravel used to be shipped not in direction to Missoula only.
@all:
Yes, there used to be trolley wire poles only at the first 200 meters alongside the railspur from the main track towards the pit. I measured this in Google-Maps and that was easy with the help of the foto.
And this makes a lot of sense to me. Trolley wires above cars to be loaded from top is quite impossible. But an electric could have pushed the cars from the mainline into the pit rail spur. This would have brought the cars into the loading position beside the pit and the digger can shovel the gravel into the cars, while the engine itself remains under the trolley wires. Perhaps some empty cars (not necessarily gravel cars) between the electric and the gravel cars could have been used to push the gravel cars further back into the loading yard.
From a PENTREX-Video I know there have been a boxcab electric at Alberton dong the switching work over there. I gues that this boxcab also have been used to operate local freights between Alberton and Missoula.
I think the transcon freight brought cars destinated for the local area between Alberton and Missoula (e.g. the big wood plant at Schilling, MT) to Alberton where the transcons needed to stop for crew change. In difference to Missoula the MILW had a lot of sidings at Alberton (as far as I know the MILW did not have a large switching yard at Missoula). At Alberton the cars for the region bekame decoulped from the transcon and the local boxcab probably toke over these cars in order to bring it to its final destination in the region.
Well - after all this new informtion for me the Frenchtown-Basedoards seems to be worth to be kept at the route in order to get it decorated as well. As the river created a lot of special terrain containing old and new river meanders, decoration will be quite a challenge and will need a bit more time.
But such a gravel car session could be a nice one including some challenges. The train needs to be stopped befor the boxcab reaches the end of the trolley wires at the first 200 meters alongside the pit spure. Car by car will have to be loaded by the digger, which could be a challenge for peoples patiencie
Besides, I also need to create the gravel loading zone in gmax by using my static seasonal Northwest-Excavator which I will therefore have to improve by adding the necessary movements for the gravel car loading process.
Again thank you all for your help in this matter so I could make a qualified decision here
Your's TUME
Hello, and thanks for your information! In addition to this I am thinking about going for the magazine.
Thank you also for the information that the gravel used to be shipped not in direction to Missoula only.
@all:
Yes, there used to be trolley wire poles only at the first 200 meters alongside the railspur from the main track towards the pit. I measured this in Google-Maps and that was easy with the help of the foto.
And this makes a lot of sense to me. Trolley wires above cars to be loaded from top is quite impossible. But an electric could have pushed the cars from the mainline into the pit rail spur. This would have brought the cars into the loading position beside the pit and the digger can shovel the gravel into the cars, while the engine itself remains under the trolley wires. Perhaps some empty cars (not necessarily gravel cars) between the electric and the gravel cars could have been used to push the gravel cars further back into the loading yard.
From a PENTREX-Video I know there have been a boxcab electric at Alberton dong the switching work over there. I gues that this boxcab also have been used to operate local freights between Alberton and Missoula.
I think the transcon freight brought cars destinated for the local area between Alberton and Missoula (e.g. the big wood plant at Schilling, MT) to Alberton where the transcons needed to stop for crew change. In difference to Missoula the MILW had a lot of sidings at Alberton (as far as I know the MILW did not have a large switching yard at Missoula). At Alberton the cars for the region bekame decoulped from the transcon and the local boxcab probably toke over these cars in order to bring it to its final destination in the region.
Well - after all this new informtion for me the Frenchtown-Basedoards seems to be worth to be kept at the route in order to get it decorated as well. As the river created a lot of special terrain containing old and new river meanders, decoration will be quite a challenge and will need a bit more time.
But such a gravel car session could be a nice one including some challenges. The train needs to be stopped befor the boxcab reaches the end of the trolley wires at the first 200 meters alongside the pit spure. Car by car will have to be loaded by the digger, which could be a challenge for peoples patiencie
Besides, I also need to create the gravel loading zone in gmax by using my static seasonal Northwest-Excavator which I will therefore have to improve by adding the necessary movements for the gravel car loading process.
Again thank you all for your help in this matter so I could make a qualified decision here
Your's TUME
RHKluckhohn
Active member
Hi, Tume.
After I sent you the scan from the magazine I sharpened it in Paint Shop and it became clear that yes, there was catenary on the north spur as you describe and it would be used as you have said. (We call those intervening cars a "handle.") I still did not see any catenary on the center spur -- there could have been one or two spans past the switch -- but being a shorter spur, not as much would be needed.
For someone as interested in the Milwaukee as you, a membership in the MRHA might be worthwhile. Probably a third of their magazines include articles on some aspect of the Western Extension.
Oh, and thank you for all the Milwaukee trackside assets you've made available. I use them a lot. Have you ever figured out why your GP9s don't respond to the "3" or "A" keys?
:B~)
After I sent you the scan from the magazine I sharpened it in Paint Shop and it became clear that yes, there was catenary on the north spur as you describe and it would be used as you have said. (We call those intervening cars a "handle.") I still did not see any catenary on the center spur -- there could have been one or two spans past the switch -- but being a shorter spur, not as much would be needed.
For someone as interested in the Milwaukee as you, a membership in the MRHA might be worthwhile. Probably a third of their magazines include articles on some aspect of the Western Extension.
Oh, and thank you for all the Milwaukee trackside assets you've made available. I use them a lot. Have you ever figured out why your GP9s don't respond to the "3" or "A" keys?
:B~)
@ RHKluckhohn:
Hello - you have really done a good job about that picture! I also investigated the pit track configuration at the USGS Topo Map from 1959. The mainline, sidings and the spur tracks at the USGS Topo Map and on you picture really seems to be identical.
At your picture I even regognized some poles not far away from the middle spure and the conclusion of spann wires seems to be reasonable. But also from my point of view the picture also indicates that the middle spur does not continue further toward the pit anymore. Of course the grade of it can be clearly ssen, but I gues the main part of the middle spur has been taken away bevor the picture had been taken. This goes hand in hand with the indication of rail spurs in the USGS Topo Map as it is only the first part of the middle pit spur (more less a stump) indicated over there as well.
About my GP9s - well, as I need to import it into T:ANE just to see what happens. So I need to answer you question later on.
Yes a membership of MRHA would probably make sense - especially for future plans of route extensions.
But bevor I will go that step, I need to get some kind of collaboration in asset conten creation organised.
I wrote it bevore, it will be impossible to work at further route extensions and at the creation of special buildings and structures such as individual looking school and court houses, depot buildings, sheds and special looking bridges and so on in gmax or even blender.
Unfortunately the DLS provides justa very small number of seasonal content and just nothing I would need for the planed route extensions. But this topic is something I need to get back to it later also.
Your's TUME
Hello - you have really done a good job about that picture! I also investigated the pit track configuration at the USGS Topo Map from 1959. The mainline, sidings and the spur tracks at the USGS Topo Map and on you picture really seems to be identical.
At your picture I even regognized some poles not far away from the middle spure and the conclusion of spann wires seems to be reasonable. But also from my point of view the picture also indicates that the middle spur does not continue further toward the pit anymore. Of course the grade of it can be clearly ssen, but I gues the main part of the middle spur has been taken away bevor the picture had been taken. This goes hand in hand with the indication of rail spurs in the USGS Topo Map as it is only the first part of the middle pit spur (more less a stump) indicated over there as well.
About my GP9s - well, as I need to import it into T:ANE just to see what happens. So I need to answer you question later on.
Yes a membership of MRHA would probably make sense - especially for future plans of route extensions.
But bevor I will go that step, I need to get some kind of collaboration in asset conten creation organised.
I wrote it bevore, it will be impossible to work at further route extensions and at the creation of special buildings and structures such as individual looking school and court houses, depot buildings, sheds and special looking bridges and so on in gmax or even blender.
Unfortunately the DLS provides justa very small number of seasonal content and just nothing I would need for the planed route extensions. But this topic is something I need to get back to it later also.
Your's TUME
Tume, this is something I've thought of:
The tracks at the gravel pit don't have catenary where the cars are loaded. Could the Milwaukee Road have used idler cars between the locomotive and the cars being loaded at the gravel pit to reach the loading area similar to how railroads use idler cars (normally flatcars) to load and unload car floats, as the car float and the dock that the ferry docks to cannot hold the weight of the locomotive?
The tracks at the gravel pit don't have catenary where the cars are loaded. Could the Milwaukee Road have used idler cars between the locomotive and the cars being loaded at the gravel pit to reach the loading area similar to how railroads use idler cars (normally flatcars) to load and unload car floats, as the car float and the dock that the ferry docks to cannot hold the weight of the locomotive?
Hello - yes, you are right as well!
As you can read it in the posts above this has been descussed with RHKluckhohn yesterday. But it is always helpful to know that people comes to the same conclusions as that makes this conclusion more likely
Your's TUME
Hello - yes, you are right as well!
As you can read it in the posts above this has been descussed with RHKluckhohn yesterday. But it is always helpful to know that people comes to the same conclusions as that makes this conclusion more likely
Your's TUME
I would suspect that if idler cars were used, they would be kept nearby on a little-used siding near the gravel pit or in Alberton. I don't think that a local would carry the idler cars with it the whole trip. Or the local, if it had enough cars, could use the cars in its train as idler cars.
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Hello,
the screenshot indicates the Frenchtown Gravel Pit looking west with some hoppers and my static Northwest Excavator which will of course has to be a dragline. The boxcab and the "handle" cars (flatcars) can be seen in the background. The boxcab itself is located quite close to the end of the trolley wire.
I found some nice videos how Northwest Draglines works.
Some links for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg2GdgJcrpA&t=192s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHI95kbTEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXZgnydUXxg
Based on my static Northwest Excavator I will create an animated Northwest Dragline for the "Frenchtown Gravel Pit" project. The aim is to create an animated industry-asset which will load open hopper cars.
I see the largest problem that all the industrie assets I found or which I created by myself loads all cars been positioned inside the radius of the attached trigger point (e.g. out_load0) at once. Of course that trigger raduis could be set to a low value. Then just only one car yould be loaded at the loading position and the locomotive would need to push the train car by car forward until all cars have been loaded.
Unfortunately this is not what once had been done at the Frenchtown Gravel Pit. They needed to move all the cars into the pot siding at once to get the mainline cleared. After that the dragline digger started loading the first car by digging shovel by shovel of gravel from the pit into the first car. Than the digger moved to the next car and started loading that car again by digging shovel by shovel of gravel from the pit into the second car.
I think I will be able to get the animation for the dragline digger done which is needed to load one hopper car. Lets say the animation should include up to five times to get with the shovel into the pit to move the shovel over the car and to empty it into the hopper.
But than the digger needs to move to the next hopper doing the same over there. At the moment I dont have any idea how the required script needs to be to get such a loading process organized.
So if you have any ideas, you are very welcome to share it
@ jordon412:
That sounds reasonable. Actually there was a second siding in the pit called middle spur in the posts above. Also that middle spur used to be electrified at its beginning. So they could have used that spur to store the idler cars - or like RHKluckhohn has called it "the handles".
Your's TUME
the screenshot indicates the Frenchtown Gravel Pit looking west with some hoppers and my static Northwest Excavator which will of course has to be a dragline. The boxcab and the "handle" cars (flatcars) can be seen in the background. The boxcab itself is located quite close to the end of the trolley wire.
I found some nice videos how Northwest Draglines works.
Some links for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg2GdgJcrpA&t=192s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHI95kbTEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXZgnydUXxg
Based on my static Northwest Excavator I will create an animated Northwest Dragline for the "Frenchtown Gravel Pit" project. The aim is to create an animated industry-asset which will load open hopper cars.
I see the largest problem that all the industrie assets I found or which I created by myself loads all cars been positioned inside the radius of the attached trigger point (e.g. out_load0) at once. Of course that trigger raduis could be set to a low value. Then just only one car yould be loaded at the loading position and the locomotive would need to push the train car by car forward until all cars have been loaded.
Unfortunately this is not what once had been done at the Frenchtown Gravel Pit. They needed to move all the cars into the pot siding at once to get the mainline cleared. After that the dragline digger started loading the first car by digging shovel by shovel of gravel from the pit into the first car. Than the digger moved to the next car and started loading that car again by digging shovel by shovel of gravel from the pit into the second car.
I think I will be able to get the animation for the dragline digger done which is needed to load one hopper car. Lets say the animation should include up to five times to get with the shovel into the pit to move the shovel over the car and to empty it into the hopper.
But than the digger needs to move to the next hopper doing the same over there. At the moment I dont have any idea how the required script needs to be to get such a loading process organized.
So if you have any ideas, you are very welcome to share it
@ jordon412:
That sounds reasonable. Actually there was a second siding in the pit called middle spur in the posts above. Also that middle spur used to be electrified at its beginning. So they could have used that spur to store the idler cars - or like RHKluckhohn has called it "the handles".
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RHKluckhohn
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Weren't there some LARS industries that would load one or a few cars in a consist at a time? I seem to recall setting up a container transload facility using one of those, back in TRZ 2009....
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Hello,
today I could get something done in gmax. It's been quite a long time ago that I have done some animation stuff in gmax.
Therefore the "Frenchtown Gravel Pit Subproject" is just the right thing at the right time to pevent the gmax knowledge from passing away
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today I could get something done in gmax. It's been quite a long time ago that I have done some animation stuff in gmax.
Therefore the "Frenchtown Gravel Pit Subproject" is just the right thing at the right time to pevent the gmax knowledge from passing away
Your's TUME
RHKluckhohn
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Really, really nice.
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