livingsteam
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Wait what?
So why are
So why are
TRS 22PE C&O Hinton Division missing Sessions, other paid DLC missing
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livingsteam
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Ok didn't realize I posted that partial post sorry!
I was asking, if this is true, why is my TRS 22 PE from Steam trying to download the folders, not the tzarc files?
Anyway I have a pitiful answer from N3V support.
There are saying "works on my machine" and like you all, blaming my virus checker, network connection, how busy my cpu is, etc.
THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE, THEIR CLAIMS FALL APART GIVEN THE NEXT PIECE OF INFORMATION
A user kindly sent me all the files I need to download. I installed them manually.
And I still get the installation error.
So it's not a network/download error.
I just want a refund on the C&O route at this point I give up.
Sorry but many people here and at N3V support don't understand how wrong "it works on my machine" is, I know it feels good to say it and blame someone's env, but it's the easy way out.
Real computer science people look past the easy answers and dig in. I've done tons of troubleshooting, the only network error is the choice of Eastern European 3rd rate hosting.
I don't think the guy at Trainz support is much of a computer scientist, or maybe he's just too busy and one customer's problem doesn't really matter that much.
So OK guys, go ahead and tell me it's my network.
I was asking, if this is true, why is my TRS 22 PE from Steam trying to download the folders, not the tzarc files?
Anyway I have a pitiful answer from N3V support.
There are saying "works on my machine" and like you all, blaming my virus checker, network connection, how busy my cpu is, etc.
THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE, THEIR CLAIMS FALL APART GIVEN THE NEXT PIECE OF INFORMATION
A user kindly sent me all the files I need to download. I installed them manually.
And I still get the installation error.
So it's not a network/download error.
I just want a refund on the C&O route at this point I give up.
Sorry but many people here and at N3V support don't understand how wrong "it works on my machine" is, I know it feels good to say it and blame someone's env, but it's the easy way out.
Real computer science people look past the easy answers and dig in. I've done tons of troubleshooting, the only network error is the choice of Eastern European 3rd rate hosting.
I don't think the guy at Trainz support is much of a computer scientist, or maybe he's just too busy and one customer's problem doesn't really matter that much.
So OK guys, go ahead and tell me it's my network.
livingsteam
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sorry someday I'll get the ability to edit.
Someone please tell me how I can be downloading and uploading files up to 10-12GB on a regular basis as part of my job, and when I check the checksums the files are always perfect. And I've never had a corrupted VM download regardless of whether I checked the Checksums.
Everything else on my computer is fine. I also upload large files to YouTube, multiple gigabytes, no problem never an error.
I'm on Google Fiber not some fly by night ISP like N3V uses to serve up their files LOL from Eastern Europe.
So someone please explain why Trainz is so special that it alone breaks in my env when many other tools work just fine.
And please explain WHY ON EARTH N3V support would tell me to run Trainz as admin??? That's just silly, if the app needs admin permissions, it's a security threat and no one should run it ever that way.
And just for fun, I did launch it as admin, and had the same error.
Thanks
Someone please tell me how I can be downloading and uploading files up to 10-12GB on a regular basis as part of my job, and when I check the checksums the files are always perfect. And I've never had a corrupted VM download regardless of whether I checked the Checksums.
Everything else on my computer is fine. I also upload large files to YouTube, multiple gigabytes, no problem never an error.
I'm on Google Fiber not some fly by night ISP like N3V uses to serve up their files LOL from Eastern Europe.
So someone please explain why Trainz is so special that it alone breaks in my env when many other tools work just fine.
And please explain WHY ON EARTH N3V support would tell me to run Trainz as admin??? That's just silly, if the app needs admin permissions, it's a security threat and no one should run it ever that way.
And just for fun, I did launch it as admin, and had the same error.
Thanks
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livingsteam
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Verify Integrity of Game Files. There is nothing more to suggest:
livingsteam
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Thank you I really do appreciate it!
Of course that passed.
So one thing I don't understand, why is JCitron saying that TRS19 and up doesn't use this directory format, instead providing routes as .tzarc files.
Am I just trying to install a Pre-19 route into 22? and that's what's breaking?
I wonder if that's the problem all along.
But it works for you so what JCitron said must be wrong, I guess.
Of course that passed.
So one thing I don't understand, why is JCitron saying that TRS19 and up doesn't use this directory format, instead providing routes as .tzarc files.
Am I just trying to install a Pre-19 route into 22? and that's what's breaking?
I wonder if that's the problem all along.
But it works for you so what JCitron said must be wrong, I guess.
livingsteam
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Did we never deal with this claim?
If that's true then why am I trying to make this folder/directory structure work? why am I not getting a tzarc file download?
If that's true then why am I trying to make this folder/directory structure work? why am I not getting a tzarc file download?
This explains which version of the game it was created in. And it can work on any version, including TS22.Did we never deal with this claim?
If that's true then why am I trying to make this folder/directory structure work? why am I not getting a tzarc file download?
If you've done everything I've described exactly: https://forums.auran.com/threads/tr...ns-other-paid-dlc-missing.178618/post-2026512
Open the folder: %userprofile%\AppData\Local\N3V Games\trs22
Delete everything from this folder, do not delete only these two files: early-startup-logs and userdata-redirect-map .
After that, run the database recovery.
livingsteam
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Hmmm maybe I'll go read those logs.
I have Trainz Plus, I ran it just now, and the C&O Hinton Division route installs just fine LOL.
So thanks again @oldman777, you've been a great guy here continuing to think about the problem.
PFFFFTTTTTHHHHH!!!!!!!! to all those network naysayers including N3V. Software deployments / DevOps are more complicated than you know.
No broken link on C&O Hinton division.
NO CORRUPTED FILE WARNINGS
The sessions don't show broken links / missing assets either, like they do in 2022PE
The missing assets are there these buildings were missing on the 2022PE version of this route (and that made sense because content manager showed missing assets):
And finally when I look in Content Manager for missing dependencies, there are none.
So sorry if I come off like a dick sometimes but it's very frustrating to repeatedly have "the experts" blame my network AND NOT SUGGEST A WAY TO TROUBLESHOOT IT
It's never too late to learn Wireshark!
And a sincere thanks to those who tried to help, even if you're wrong, I know you have good intentions.
BOTTOM LINE: someone tell me, if my network sucks, my computer is too busy, there's a virus, and whatever random effects we can make up.
How in the heck am I able to install this route perfectly in Trains Plus?
Thanks.
I have Trainz Plus, I ran it just now, and the C&O Hinton Division route installs just fine LOL.
So thanks again @oldman777, you've been a great guy here continuing to think about the problem.
PFFFFTTTTTHHHHH!!!!!!!! to all those network naysayers including N3V. Software deployments / DevOps are more complicated than you know.
No broken link on C&O Hinton division.
NO CORRUPTED FILE WARNINGS
The sessions don't show broken links / missing assets either, like they do in 2022PE
The missing assets are there these buildings were missing on the 2022PE version of this route (and that made sense because content manager showed missing assets):
And finally when I look in Content Manager for missing dependencies, there are none.
So sorry if I come off like a dick sometimes but it's very frustrating to repeatedly have "the experts" blame my network AND NOT SUGGEST A WAY TO TROUBLESHOOT IT
It's never too late to learn Wireshark!
And a sincere thanks to those who tried to help, even if you're wrong, I know you have good intentions.
BOTTOM LINE: someone tell me, if my network sucks, my computer is too busy, there's a virus, and whatever random effects we can make up.
How in the heck am I able to install this route perfectly in Trains Plus?
Thanks.
livingsteam
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and forgive me for the extra post, I'm just gonna brag for a minute or a few here. If you can't stand bragging, don't read this please.
Though I am "approaching advanced age" according to my medical records, I'm a pretty young 56. I grew up in Silicon Valley, had my first computer at age 11 in 1978. Commodore 64, TRS-80, and then I got to high school.
I went to the same high school as Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs, though they were several years older than me.
Thus we had the first donated Apple II computers, we actually had a wooden-case prototype Apple I.
I started with UNIX back in the 90s with AIX, Solaris, HP-UX and Apollo, if you call that UNIX. I traveled constantly to customers to put out fires related to the implementation of our software.
We sold a UNIX-based customer support automation package that, back when this was a pretty new thing, I would be out at customers setting up their Windows networks to connect to the UNIX server and run the front-end / client in Windows 3.1 or WFWG 3.11
I remember the days before TCP/IP was integrated into Windows and several competing companies build TCP/IP stack like Netmanage Chameleon. Then WFWG 3.11 came out and everything just worked all of a sudden.
I've worked on site at Goldman Sachs, several top name insurance companies, and a bunch more under the gun from top management to get multi-hundred user systems up and running.
It's probably pointless to mention this, probably no one is reading at this point, but I've got a lifetime of troubleshooting under my belt.
And the one thing I've learned, look for actual clues of what's wrong. Do not just randomly blame the network. Don't make stuff up about how anti-virus works, it does not work silently and even if it did there are logs to check.
It's computer science, not computer magic. If some of you were working on a car, and the car didn't start, some of you would just replace the battery. Then when it still didn't start, you'd replace the starter. Only when that wouldn't work would you look for bad grounds, which is the first thing you should look for.
(Yes I used to work on cars too, at age 16 I was too broke to pay a shop to rebuild my Turbo-350 transmission, so I did it myself.)
Though I am "approaching advanced age" according to my medical records, I'm a pretty young 56. I grew up in Silicon Valley, had my first computer at age 11 in 1978. Commodore 64, TRS-80, and then I got to high school.
I went to the same high school as Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs, though they were several years older than me.
Thus we had the first donated Apple II computers, we actually had a wooden-case prototype Apple I.
I started with UNIX back in the 90s with AIX, Solaris, HP-UX and Apollo, if you call that UNIX. I traveled constantly to customers to put out fires related to the implementation of our software.
We sold a UNIX-based customer support automation package that, back when this was a pretty new thing, I would be out at customers setting up their Windows networks to connect to the UNIX server and run the front-end / client in Windows 3.1 or WFWG 3.11
I remember the days before TCP/IP was integrated into Windows and several competing companies build TCP/IP stack like Netmanage Chameleon. Then WFWG 3.11 came out and everything just worked all of a sudden.
I've worked on site at Goldman Sachs, several top name insurance companies, and a bunch more under the gun from top management to get multi-hundred user systems up and running.
It's probably pointless to mention this, probably no one is reading at this point, but I've got a lifetime of troubleshooting under my belt.
And the one thing I've learned, look for actual clues of what's wrong. Do not just randomly blame the network. Don't make stuff up about how anti-virus works, it does not work silently and even if it did there are logs to check.
It's computer science, not computer magic. If some of you were working on a car, and the car didn't start, some of you would just replace the battery. Then when it still didn't start, you'd replace the starter. Only when that wouldn't work would you look for bad grounds, which is the first thing you should look for.
(Yes I used to work on cars too, at age 16 I was too broke to pay a shop to rebuild my Turbo-350 transmission, so I did it myself.)
livingsteam
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sorry I didn't finish my story: (someday I will get the ability to edit the posts)
Fast forward to today. In addition to my work with clients building websites, doing SEO, managing email deliverability, etc, I work for Georgia Tech.
I'm Faculty/Instructional Assistant (not actually the prof but a MSCS grad Teaching Assistant is called Faculty/IA) for an at scale graduate level course in Information Security.
We have students do various projects such as studying Cryptography, coding machine learning algorithms, hacking websites with malicious SQL, exploiting the world-famous Log4J defect/CVE from late 2021, hacking databases, doing inference attacks on databases, attacking insecure APIs, looking through Wireshark traces (PCAP files) for traces of hacker's activity, decoding. There's encoding, decoding, encryption, Python, Java, SQL, Javascript/HTML forms, malware analysis and binary exploitation.
I deal with 1200 students this semester, you can believe we are diagnosing their network issues all the time.
So I'm not some rube who knows nothing about his computer.
Fast forward to today. In addition to my work with clients building websites, doing SEO, managing email deliverability, etc, I work for Georgia Tech.
I'm Faculty/Instructional Assistant (not actually the prof but a MSCS grad Teaching Assistant is called Faculty/IA) for an at scale graduate level course in Information Security.
We have students do various projects such as studying Cryptography, coding machine learning algorithms, hacking websites with malicious SQL, exploiting the world-famous Log4J defect/CVE from late 2021, hacking databases, doing inference attacks on databases, attacking insecure APIs, looking through Wireshark traces (PCAP files) for traces of hacker's activity, decoding. There's encoding, decoding, encryption, Python, Java, SQL, Javascript/HTML forms, malware analysis and binary exploitation.
I deal with 1200 students this semester, you can believe we are diagnosing their network issues all the time.
So I'm not some rube who knows nothing about his computer.
livingsteam
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And sorry can't edit, I also used to run the graduate-level Computer Networks course at GA Tech, I was head TA there.
So sorry I get frustrated when people make unsupportable claims about my network.
I'll shut up now, a reminder of the actual open question:
Why is the C&O Hinton Route working perfectly in Trains Plus from Steam if my network is so bad that I can't download files without corruption?
Why is the exact same route broken in Trainz2022PE from Steam?
So sorry I get frustrated when people make unsupportable claims about my network.
I'll shut up now, a reminder of the actual open question:
Why is the C&O Hinton Route working perfectly in Trains Plus from Steam if my network is so bad that I can't download files without corruption?
Why is the exact same route broken in Trainz2022PE from Steam?
I can't be completely sure because I don't have Trains Plus.
Just delete Trainz2022PE and leave Trains Plus only. I may be wrong, but I think all your problems are due to the simultaneous installation 2 versions of game at the same time.
And I also noticed that in one of the installed games you are not logged in to your account:
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livingsteam
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I really doubt that multiple Trainz installs causes a problem. Plenty of people on this forum have not only multiple versions but multiple copies of the same version!
Interesting that I'm not logged in but I'm not getting Trainz Plus through Auran/N3V, I have it through Steam, so I would assume the authentication is done through Steam.
Trainz Plus is working fine, not gonna fix what's not broken
If I were going to keep Trainz Plus, maybe I would, but I only bought Trainz Plus for the FCT, really, and to check out Trainz Living Railroad.
But the goal remains to get the TRS 2022 PE install working too, that's my permanent install regardless of whether I pay for Trainz Plus in a given month.
Thanks again for all your help! It's very much appreciated.
Now I was able to go back to N3V and prove to them my network and environment are fine.
Maybe by this time tomorrow I'll be posting their next answer.
Interesting that I'm not logged in but I'm not getting Trainz Plus through Auran/N3V, I have it through Steam, so I would assume the authentication is done through Steam.
Trainz Plus is working fine, not gonna fix what's not broken
If I were going to keep Trainz Plus, maybe I would, but I only bought Trainz Plus for the FCT, really, and to check out Trainz Living Railroad.
But the goal remains to get the TRS 2022 PE install working too, that's my permanent install regardless of whether I pay for Trainz Plus in a given month.
Thanks again for all your help! It's very much appreciated.
Now I was able to go back to N3V and prove to them my network and environment are fine.
Maybe by this time tomorrow I'll be posting their next answer.
There is no authentication via Steam, but only downloading the base game.I really doubt that multiple Trainz installs causes a problem. Plenty of people on this forum have not only multiple versions but multiple copies of the same version!
Interesting that I'm not logged in but I'm not getting Trainz Plus through Auran/N3V, I have it through Steam, so I would assume the authentication is done through Steam.
Trainz Plus is working fine, not gonna fix what's not broken
If I were going to keep Trainz Plus, maybe I would, but I only bought Trainz Plus for the FCT, really, and to check out Trainz Living Railroad.
But the goal remains to get the TRS 2022 PE install working too, that's my permanent install regardless of whether I pay for Trainz Plus in a given month.
Thanks again for all your help! It's very much appreciated.
Now I was able to go back to N3V and prove to them my network and environment are fine.
Maybe by this time tomorrow I'll be posting their next answer.
Authentication is only through the game launcher each Trainz game and Steam has nothing to do with it.
I think it is because you are not logged in to your account that connection errors occur in one of the games when DLC downloading.
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