I've just purchased Trainz 2009 and patched to latest 38285. Compared to TRS2006 I am very dissapointed. It keeps on crashing, nearly every time I use it. I get dreadful texture bleeding, especially with objects using tranparencies, trees, fences, ect. Most of my content, eg. the EPBs are bleeding through the transparencies, AWFUL! I get NONE of these problems with TRS2006. NOT happy at all, wasted my money!:'( Its back to TRS2006!
TRS2009 Very dissapointed!
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illinoiscentral
SARM Volunteer
Well, add your complaint. If you search tyhe forums...there are many other threads just like yours. TRS2006 is the version I run, I'm happy with it, yeah, they improved the SD40's but shoot, if you go to a third party website you can get an even better one there. Most of the stuff on the DLS is for 04 so I never bought 09, need I list any more reasons?
Hmmm, yes you are right. You will doubtless be told that the content incompatability problems were well documented before release, and you should have read about it and done your research before you purchased. "Let the buyer beware" and all that. Then you will be told the content creators are still working on making 2009 content prior to the next release and you should wait before passing judgement. Then you will be told 2009 is far and away the best and brightest version of Trainz bar none.
So if you expect a product to be finished when it is offered for sale, and expect it to work properly and not contain any faults, then you are probably not the Trainz target audience.
So if you expect a product to be finished when it is offered for sale, and expect it to work properly and not contain any faults, then you are probably not the Trainz target audience.
illinoiscentral
SARM Volunteer
Well said Euphod.
OverlordNZ
Grumpy Old Bastar*
If you treat TS2009WBE as TRS2600 or 4 you WILL be disappointed. There is a reason its called the "World Builder Edition".
IMHO it is mainly a platform for content creators (CC's) to get dug in, if you are going to build full-on routes like 2006 you should wait for the Enginners Edition (or for a large amount of CC's to update to 'TS2009 Native Mode')
Euphod's pretty much right, you should have looked at the 100's of posts here stating what 2009 is for and what it is not for (despite the marketing blurb)
Cheers
IMHO it is mainly a platform for content creators (CC's) to get dug in, if you are going to build full-on routes like 2006 you should wait for the Enginners Edition (or for a large amount of CC's to update to 'TS2009 Native Mode')
Euphod's pretty much right, you should have looked at the 100's of posts here stating what 2009 is for and what it is not for (despite the marketing blurb)
Cheers
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treblesum81
New member
I may be new to this forum, and to Trainz in general, but I kinda get the feeling that there is just a little animosity towards people who want to just want to enjoy driving (or running) trains and might not know all the ins and outs of the program and all of its versions, or who have chosen to go with TRS2009 because we see buying out of date items as being fundamentally illogical.
Personally, all I want is to be able to get into a nice looking digital train, and drive it through a well made environment. Unfortunately, that's been a somewhat complicated process as of yet, though I'm willing to stick with it until I figure it out... if that means I have to build all of my own layouts and sessions, so be it, but I'll still stick with it. If on the other hand, the community steps up and starts to put together a good deal of pre-made content for me to enjoy, so much the better, though I've noticed that a good portion of this community seems to be resistant to the upgrade so far...
On a side note, the term "buyer beware" has no business applying to a form of entertainment, used cars and old houses, sure, but not a game. Not that I expect someone to put out a 100% working product from day one (I come from a flight simulator background and not seen a single "working" first release... ever, though SP1, SP2, or SP10 usually fixes everything), but I really think that if we like what we see, it should be what we get. Today is the first that I've heard that there will be more than one version of this program, and I'm a little peeved about it. Sure I can use this one to create nice layouts, but if there is one geared towards building full on routes, does that mean I'll have to buy the game again to get that functionality? What about if there is another version again after that? I could understand if there were major expansion packs, but I really think that all of us should get the same base functionality, maybe not out of the box, but at least as part of our original purchase.
I've been looking for full-on long routes since I've come to these forums, imagine what my reaction would be if I'm told in 3-4 months that I can't even really build them for myself unless I drop another $30-$40 on the next edition...
Just my 2c,
Greg
Personally, all I want is to be able to get into a nice looking digital train, and drive it through a well made environment. Unfortunately, that's been a somewhat complicated process as of yet, though I'm willing to stick with it until I figure it out... if that means I have to build all of my own layouts and sessions, so be it, but I'll still stick with it. If on the other hand, the community steps up and starts to put together a good deal of pre-made content for me to enjoy, so much the better, though I've noticed that a good portion of this community seems to be resistant to the upgrade so far...
On a side note, the term "buyer beware" has no business applying to a form of entertainment, used cars and old houses, sure, but not a game. Not that I expect someone to put out a 100% working product from day one (I come from a flight simulator background and not seen a single "working" first release... ever, though SP1, SP2, or SP10 usually fixes everything), but I really think that if we like what we see, it should be what we get. Today is the first that I've heard that there will be more than one version of this program, and I'm a little peeved about it. Sure I can use this one to create nice layouts, but if there is one geared towards building full on routes, does that mean I'll have to buy the game again to get that functionality? What about if there is another version again after that? I could understand if there were major expansion packs, but I really think that all of us should get the same base functionality, maybe not out of the box, but at least as part of our original purchase.
I've been looking for full-on long routes since I've come to these forums, imagine what my reaction would be if I'm told in 3-4 months that I can't even really build them for myself unless I drop another $30-$40 on the next edition...
Just my 2c,
Greg
hi treblesum81
as I understand it the EE vershion will have built in routes that have all new content ie: TRS2009 compatible content, and as sutch sould run flawlesly.
but it won't have surveyor so you won't be able to modify or build new.
thats where the World Builder vershion comes in.
they are suposed to work in harmony with each other,
just like CT1&2,and CT3, did. 
:hehe:
as I understand it the EE vershion will have built in routes that have all new content ie: TRS2009 compatible content, and as sutch sould run flawlesly.
but it won't have surveyor so you won't be able to modify or build new.
thats where the World Builder vershion comes in.
they are suposed to work in harmony with each other,
just like CT1&2,and CT3, did.
:hehe:Wow, I am amazed. You said you were waiting for your new software to arrive.
But, I see they must have sent you a very future release of Trainz.
TRS2600, now you certainly are a good Beta tester. Does your version need a Pentium 10 to run?
Pete :hehe:
OverlordNZ
Grumpy Old Bastar*
I will be looking for your spelling and grammar mistakes in the future.
:wave:Yes, they finally shipped it 3 weeks after I paid for it
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Cactushead
New member
TRS 2004 the best yet.
IMHO of course. I've never had any problems with it, and now I have a brand new HP Pavilion with an nVidia 9600 graphics card that came with it, TRS2004 runs even better. So, for what it's worth (probably not much:hehe: ), I'm sticking with my beloved 04 version.
Dano
ps. Actually there is one problem. That's getting someone to build a futuristic train set for me.
IMHO of course. I've never had any problems with it, and now I have a brand new HP Pavilion with an nVidia 9600 graphics card that came with it, TRS2004 runs even better. So, for what it's worth (probably not much:hehe: ), I'm sticking with my beloved 04 version.
Dano
ps. Actually there is one problem. That's getting someone to build a futuristic train set for me.
treblesum81
New member
hi treblesum81
as I understand it the EE vershion will have built in routes that have all new content ie: TRS2009 compatible content, and as sutch sould run flawlesly.
but it won't have surveyor so you won't be able to modify or build new.
thats where the World Builder vershion comes in.
they are suposed to work in harmony with each other,
just like CT1&2,and CT3, did.
Phew, I'm glad thats been cleared up, as I would have been not so happy, had the reverse been true.
Greg
American_Connections
AC MonkeyWrench Models
Mirrors don't lie!
Best look into yer own first. Remember-when ya point a finger at someone, three are lookin back at ya! Is to be fun here, not a school!I will be looking for your spelling and grammar mistakes in the future.
Yes, they finally shipped it 3 weeks after I paid for it
OverlordNZ
Grumpy Old Bastar*
I'm really glad I don't take things as serious as you, maybe you should go back and re-read these posts in the spirit they were intended.
Cheers
Yeah, well, that's where the "buyer beware" part comes in...I think the thing is with Auran, if they get everything right in one version, then they will no longer have any reason to market new versions!
Dinorius_Redundicus
kuid 68213
..I think the thing is with Auran, if they get everything right in one version, then they will no longer have any reason to market new versions!
They must be cursing the day they got TRS2004/SP4 out the door then! I (and a few others) haven't had cause to "upgrade" to another version ever since! Their strategy now seems to be to gradually disable all the systems that the old versions used, judging by the difficulty in uploading new assets to the DLS lately....
Or maybe it's just that they haven't had to do any major changes to the DLS till now, and it is still aving teething troubles because of it????
99.99% of old content still works in 09, so please, don't say it won't work. I ran TS09 at a model railway exhibition. Only had to restart Trainz twice over the three days, and it turned out the problem was being caused by my graphics card overheating!.
Zec
99.99% of old content still works in 09, so please, don't say it won't work. I ran TS09 at a model railway exhibition. Only had to restart Trainz twice over the three days, and it turned out the problem was being caused by my graphics card overheating!.
Zec
Certainly not the TS2009WBE audience.
But for people who want to drive trains and make layouts, TRS2004 sells for a quarter of the price (in Britain), works extremely reliably, has a highly reliable content management system that is easy to understand and doesn't constantly need de-corrupting, has thousands of compatible assets available, has working sound, has full scenario creation and operation options and best of all runs Razorback activities
John
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treblesum81
New member
Yeah, well, that's where the "buyer beware" part comes in...I think the thing is with Auran, if they get everything right in one version, then they will no longer have any reason to market new versions!
Perhaps, but we're talking about the difference between successive versions (UTC, 2004, TC1-3, 2006, 2009, etc) and differing incarnations of the same version. Though it appears I may have lucked out, I'm pretty sure that there will be more than a few people who buy the EE and find out later that they'll need to go back and buy the WBE if they want to start contributing to the community. Now, unless Auran plans to sell the Surveyor functionality as an add-on, it not only doubles the price for those who might someday wish to contribute back, but also then discourages those people from making content someday, thereby lessening the overall variety of available downloads.
Again, its only my opinion, and I don't have any say in how Auran does business, but I think in the long run, they'd be better off just skipping the EE altogether and just selling the WBE now that its out, and then let the customers decide what to add into their client. That way there is less confusion and no one gets to find out that they can't add their own creations to the community...
American_Connections
AC MonkeyWrench Models
NP
OK, I did not see your humor. Been so much crap directed toward my errors by bullwinkes, guess I just get abit defensive! I sure ain't always correct, I know that. and this dude everyone has been talkin bout set a pace ya know! As for your comments about Auran, they did me a goody too, I no longer have assets on the DLS and really don't need as I have better control of updates and improvements through it and the feedback for the users, than everyday changes made by Auran for the DLS. Even I have a limit to the data transfer per day, it the right stuff, not a mix of other people's assets set in there as dependencies. And seems a few other things got included too that were not meant to be there, from which I have learned to be better at cleaning files before sending. by the way, I got a warning for a banner half the size of yours, seems as the law is not the same for everyone, even one of the mods has a banner well over the limit they set for others. but then who said life is always fair! Truse...