misterchugg
Active member
hi andy
i'll bite
whats an ssd?
and how does it work?
thanks
ron
i'll bite
whats an ssd?
and how does it work?
thanks
ron
TS2010 constant freezing in surveyor?
- Thread starter sniper297
- Start date
I get this a lot, if I fly ahead on the The East Coast Mainline Route in Driver in Trainz 2010, everything dissapears, sometimes after doing this, after a while it loads back up, and sometimes it doesn't even load the scenery, all I end up with is sky all around, and I have to go back to the engine, to get the scenery back, if I keep doing this, trainz has a fit and then shuts down with the following message...
"trainz has encountered an error and is forced to close, memory cannot be written"
I think it is because I am still using Windows XP,
I am looking to upgrade to a better system in the new year, hopefully, then I might complete the East Coast Mainline.
Joe Airtime
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Hi Ron - sorry mate, SSD = Solid State Drive, a type of hard drive with no mechanical moving parts. A fair bit more expensive than a conventional hard drive but they are silent and offer lightning fast data access. I have my Operating System (gone back to XP) on one SSD and TS10 on another. Trainz loads very quickly, the menus are absolutely instant in Surveyor, though I have honestly not noticed a huge difference in Driver. Surveyor is my 'thing' though, so I am happy...
Andy
Hello everybody,
Here are my desktop pc specifications
System Information
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Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3
Language: English (Regional Setting: Dutch)
System Manufacturer: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD
System Model: MS-7519
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66GHz (4 CPUs)
Memory: 3072MB RAM
Page File: 589MB used, 4400MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTS 250
Display Memory: 1024.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
HD = Seagate 1TB barracuda 7200
Powersupply = corsair cx600 ( = 600 watt )
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I will install trainz 2010 on HD Seagate Barracuda 500 GB with OS windows 7 and see if I have the same issue.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
Core 2 quad, 3 gigs RAM, GTS250 - so much for the claim that exceeding recommended specs will cure the problem. 
Just had another of those track or splines suddenly deciding to be a fixed object, can only be deleted with the static object tool and there goes all the turntables again. I must have replaced the turntables in this route 50 times over the last six months, gets to the point where I no longer have any enthusiasm for route building and go off to play a game that actually works for a few days. Also gave up submitting help desk tickets to report bugs, buy a better computer and move on to TS12 so you can deal with new and improved bugs.
Just had another of those track or splines suddenly deciding to be a fixed object, can only be deleted with the static object tool and there goes all the turntables again. I must have replaced the turntables in this route 50 times over the last six months, gets to the point where I no longer have any enthusiasm for route building and go off to play a game that actually works for a few days. Also gave up submitting help desk tickets to report bugs, buy a better computer and move on to TS12 so you can deal with new and improved bugs.Anything bigger than 2024 in XP won't get used, but setting page file to max in XP helps Trainz a lot...
Retro00064
New member
Since we are talking about the page file size here, may I ask a question?
It seems that sometimes Trainz gets mad at me and crashes (perhaps I am stuffing too many SpeedTrees down its throat?
). No error report dialog, just crashes right to the desktop with the "Trainz has stopped working", etc., message.
My computer is set to the default setting of automatically managing the page file size, as the below dialog screenshot shows.
Would manually setting the page file size to something decently large help with the occasional crashing? If so, what would be good settings to set it to?
My laptop's specifications are in my signature.
Thanks!
---Retro.
It seems that sometimes Trainz gets mad at me and crashes (perhaps I am stuffing too many SpeedTrees down its throat?
). No error report dialog, just crashes right to the desktop with the "Trainz has stopped working", etc., message.My computer is set to the default setting of automatically managing the page file size, as the below dialog screenshot shows.
Would manually setting the page file size to something decently large help with the occasional crashing? If so, what would be good settings to set it to?
My laptop's specifications are in my signature.
Thanks!
---Retro.
If XP won't let you use a larger page file, you may be stuck. Do you know anyone who could install an OEM version of WIN7 on a partion for you? Your HD is certainly large enough.
tomurban
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Hello everybody,
I installed Win 7 64 bit on a HD Seagate Barracuda 500 gb.
Difference with memory and videocard and Direct X using Win 7 - 64 bit are shown below
Memory: 6144MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 6144MB RAM
Page File: 1128MB used, 11156MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTS 250
Display Memory: 3817 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1001 MB
Shared Memory: 2815 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HDMI
I installed trainz 2010 upto build 44088 and copied my backup ( complete 2010 directory ( folder and subfolders ) into the Auran folder.
Started 2010 and all was available.
Now, do I still have the problem with Trainz freezing in Surveyor-mode?
Yes, Trainz occasionally tries to freez ( duration approx. less dan 2 seconds ) , when I'm doing the same actions as written in my earlier reply to this thread, but I cannot verify what process tries to counterattack this action due to the fact that I cannot have taskmanager visible upon my trainz screen.
By using Trainz 2010 in win 7 - 64bit I noticed another thing.
On nov 4th 2011, I created this thread http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=81226
I retried everything, by starting trainz 2010 immediately. Placed a object and saved the route. Re-opened the route and the object was still available.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
"Do you know anyone who could install an OEM version of WIN7 on a partion for you?"
Two problems, one I don't have the money for win 7, second win7 uses a lot more memory just for the OS than XP does - for anyone to actually benefit from win7 they would need at least 4 gigs of RAM. Again the solution always boils down to throw more money at the problem and hope for the best. And looking at the latest post by belgian46 I still suspect some kind of software conflict is actually responsible. One example is .NET Framework 2.0, some video games require that installed to run at all - TS2010 is one of those games that will not run at all unless .NET Framework 2.0 is installed in XP. Could one of the earlier or later versions of .NET Framework be the problem? Dunno, needs more testing.
Two problems, one I don't have the money for win 7, second win7 uses a lot more memory just for the OS than XP does - for anyone to actually benefit from win7 they would need at least 4 gigs of RAM. Again the solution always boils down to throw more money at the problem and hope for the best. And looking at the latest post by belgian46 I still suspect some kind of software conflict is actually responsible. One example is .NET Framework 2.0, some video games require that installed to run at all - TS2010 is one of those games that will not run at all unless .NET Framework 2.0 is installed in XP. Could one of the earlier or later versions of .NET Framework be the problem? Dunno, needs more testing.
Hello Sniper297,
In Xp - I have following versions of .NET Framework installed.
1.1, 2.0 , 3.0 and 3.5
In Win 7 you will find a service called
Microsoft .NET Framework NGEN v2.0 50727_x64
and a service called
Microsoft .NET Framework NGEN v2.0 50727_x86
In my case both are not started at this time
I can play Trainz09,10 and MSTS
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
One of the interesting things I discovered recently is that some old static objects can also cause big pauses. In one section of my rather large route, I had constant stutters. The frame rates went from 40 - 59 down to the single digits!
The problem was an overly-built building asset. The Victorian Orphanage to be exact. After a long process of elimination, I discovered the object. I deleted everything from roads to old industry objects. Finally I found the culprit, and this made my day.
I have to admit though this did give me a chance to renovate the area. I was somewhat annoyed by the appearance, and I used this opportunity to update the region.
John
The problem was an overly-built building asset. The Victorian Orphanage to be exact. After a long process of elimination, I discovered the object. I deleted everything from roads to old industry objects. Finally I found the culprit, and this made my day.
I have to admit though this did give me a chance to renovate the area. I was somewhat annoyed by the appearance, and I used this opportunity to update the region.
John
Hello John,
As I am just starting the construction of my first route, would you mind answering this question?
Old static objects can cause big pauses. Where these static objects available in trainz09 and trainz10 or did you import ( import content or cdp's ) these objects ( made for trs2006, 2004 or older )?
At this time I'm busy with different harbours along the track and I must say it's not that easy for me to change the realistic view into a rectangular view ( due to limitations of the paste rotation tool ( 90 ,180,270,360 degrees only ). That's why I asked the helpdesk if this could be changed into a every 5 degrees option via service pack or within next trainz version ( answer not yet received ).
It would also be very handy if some tool would exist that marks the errorcreating object within your route.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
"In my case both are not started at this time
I can play Trainz09,10 and MSTS"
Try uninstalling .NET Framework 2.0 and see if TS2010 will still run. It won't.
As for assets causing problems, I've been told to use this;
Options, Developer Settings, Show performance stats in Surveyor.
Great, what does all that gibberish mean? The theory is that it shows the KUID number of the worst performing asset in that area, and any buffer count over 100 is bad. I've never seen a buffer count over 30, so if that's the straight dope I must not have any bad assets. Would be nice if there was a way to read the poly counts on all the assets used without having to open one at a time in explorer to view with PEV mesh viewer, and also a filter to sort by mesh poly count, but nothing like that exists AFAIK.
I can play Trainz09,10 and MSTS"
Try uninstalling .NET Framework 2.0 and see if TS2010 will still run. It won't.
As for assets causing problems, I've been told to use this;
Options, Developer Settings, Show performance stats in Surveyor.
Great, what does all that gibberish mean? The theory is that it shows the KUID number of the worst performing asset in that area, and any buffer count over 100 is bad. I've never seen a buffer count over 30, so if that's the straight dope I must not have any bad assets. Would be nice if there was a way to read the poly counts on all the assets used without having to open one at a time in explorer to view with PEV mesh viewer, and also a filter to sort by mesh poly count, but nothing like that exists AFAIK.
Hello Sniper297,
Thank you for the info about the show performance stats.
I already started the feature within trainz2010.
What are your surveyor settings?
Here are mine
On my pc using Win 7 I have no version of .NET framework installed.
In computermanagment there are 2 non-started services related to .net framework.
But I can play Trainz 2009,2010 and MSTS.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
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Hello Malc,
Thank you for your information. Now I'm learning Trainz and Win 7 :hehe:
Best regards
Kurt:wave:
Hello John,
As I am just starting the construction of my first route, would you mind answering this question?
Old static objects can cause big pauses. Where these static objects available in trainz09 and trainz10 or did you import ( import content or cdp's ) these objects ( made for trs2006, 2004 or older )?
At this time I'm busy with different harbours along the track and I must say it's not that easy for me to change the realistic view into a rectangular view ( due to limitations of the paste rotation tool ( 90 ,180,270,360 degrees only ). That's why I asked the helpdesk if this could be changed into a every 5 degrees option via service pack or within next trainz version ( answer not yet received ).
It would also be very handy if some tool would exist that marks the errorcreating object within your route.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
Hi Kurt,
The objects were probably downloaded off the DLS and installed into previous versions then "carried" along into TS12. My route is about 6 years old with many renovations along the way. (The old harpsichord builders such as Blanchet or Pascal Taskin called this a grand ravelment). This particular area was recently renovated, but not that part of the town was. The old building may have dated back to TRS2004 or earlier. This is really something to watch for though, as I've learned. I still have other sections to seek out for this issue.
Now getting back to your pasting issue. This is the nature of the beast unfortunately, and many people have asked for better copy and paste handling than the 4 points on the compass. We've also asked about better shapes too, and sadly this has been ignored, or perhaps the developers are pondering, but no one has gotten back to us on it.
John